I found this posted on a facebook page, and while it's obviously not scientific and perhaps a bit tongue-in-cheek, it does make a point.



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I found this posted on a facebook page, and while it's obviously not scientific and perhaps a bit tongue-in-cheek, it does make a point.

I would tweak it to say, "Mentally deranged people and criminals who do not care about rules or laws."

OK, then why not just make it legal to steal cars? People who steal cars obviously don't care about the law. They're just gunna do it anyways.

And for that matter , what about speed limits... who needs them ?



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Problem with gun control laws is that you have to take guns away from mostly law abiding white people because you think it will reduce the crime in certain black neighborhoods.
Just don't think that's possible unless gun owners buy in. Don't think they are going to do it unless it's tied to an honest conversation about gun violence.
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America is not consistent regarding prohibition of dangerous things. There is a move to prohibit guns; at the same time there is a movement to legalize recreational drugs and there has been a concerted effort to push pain medication by drug companies.

Ridiculous.
By far the majority of mass gun murders in the US have been committed by white males. The racist blame the scary black guy theory doesn't fly.

I thought the discussion was about gun deaths period. Why are you trying to make a point by only pointing to Mass gun murders?

If bringing up the huge problem of gun deaths in black cities makes one a racist then wouldn't you be a sexiest and a racist for pointing to the problem of white male gun deaths?

I saw someone point this out and trying to find out if it is true so I will ask you. If you take away all the gun deaths in black populated cities would American then be one of the safer places to live Statistically? Is this true or not.

I'm one of those ugly Americans among you. I'm not a gun owner. I don't hunt because I love animals. I'm a hypocrite because I eat meat. I travel a lot for work. I looked into buying a gun 17 years ago and took a class at the local gun range. I looked at what it would take to make me feel my wife and kids were safe in the inner city without me home and still not be at risk for an accident if the kids stumbled upon the gun.

The cost of a gun safe; the likelihood of my wife, shaking with fear, trying to open it in the event of a home invasion; the need to practice shooting; keep the gun maintained in good working condition so it didn't jam; the cost of the gun and ammo and accessories all helped make up my mind. I would trust my instincts and not own a gun.

I changed my lifestyle and cut out expensive entertainment like concerts and other things that I enjoyed for many years that cost too much money. I went back to school to finish my degree to get a better paying job and moved to a safe suburb with a low crime rate. It took three years of hard work and sacrifice to accomplsh this, but I did it. We've been here 14 years now and it's a night and day difference from how I grew up and how I used to live.

Should guns be outlawed in the States? That would be nearly impossible to do. We could and should limit what's available and to whom. That's a sane first step. There will be vocal political opposition to do so, though. Another issue I know from experience is many, not all, but many of the guns in the inner city are not purchased legally. When you're white and lower income, it's easy to blame the gangs with black and brown kids and white kids who try to act like them. Gangs are a genuine problem, but my Dad also bought a stolen gun for the same reason. He was an old man living alone in a bad neighborhood. A gun with the serial number filed off means affordable protection in a lot of people's minds. There's an awful lot of illegal guns out there. You could make it harder to buy guns legally, but we still wouldn't be Canada or Europe any time soon.

The other end of the problem is cultural. We love violence. Look at our movies, listen to our music, play our video games. We glorify violence. That's a tough one because I hate censorship, but good luck changing cultural attitudes towards sex and violence because it sells and sells year after year. The other part of the cultural issue is religious. We're not afraid to criticize Judeo-Christianity for being backwards in the treatment of women or homosexuals. We know better than to criticize Islam. Social media deletes posts or suspends your account for doing so. Sometimes this is understandable because there are lots of good Muslims who don't want to hurt anyone and statistically most never will. That said, there is an element of the religion that glorifies violence. It's hardly unique in world history, but that element is the most obvious example today.

So you have gun laws, violent entertainment as a commodity, and a major religion that sometimes promotes terror. America, in many ways, is a microcosm of Europe. That is logical given our pedigree as European colonies and as home to European immigrants. Part of that microcosm means we encapsulate all that is best and worst in the Western world. How do you fix a problem that is defended with freedom to protect or respect of religious beliefs? How do you fix a problem that makes so much money in a society that is built on making as much money as possible?

I don't have the answers. I support baby steps to fixing them, but I know that even baby steps will be fought every single inch. I write all of this because whether this was one lone mentally ill white guy or a plot by radical Islamic terrorists, the end result is a lot of innocent people are dead and we can't even begin to get our hands around the problems to fix them.

The best you can do is live your life differently. If you have kids, raise them to do the same. Do what you can to stamp out violence and intolerance. Teach them the importance to not fall to political apathy. Sometimes the only way to fix a big problem is to start with your own microcosm. Your home, your neighborhood, your community, and work from there. It's an uphill fight and it takes more than a single generation. All you can do is try to be better than the world you live in.

