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AquamarineObama after Sandy Hook. It told me that he genuinely cared about the whole incident and wanted to do something to effect change, even if he didn't ultimately succeed (which wasn't his fault).Quote
Redhotcarpet
Crying on national TV is not suitable for a president.
I'm not sure there was anything anyone could have done to have totally prevented the Las Vegas attack, however. But it could have been made much more difficult, and that's what we should be aiming for.
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lem motlow
Look at the FBI stats on gun violence-Americas inner cities are an ongoing war zone.if you take away the gun murders from them the rest of the country is one of the safest on the planet.
State run media won't tell you that and mentally ill white guys fuel the headlines"crazy rednecks with guns,take em away"i cannot believe people still ger their information from television."make sure you get a camera shot of that blood on the concrete boys"
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buttons67
Bv makes a lot of sense in his statements, i live in scotland and we have people who are so screwed up and will cause violence at various points in their life mostly fulled by drugs and alcohol, but thankfully the vast majority of these people dont have guns, i would hate to think what would happen if they ever did.
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Kurt
I don't think you can simplify this incident with the label of "mental illness."
This shooter was well financed...
Hotel room in the perfect spot for multiple nights...
Tons of weapons and ammo...
More apparently at his home...
Plus chemicals...
AND he wired $100,000 to his girlfriend's family home overseas days before the killing.
More to come...I'm sure.
Brutal. @#$%& brutal.
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keefriff99Ah, there we go: blame the blacks. That's what you want to say, right?Quote
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lem motlow
Look at the FBI stats on gun violence-Americas inner cities are an ongoing war zone.if you take away the gun murders from them the rest of the country is one of the safest on the planet.
State run media won't tell you that and mentally ill white guys fuel the headlines"crazy rednecks with guns,take em away"i cannot believe people still ger their information from television."make sure you get a camera shot of that blood on the concrete boys"
Yes, and there is a true reality disconnect out there in the media. One person calls it "the greatest lie of our generation." It's too hot an issue for here but I hope and pray that it gets resolved one day. This tragic incident should not be used as a vehicle for America bashing. Like I said before, watching the clips from within the crowd itself is devastating, and similar senseless and devastating things are happening every single day in America and although the press minimally reports it, and they are afraid to discuss the root causes.
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The Sicilian
I can't help but think of the brave musician being the first one running off the stage to safety while everyone below was in a firing squad. Maybe grab a mic and help people to exit.
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lem motlow
Look at the FBI stats on gun violence-Americas inner cities are an ongoing war zone.if you take away the gun murders from them the rest of the country is one of the safest on the planet.
State run media won't tell you that and mentally ill white guys fuel the headlines"crazy rednecks with guns,take em away"i cannot believe people still ger their information from television."make sure you get a camera shot of that blood on the concrete boys"
Yes, and there is a true reality disconnect out there in the media. s.
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lem motlow
....uh,no-
People who know nothing about guns think full automatics are legal in Nevada ....
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lem motlow
Look at the FBI stats on gun violence-Americas inner cities are an ongoing war zone.if you take away the gun murders from them the rest of the country is one of the safest on the planet.
State run media won't tell you that and mentally ill white guys fuel the headlines"crazy rednecks with guns,take em away"i cannot believe people still ger their information from television."make sure you get a camera shot of that blood on the concrete boys"
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lem motlow
....uh,no-
People who know nothing about guns think full automatics are legal in Nevada ....
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lem motlow
Look at the FBI stats on gun violence-Americas inner cities are an ongoing war zone.if you take away the gun murders from them the rest of the country is one of the safest on the planet.
State run media won't tell you that and mentally ill white guys fuel the headlines"crazy rednecks with guns,take em away"i cannot believe people still ger their information from television."make sure you get a camera shot of that blood on the concrete boys"
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lem motlow
Look at the FBI stats on gun violence-Americas inner cities are an ongoing war zone.if you take away the gun murders from them the rest of the country is one of the safest on the planet.
State run media won't tell you that and mentally ill white guys fuel the headlines"crazy rednecks with guns,take em away"i cannot believe people still ger their information from television."make sure you get a camera shot of that blood on the concrete boys"
Yes, and there is a true reality disconnect out there in the media. One person calls it "the greatest lie of our generation." It's too hot an issue for here but I hope and pray that it gets resolved one day. This tragic incident should not be used as a vehicle for America bashing. Like I said before, watching the clips from within the crowd itself is devastating, and similar senseless and devastating things are happening every single day in America and although the press minimally reports it, and they are afraid to discuss the root causes.
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keefriff99
The 2nd Amendment, as antiquated and misinterpreted as it is, is enshrined in our Constitution, and isn't going anywhere.
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keefriff99
The 2nd Amendment, as antiquated and misinterpreted as it is, is enshrined in our Constitution, and isn't going anywhere.
There used to be an amendment enshrined in the constitution that banned the sale of alcohol. The country somehow got it's shit together long enough to fix that ridiculous mistake. You'd think it could do something about America's own WMDs.
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keefriff99
The 2nd Amendment, as antiquated and misinterpreted as it is, is enshrined in our Constitution, and isn't going anywhere.
