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Race relations in America are very complicated to say the least. Things are very screwed because of the historical treatment of blacks. because of that the majority of blacks and many white liberals see racism and racists everywhere. Because of history it is somewhat understandable, especially amongst blacks themselves. I don't know the answer to it. I do know that one thing that has to stop is blacks and liberals accusing people of racism based on hunches or spidey senses. It has turned off others to the claims. I will admit that because of this i know longer take claims of racism seriously and many feel like I do.

In the Michael Bennett case for example ( the same with almost any case ) Michael Bennett claimed as a fact that his treatment was because of his race. now think about that for a minute. How the heck could he know that for a fact. The only one who could know that was the cop who stopped him, yet Bennett made the claim and blacks and liberals treated it like it was a fact. This goes on and on and on. Then blacks and liberal talk about the amount of racism there is and mentions things like that as proof.

This is a thread started about the Vegas shooting so lets talk about that. There is a story out there and the police are looking into it ( so I have read ) that the shooter might have tried this before at an earlier time and at that time I believe it was a rap concert going on. Now if that did happen and this guy killed 50 at a rap concert this country would have exploded. It was have been treated like a fact that the shooter just wanted to kill black people and CNN and MSNBC would be running that angle all day. People like me who would be saying that it's tragic but I don't know if he was a racist would be considered racist and evil for saying that.

Couple things-
First- The country is "going nuts" over the mass murders of Americans- country music fans or whatever. The last "biggest mass gun shooting" was at a gay nightclub where (obviously) gay people were the targets. Same reaction and horror as now (actually this is looking to be much bigger). I'm sure you would have thought us libs would go extra nuts over that based on their sexual orientation. Wrong. It's humans getting slaughtered we're against-turns out.

Second- Using Michael Bennett's example and then stating "the same as in most all cases" is just plain bigoted nonsense. Black people are racially profiled and far too often killed because of it.Period. The fact that you don't take racism seriously along with your circle of friends highlights the problem.

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Race relations in America are very complicated to say the least. Things are very screwed because of the historical treatment of blacks. because of that the majority of blacks and many white liberals see racism and racists everywhere. Because of history it is somewhat understandable, especially amongst blacks themselves. I don't know the answer to it. I do know that one thing that has to stop is blacks and liberals accusing people of racism based on hunches or spidey senses. It has turned off others to the claims. I will admit that because of this i know longer take claims of racism seriously and many feel like I do.

In the Michael Bennett case for example ( the same with almost any case ) Michael Bennett claimed as a fact that his treatment was because of his race. now think about that for a minute. How the heck could he know that for a fact. The only one who could know that was the cop who stopped him, yet Bennett made the claim and blacks and liberals treated it like it was a fact. This goes on and on and on. Then blacks and liberal talk about the amount of racism there is and mentions things like that as proof.

This is a thread started about the Vegas shooting so lets talk about that. There is a story out there and the police are looking into it ( so I have read ) that the shooter might have tried this before at an earlier time and at that time I believe it was a rap concert going on. Now if that did happen and this guy killed 50 at a rap concert this country would have exploded. It was have been treated like a fact that the shooter just wanted to kill black people and CNN and MSNBC would be running that angle all day. People like me who would be saying that it's tragic but I don't know if he was a racist would be considered racist and evil for saying that.

Couple things-
First- The country is "going nuts" over the mass murders of Americans- country music fans or whatever. The last "biggest mass gun shooting" was at a gay nightclub where (obviously) gay people were the targets. Same reaction and horror as now (actually this is looking to be much bigger). I'm sure you would have thought us libs would go extra nuts over that based on their sexual orientation. Wrong. It's humans getting slaughtered we're against-turns out.

Second- Using Michael Bennett's example and then stating "the same as in most all cases" is just plain bigoted nonsense. Black people are racially profiled and far too often killed because of it.Period. The fact that you don't take racism seriously along with your circle of friends highlights the problem.

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Two years later we had a modern-day Nuremberg Rally in Charlottesville and again people tried to dismiss them as isolated nuts, when in reality the white supremacist movement is burgeoning online and growing quickly.

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Two years later we had a modern-day Nuremberg Rally in Charlottesville and again people tried to dismiss them as isolated nuts, when in reality the white supremacist movement is burgeoning online and growing quickly.