I would assume that alot of people at that concert are big on gun owner rights. I would think you would find that at a country music concert. It will be interesting to see how many come out for gun control now.

I think alot of people who attack anyone who is for gun control would change their mind if they were put into certain situations and we see this all the time.

I am in the middle on the issue. I have never touched a gun in my life and I think it's silly that people actually think owning one if real protection, but baning guns would worry me a little.

The problem with guns is I have never in my life met a wackjob ( I have worked with a ton of people ) who does not own a gun. It goes hand in hand.



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I thought the discussion was about gun deaths period. Why are you trying to make a point by only pointing to Mass gun murders?

If bringing up the huge problem of gun deaths in black cities makes one a racist then wouldn't you be a sexiest and a racist for pointing to the problem of white male gun deaths?

I saw someone point this out and trying to find out if it is true so I will ask you. If you take away all the gun deaths in black populated cities would American then be one of the safer places to live Statistically? Is this true or not.

The topic is the Las Vegas mass shooting. Mass shootings are committed primarily by white males. Stating that fact is neither racist or "sexiest".
To answer your question, sure if you took away all gun violence in all cities life would be safer. Lose the "black populated cities" narrative, it's racist.
If the goal is addressing gun violence in inner-cities, or the mass murder gun violence, the solution is the same. Make guns harder to get.

Great post Rocky and good on you. Without doing the research myself, I have a suggestion for your wife and family. It's a little bit Big Brother, but a worthwhile compromise for safety.

There must be alarm systems that are voice-activated where you have a microphone in each room of the house. So if you or your wife or kids said something like, "Emergency 911 Code 12345" then the alarm system would automatically call the police and all of the video would be streamed to a cloud server. I have to assume that it exists and is not too costly.

Thanks, MileHigh. We're almost empty nesters at this point and we haven't had crime in the neighborhood we now live in (not even a break-in) for 14 years. We're very fortunate. From here, the next move will likely be a small cottage in the country or a small town in the middle of nowhere. I'd prefer to spend my last two or three decades as a useful member of society living the rural life. It's a nice change from gun shots and police and ambulance sirens that dominated so much of my life.

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I thought the discussion was about gun deaths period. Why are you trying to make a point by only pointing to Mass gun murders?

If bringing up the huge problem of gun deaths in black cities makes one a racist then wouldn't you be a sexiest and a racist for pointing to the problem of white male gun deaths?

I saw someone point this out and trying to find out if it is true so I will ask you. If you take away all the gun deaths in black populated cities would American then be one of the safer places to live Statistically? Is this true or not.

The topic is the Las Vegas mass shooting. Mass shootings are committed primarily by white males. Stating that fact is neither racist or "sexiest".
To answer your question, sure if you took away all gun violence in all cities life would be safer. Lose the "black populated cities" narrative, it's racist.
If the goal is addressing gun violence in inner-cities, or the mass murder gun violence, the solution is the same. Make guns harder to get.

No the topic went beyond mass shooting and the topic was gun deaths themselves. Mass shooting numbers are built into the stats so it would not change the point the other poster made which is what you replied to. The point has been made that if you avoid troubled cities then America is a safe place stats wise. Is that true or not?

I agree with you on making guns hard to get. I am not a gun guy at all and again I find it silly that people in most cases think they need one for protection.



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I thought the discussion was about gun deaths period. Why are you trying to make a point by only pointing to Mass gun murders?

If bringing up the huge problem of gun deaths in black cities makes one a racist then wouldn't you be a sexiest and a racist for pointing to the problem of white male gun deaths?

I saw someone point this out and trying to find out if it is true so I will ask you. If you take away all the gun deaths in black populated cities would American then be one of the safer places to live Statistically? Is this true or not.

The topic is the Las Vegas mass shooting. Mass shootings are committed primarily by white males. Stating that fact is neither racist or "sexiest".
To answer your question, sure if you took away all gun violence in all cities life would be safer. Lose the "black populated cities" narrative, it's racist.
If the goal is addressing gun violence in inner-cities, or the mass murder gun violence, the solution is the same. Make guns harder to get.

I am going to tell you a fictional story that is germane to the discussion. We all know that when a quarterback is carrying the ball he is at risk of a dirty tackle. The opposing team intentionally wants to injure the quarterback because he is the most valuable player. Any player can be subject to a dirty tackle.

Now, imagine this: Two teams, the Reds and the Blues play each other twelve times a season. On average, the Red team commits a single dirty tackle per season. However, the Blue team commits 200 dirty tackles per season. The numbers are amplified over three seasons; three dirty tackles made by the Reds vs. 600 dirty tackles made by the Blues.