There used to be an amendment enshrined in the constitution that banned the sale of alcohol. The country somehow got it's shit together long enough to fix that ridiculous mistake. You'd think it could do something about America's own WMDs.
I can't resist playing devil's advocate on this one. Guns are clearly a double-edged sword, and so is alcohol:
Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5] 21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.
Drinking too much can harm your health. Excessive alcohol use led to approximately 88,000 deaths and 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) each year in the United States from 2006 – 2010, shortening the lives of those who died by an average of 30 years.1,2 Further, excessive drinking was responsible for 1 in 10 deaths among working-age adults aged 20-64 years. The economic costs of excessive alcohol consumption in 2010 were estimated at $249 billion, or $2.05 a drink.
On this one I am just the messenger, don't shoot me.
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lem motlow
That's interesting Kurt.somebody on this very site told me yesterday that it couldn't be compared to a regular terrorist attack because the guns are so "easily available " a guy like this could just be having a bad day and reek havoc.uh,no-
People who know nothing about guns think full automatics are legal in Nevada because of those rusty old pre-86ers the gun ranges let the tourists shoot full auto is a federal crime 5-10 years in prison for a first offense.this guy was nuts but well financed.maybe our first millionaire psycho killer.
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The Sicilian
I can't help but think of the brave musician being the first one running off the stage to safety while everyone below was in a firing squad. Maybe grab a mic and help people to exit.
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Are you kidding here? Last night a reporter brought up that point and me and my wide were laughing about the absurdity of it. You are one of those hindsight people.
1- You are honestly blaming a guy for trying to get out of the way of bullets whizzing around him.
2- Nobody knew where the bullets were coming from so how would be know what to tell people to do?
3- Why would he assume that he would know better then anyone else about what to do?
4- How would he know that it was just not him that was shot at?
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bv
I will keep this thread open as long as people talk with respect. So far we are doing fine. Thank you
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stonehearted
It's a bit crazy here -- I mean where I live, in the USA. Mostly it's the 24/7 bottom-feeder news/media culture, all corporate owned working everybody up, making us think we live in an abattoir just because of the actions of a few against the many.
You know, there's an album by Simon and Garfunkel (Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme), with a closing track called 7 O'Clock News/Silent Night, where a news report, in that year 1966, is read by a news caster (reader) I recognize, Tom Brokaw, I believe. In that broadcast, it talks of Richard Speck, who murdered nine nurses in one night, not with a gun but a knife. They were stabbed and strangled.
Why do I mention that? I suppose because it seems that the U.S. and the world seemed in a very precarious state at that time: [www.youtube.com]
I should also mention something. I grew up with guns. For many years of my youth (I was born in 1966) I lived in the U.S. state of New Hampshire (1967-1979), which is in the north of New England on the East Coast of the U.S. My father was a collector of guns. I owned a couple guns growing up, a .22 pistol and a .22 rifle. My father (who was born and raised in Canada) liked to hunt deer and pheasant. When he would come back from his multi-day hunting expeditions, we would have plates of venison for dinner.
I never accompanied him on these hunting outings, but we would go to the salt mines nearby and I would get to take target practice with my .22 pistol there. There was a rusty barrel embedded in the ground, and I was able to get a good shot near the center of the bottom of it where it jutted out of the ground, from quite a ways away -- he was quite proud that I was a good, natural shot with a pistol, and I was.
One year (1973; I was seven) we moved to another town in New Hampshire and I took up with a kid in the neighborhood my father didn't like. This kid's father had died early, and the kid was a bit of a bully, and a bit taller and stronger than me. My dad had a den, a room on the second floor of the house, all guns. Pistols, every kind you name it. Rifles, a double-barell shotgun, a replica of a Revolutionary War rifle, even an M-16. And, of course, I had my .22 pistol and rifle, with plenty of ammo if I needed it.
Anyway, this bad-news bully kid got a little out of hand, especially after my father left (my parents divorced in 1976), but there was still that room full of guns upstairs on the second floor.
Finally, to get rid of that kid, you know what happened? A kid down the street who was sympathetic to my plight helped me, taught me how I could fight and overpower that bully that I'd fallen in with, and that was that. For my remaining months in that town, in that neighborhood, after we had that final scrap, I never had to deal with that bully again.
And, you know, it just occurred to me -- there were all those guns in the house, I could have dealt with him so easily and so forcefully without the fight lessons from the helpful kid down the street.
But I never even once thought of it. Know why? Because the guns were never an issue.
Nor was I.
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xke38
Tragic.
No doubt the NRA will come up with some other absurd argument in favour of gun proliferation though.
The gunman used an automatic weapon. A machine gun. They've been totally illegal in the US since 1934.
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MileHigh
Well for point a) organizations like Mothers Against Drunk Driving would take issue with you.
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MileHigh
For point b) gun advocates would argue that saving your family in a home invasion situation would have a social value.
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MileHigh
I am not really taking one side or the other, I am just pointing out how many of these issues are grey areas and one fully polarized opinion is not necessarily "right."
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rbk
The gunman used an automatic weapon. A machine gun. They've been totally illegal in the US since 1934.