Let's try to put this into perspective. That rally was awful, but in my opinion the movement is not growing quickly. There were probably a few hundred white supremacists max, that's including the KKK. Mixed in with that there were perhaps a thousand to 1500 Alt Right people of various flavours. The Alt Right people would not consider themselves to be in alignment with the KKK. The rally effectively killed the "brand" of the Alt Right. In the lead-up to the rally the Alt Right was already imploding because of the horrible antisemitism that was starting to become predominant within the Alt Right mix. To sum it up, there were perhaps a few hundred true hard-core people in that rally, and a lot of young Alt-Right dupes that bought those Tiki torches and completely destroyed themselves with the optics that they created. Then of course the right-wing nut plowed into people with his car and killed somebody.

Now for the somewhat difficult issue of completing the perspective to give the discussion some balance. We all saw what took place in Ferguson and Baltimore and Milwaukee and other places. We are all aware of gang culture. So how many hard core people are in this mix on the "other side" for lack of a better term. The answer is that there are literally millions. They might not all be true hard core gang bangers, but they will gladly destroy a police car and set fire to it or smash up a business or throw a brick at an innocent person walking down the street in a riot setting. Again, there are millions of them. Contrast that with a few hundred hard-core people at the Charlottesville rally.

Is there something that can give you a sense of this that is more tangible? The answer is yes there is. Going back to my little football story: Assault can mean anything, just stealing someone's newspaper out of their hands can be considered assault. But aggravated assault refers to when you actually beat up someone and injure them. In the United States today, a black person is two hundred times more likely to commit an act of aggravated assault against a white person than a white person is to commit an act of aggravated assault against a black person. There is the issue in real terms, and it is very sobering. This is a shocking statistic that some of our more liberal and left-leaning participants may not have been aware of. This is all being stated with the goal of understanding the bigger picture that encompasses mass murdering shooters to shooters on the street that rob a store and kill the clerk or the pizza delivery man. Both need attention, and the store clerk killings and the pizza delivery man killings and other crimes are a much much bigger problem. We have to find a way out of this mess and my contention is that the black community has to fix itself all by itself. It's just the only way because everything else has failed. I have followed this issue because I want to try in my own small way to help to effect change and save lives.

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Two years later we had a modern-day Nuremberg Rally in Charlottesville and again people tried to dismiss them as isolated nuts, when in reality the white supremacist movement is burgeoning online and growing quickly.

Let's try to put this into perspective. That rally was awful, but in my opinion the movement is not growing quickly. There were probably a few hundred white supremacists max, that's including the KKK. Mixed in with that there were perhaps a thousand to 1500 Alt Right people of various flavours. The Alt Right people would not consider themselves to be in alignment with the KKK. The rally effectively killed the "brand" of the Alt Right. In the lead-up to the rally the Alt Right was already imploding because of the horrible antisemitism that was starting to become predominant within the Alt Right mix. To sum it up, there were perhaps a few hundred true hard-core people in that rally, and a lot of young Alt-Right dupes that bought those Tiki torches and completely destroyed themselves with the optics that they created. Then of course the right-wing nut plowed into people with his car and killed somebody.

Now for the somewhat difficult issue of completing the perspective to give the discussion some balance. We all saw what took place in Ferguson and Baltimore and Milwaukee and other places. We are all aware of gang culture. So how many hard core people are in this mix on the "other side" for lack of a better term. The answer is that there are literally millions. They might not all be true hard core gang bangers, but they will gladly destroy a police car and set fire to it or smash up a business or throw a brick at an innocent person walking down the street in a riot setting. Again, there are millions of them. Contrast that with a few hundred hard-core people at the Charlottesville rally.

Is there something that can give you a sense of this that is more tangible? The answer is yes there is. Going back to my little football story: Assault can mean anything, just stealing someone's newspaper out of their hands can be considered assault. But aggravated assault refers to when you actually beat up someone and injure them. In the United States today, a black person is two hundred times more likely to commit an act of aggravated assault against a white person than a white person is to commit an act of aggravated assault against a black person. There is the issue in real terms, and it is very sobering. This is a shocking statistic that some of our more liberal and left-leaning participants may not have been aware of. This is all being stated with the goal of understanding the bigger picture that encompasses mass murdering shooters to shooters on the street that rob a store and kill the clerk or the pizza delivery man. Both need attention, and the store clerk killings and the pizza delivery man killings and other crimes are a much much bigger problem. We have to find a way out of this mess and my contention is that the black community has to fix itself all by itself. It's just the only way because everything else has failed. I have followed this issue because I want to try in my own small way to help to effect change and save lives.

So basically we should all be terrified of any black person we see in public. I don't live my life that way.