So, do we have an issue here? Is this something that needs to be addressed and corrected?

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Problem with gun control laws is that you have to take guns away from mostly law abiding white people because you think it will reduce the crime in certain black neighborhoods.
Just don't think that's possible unless gun owners buy in. Don't think they are going to do it unless it's tied to an honest conversation about gun violence.
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America is not consistent regarding prohibition of dangerous things. There is a move to prohibit guns; at the same time there is a movement to legalize recreational drugs and there has been a concerted effort to push pain medication by drug companies.

Ridiculous.
By far the majority of mass gun murders in the US have been committed by white males. The racist blame the scary black guy theory doesn't fly.

I thought the discussion was about gun deaths period. Why are you trying to make a point by only pointing to Mass gun murders?

If bringing up the huge problem of gun deaths in black cities makes one a racist then wouldn't you be a sexiest and a racist for pointing to the problem of white male gun deaths?

I saw someone point this out and trying to find out if it is true so I will ask you. If you take away all the gun deaths in black populated cities would American then be one of the safer places to live Statistically? Is this true or not.

Look up the New York university's Brennan center for justice study released last December and decide for yourself.avoid the media.

Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.

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Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.

Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.



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A Senior Law Enforcement Officer has been quoted by Reuters: 'There is no evidence in this case of mental disorder or brain damage'.
This is not as unusual as you might think, yet in the UK when someone with schizophrenia is found guilty of murder, his/her health condition always gets a mention by the media. As if that explains everything.

Undiagnosed psychopathic or serious personality disorders are very difficult to treat and some would argue and not mental health conditions at all.
I only mention this because a senior Republican politician, when asked about gun control legislation, said that they had been an increase in funding in mental health services. So we can all feel a bit safer now, eh what?

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Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.

Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.

Just flat out factually wrong.
Blacks commit murder at more than seven times the rate white people do.
I care about the innocent people in black communities living in fear and being murdered every day without getting the headlines this shooting has gotten.
Yes, Black Lives Matter. So let's talk about ways to help them.

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Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.

Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.

I must be a rare breed or something, i don't see people as black or white , just people, some good, some bad , some black, some white.
Its a ridiculous statistic to keep quoting colour, i mean it is just that , colour.

If people are ever going to get over this hurdle they need to drop calling everybody racists 24/7.

White people are racist, black people are racist, yeah well lets be intelligent and get over it.
Why cant people say a man shot a man today, why the colour ?? why does it matter. A man is dead and got killed by another man. I don't want to know what colour killed what colour, its irrelevant, someone is dead and someone did it, those are the important facts. Quoting race just fuels the fire.
We are being played, its all designed to make people hate each other, the elite want fear and unrest, its how they hold the power.
Just love one another, love everyone and we can't go wrong.

ITS EASY. We are all in this together and no one gets out alive, so just love everybody for who they are.

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Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.

Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.

But problems with gun violence and murder are more prevalent in the black community so why not focus your energies first where the problem is the most serious? Note that you changed "most" to "all" when referencing what Wonderboy stated. That's spinning.

White people don't get to cry racism? In fact they do. We all have to live our lives rooted in truth, and truth is becoming a scarcer commodity because of the radical rhetoric that we see these days. The white teacher Beverly Wilkins was systematically discriminated against at Harris-Stowe State University, which is a black school. She won a five million dollar racial discrimination suit. Truth and justice have to prevail. All victims regardless of race need a voice, and we need to be honest and direct most of our energies where the problems are the most pronounced.

The last person who tried to tell the evil white males what they can and can't say is now sitting at home in a wine stained pantsuit screaming at her television."it should've been me! it should've been me,Bill!!..,

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I found this posted on a facebook page, and while it's obviously not scientific and perhaps a bit tongue-in-cheek, it does make a point.

Looks like NRA posting to me. How about:

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Meanwhile it´s an American discussion.
People from other countries come up with
"300.000.000 guns" and "30.000 deaths",
but it doesn´t convince some Americans.
End of discussion.

Yes, blacks commit crimes at higher rates than whites. Pointing that out dispassionately isn't racist, but using it as a cudgel to portray blacks as out-of-control savages does.

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Notice that white people tend to murder other white people, and black people tend to murder other black people.

As long as the violence is contained to neighborhoods of color, it doesn't register as news. No one really cares about inner city violence in America. We claim we do, but we really don't. Otherwise we would have done something about it by now.

But again, crime rates have decreased steadily during the last two decades and are very low compared to the '80s and early '90s. Our cities aren't "war zones" save for some localized inner city communities in several large cities where, again, people simply don't care enough to do anything about.