Oh, you're SURE to effect change if you tell black people they're 100% responsible for their plight, police brutality and institutional racism are generally myths, racial profiling is completely justified, and the average black man on the street can be assumed to be just as dangerous as an alt-right neo-fascist. It just might not be the change you're aiming for.

I'm going to tap out of this thread. Thanks for the discussion everyone.

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Race relations in America are very complicated to say the least. Things are very screwed because of the historical treatment of blacks. because of that the majority of blacks and many white liberals see racism and racists everywhere. Because of history it is somewhat understandable, especially amongst blacks themselves. I don't know the answer to it. I do know that one thing that has to stop is blacks and liberals accusing people of racism based on hunches or spidey senses. It has turned off others to the claims. I will admit that because of this i know longer take claims of racism seriously and many feel like I do.

In the Michael Bennett case for example ( the same with almost any case ) Michael Bennett claimed as a fact that his treatment was because of his race. now think about that for a minute. How the heck could he know that for a fact. The only one who could know that was the cop who stopped him, yet Bennett made the claim and blacks and liberals treated it like it was a fact. This goes on and on and on. Then blacks and liberal talk about the amount of racism there is and mentions things like that as proof.

This is a thread started about the Vegas shooting so lets talk about that. There is a story out there and the police are looking into it ( so I have read ) that the shooter might have tried this before at an earlier time and at that time I believe it was a rap concert going on. Now if that did happen and this guy killed 50 at a rap concert this country would have exploded. It was have been treated like a fact that the shooter just wanted to kill black people and CNN and MSNBC would be running that angle all day. People like me who would be saying that it's tragic but I don't know if he was a racist would be considered racist and evil for saying that.

Couple things-
First- The country is "going nuts" over the mass murders of Americans- country music fans or whatever. The last "biggest mass gun shooting" was at a gay nightclub where (obviously) gay people were the targets. Same reaction and horror as now (actually this is looking to be much bigger). I'm sure you would have thought us libs would go extra nuts over that based on their sexual orientation. Wrong. It's humans getting slaughtered we're against-turns out.

Second- Using Michael Bennett's example and then stating "the same as in most all cases" is just plain bigoted nonsense. Black people are racially profiled and far too often killed because of it.Period. The fact that you don't take racism seriously along with your circle of friends highlights the problem.

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Race relations in America are very complicated to say the least. Things are very screwed because of the historical treatment of blacks. because of that the majority of blacks and many white liberals see racism and racists everywhere. Because of history it is somewhat understandable, especially amongst blacks themselves. I don't know the answer to it. I do know that one thing that has to stop is blacks and liberals accusing people of racism based on hunches or spidey senses. It has turned off others to the claims. I will admit that because of this i know longer take claims of racism seriously and many feel like I do.

In the Michael Bennett case for example ( the same with almost any case ) Michael Bennett claimed as a fact that his treatment was because of his race. now think about that for a minute. How the heck could he know that for a fact. The only one who could know that was the cop who stopped him, yet Bennett made the claim and blacks and liberals treated it like it was a fact. This goes on and on and on. Then blacks and liberal talk about the amount of racism there is and mentions things like that as proof.

This is a thread started about the Vegas shooting so lets talk about that. There is a story out there and the police are looking into it ( so I have read ) that the shooter might have tried this before at an earlier time and at that time I believe it was a rap concert going on. Now if that did happen and this guy killed 50 at a rap concert this country would have exploded. It was have been treated like a fact that the shooter just wanted to kill black people and CNN and MSNBC would be running that angle all day. People like me who would be saying that it's tragic but I don't know if he was a racist would be considered racist and evil for saying that.

Couple things-
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Funny, the country didn't go nuts when Dylann Roof shot up a black church. But he was just dismissed as a "lone wolf" nut and treated to Burger King by the cops because that nice young fella was hungry.

How sweet.

Two years later we had a modern-day Nuremberg Rally in Charlottesville and again .

I am sure being a SJW you never bothered to read up on the Burger King story with Roof. You just went with the crowd on that. Maybe you should read up on that.

They bought him BUrger King because he had barley eaten in days and it's their policy not to deny prisoners food and they had no food where they were holding him. But you and others or course have made an issue of it in your cherry picking ways. Could you tell me if they ever got food for a black prisoner? I bet not.

Roof was sentenced to death correct? The cops who arrested him where the ones who collected the evidence to convict him to death but you like other lamely try to make an issue out of the Burger King story. More proof that someone who wants to claim racism is an irresistible force.



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My friend and I have travelled the USA and Canada by bicycle for more than 6 months.
We camped out in the wild and on campsites.
We saw bears, mountain lions elk etc.
We loved the nature and people.
But people keep on asking why we don't had a gun/ weapon.
It was very astonishing for us, coming from Europe.
We never need weapons or wanted them.
It would scared me.
We saw people walking with a gun in their back pocket.
If it's so accessible then you can easily choose to use it.

But I guess that people think the same about our drugs policy in The Netherlands.

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If it's so accessible then you can easily choose to use it.

But I guess that people think the same about our drugs policy in The Netherlands.

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Feel free to discuss this for a bit still. The thread will be closed soon.

It would be great if someone could just summarize in a one liner. How many fully automatic guns that may shoot 8-10 bullets per second I may own as a private person. I mean since the fix to make a weapon fully automatic is 100% legal and cost less than $95, how many should I be allowed to own as a private person? The sick guy in Las Vegas had 10-20 of these in the hotel room, and more at home. What should the legal number be? Zero? One? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? I just wonder. There must be someone out there who could help me out on this question, before this thread is closed.

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1,516 mass shootings in 1,735 days: America's gun crisis – in one chart:

[www.theguardian.com]

Data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive reveals a shocking human toll: there is a mass shooting – defined as four or more people shot in one incident, not including the shooter – every nine out of 10 days on average.

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What should the legal number be? Zero? One? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? I just wonder. There must be someone out there who could help me out on this question, before this thread is closed.

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As this thread is coming to a close, I would like to post a couple links to stories that highlight the hero's of that horrific night. There were many.
As Mr. Rogers said about coping with tragedies.. look for the helpers.

[www.washingtonpost.com]

[www.cbsnews.com]

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Why do they play the anthem when two American teams play, btw?

Because we're AMERICA. @#$%& you. That's why.

No real good reason. It's just hyper-nationalist nonsense.

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Feel free to discuss this for a bit still. The thread will be closed soon.

It would be great if someone could just summarize in a one liner. How many fully automatic guns that may shoot 8-10 bullets per second I may own as a private person. I mean since the fix to make a weapon fully automatic is 100% legal and cost less than $95, how many should I be allowed to own as a private person? The sick guy in Las Vegas had 10-20 of these in the hotel room, and more at home. What should the legal number be? Zero? One? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? I just wonder. There must be someone out there who could help me out on this question, before this thread is closed.

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As this thread is coming to a close, I would like to post a couple links to stories that highlight the hero's of that horrific night. There were many.
As Mr. Rogers said about coping with tragedies.. look for the helpers.

[www.washingtonpost.com]

[www.cbsnews.com]

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Why do they play the anthem when two American teams play, btw?

Because we're AMERICA. @#$%& you. That's why.

No real good reason. It's just hyper-nationalist nonsense.

That's one way to put it ... it was a tradition from earlier days. Americans used to take great pride and it would have at one point been unthinkable to not stand, salute, etc., as a tribute and honor to those that sacrificed their lives for the Country to be independent. At one point the country had a war it seemed, every few years, and each time with many human lives sacrificed to fight for/represent his/her country.

It has now been a long time since there were drafts and any "major" world war where there are a million of lives lost, so many Americans have now become complacent, disgruntled, expect everything ... become 'spoiled', some may say.

Older people, like my father, get incensed at this prevalent attitude amongst the younger generation. But some may say the younger generation is now more educated, or privy to more info than before that some wars are not in the best interest of the country ... the Vietnam war was the trigger, so many kids were killed, on both sides, with no real gain it seems. So now many think there is no reason to ever be at war. This type of attitude then leads many to think of the salute as perfunctory, or some may call it "hyper-nationalist nonsense".

That's my take, anyway, for what it's worth.

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Feel free to discuss this for a bit still. The thread will be closed soon.

It would be great if someone could just summarize in a one liner. How many fully automatic guns that may shoot 8-10 bullets per second I may own as a private person. I mean since the fix to make a weapon fully automatic is 100% legal and cost less than $95, how many should I be allowed to own as a private person? The sick guy in Las Vegas had 10-20 of these in the hotel room, and more at home. What should the legal number be? Zero? One? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? I just wonder. There must be someone out there who could help me out on this question, before this thread is closed.

Zero.

it seems People want to an answer that explains why the gunman did this. My feeling is that we're not gunna get one. Life doesn't always work that way. There's not always a simple explanation. What is clear is that we need safeguards put into place. It's not political. It's a safety issue.