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Yes, blacks commit crimes at higher rates than whites. Pointing that out dispassionately isn't racist, but using it as a cudgel to portray blacks as out-of-control savages does.

[ucr.fbi.gov]

Notice that white people tend to murder other white people, and black people tend to murder other black people.

As long as the violence is contained to neighborhoods of color, it doesn't register as news. No one really cares about inner city violence in America. We claim we do, but we really don't. Otherwise we would have done something about it by now.

But again, crime rates have decreased steadily during the last two decades and are very low compared to the '80s and early '90s. Our cities aren't "war zones" save for some localized inner city communities in several large cities where, again, people simply don't care enough to do anything about.

So let me see if i have got this right.
As long as whites are killing whites and blacks are killing blacks, its not news worthy, so it doesn't really matter so much, and we don't really care ?

If this is progress we are all @#$%&.

The whole world has gone mad.

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Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.

Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.

Oh Boy. Here we go.

Who doesn't think that blacks lives matter? That is just something blacks and liberals claim and then protest against their straw man.

Fact.. Twice as many whites are killed by cops then blacks are and nobody knows any of the names of those whites. Yet we still hear there is a problem of people thinking that blacks lives do not matter.

Fact. Twice as many whites are killed by blacks then the other way around and nobody knows the names of those whites but everyone knows about the Dylan Roof tragedy and people like Trayvon Martin. Yet again we hear the black lives matter chant. It's a hoax. If someone has trouble saying all lives matter then they are the problem. All lives does include black lives just denies them the sacred statues liberal want.

The argument that only white people can be racist is ridiculous and it's a new invention to try and have things their way.

The argument could be made that the ones who don't care about black lives are the ones who fight things like stop and frisk. We see what happens when cops pull back. More blacks are killed. We see that over and over again. I for one care about black lives and want to see the number killed decreased.

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Yes, blacks commit crimes at higher rates than whites. Pointing that out dispassionately isn't racist, but using it as a cudgel to portray blacks as out-of-control savages does.

[ucr.fbi.gov]

Notice that white people tend to murder other white people, and black people tend to murder other black people.

As long as the violence is contained to neighborhoods of color, it doesn't register as news. No one really cares about inner city violence in America. We claim we do, but we really don't. Otherwise we would have done something about it by now.

But again, crime rates have decreased steadily during the last two decades and are very low compared to the '80s and early '90s. Our cities aren't "war zones" save for some localized inner city communities in several large cities where, again, people simply don't care enough to do anything about.

So let me see if i have got this right.
As long as whites are killing whites and blacks are killing blacks, its not news worthy, so it doesn't really matter so much, and we don't really care ?

If this is progress we are all @#$%&.

The whole world has gone mad.

No, never said that. I simply said that inner city violence is such a mundane fact of life in America that it rarely gets the attention it deserves.

White on white violence does get more attention because of ingrained racial bias: it's salacious and tends to be "evening news" worthy, particularly in suburban or rural communities where it's not as frequent.

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Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.

Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.

Oh Boy. Here we go.

Who doesn't think that blacks lives matter? That is just something blacks and liberals claim and then protest against their straw man.

Not a straw man at all.

Unarmed black people are shot dead by the cops, including a 12 year old boy, and no one cares. A video of a cop shooting a black person in the back execution-style was needed to get a cop arrested and jailed. Didn't see much outrage over it though. Just some "Tsk tsk...shame. Oh, let's see what's on TV now."

A football player kneels during the Anthem and white people go berserk en masse and stop watching football. Football...America's real religion.

That's what gets white peoples' hackles up. Not dead black people, but a living uppity black person. Their priorities are crystal clear.

Bring the fact checkers in-how many police shooting of minorities compared to others? Stats are there.use a study from the FBI or a law studies center.avoid the media.

We increasingly see Police in America and now in England needlessly kill people when they don't obey commands by the police.
They don't take into account that the person could be mentally unwell or in trauma or just had a big argument because the other half cheated on them, or that they are under the influence of drink or drugs.

No they just shoot to kill, when they could have tasered them or shot them in the leg or shoulder.

Life is cheap and its getting cheaper, we all sit here having civilized discussions, like progress is being made for humanity with all this political correct ballshit, bu in reality things are getting worse.

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Bring the fact checkers in-how many police shooting of minorities compared to others? Stats are there.use a study from the FBI or a law studies center.avoid the media.

Keep in mind how many more white people there are in America:

[www.washingtonpost.com]

There are plenty of stats in this article to support some of your arguments too.

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Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.

Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.

Oh Boy. Here we go.

Who doesn't think that blacks lives matter? That is just something blacks and liberals claim and then protest against their straw man.

Not a straw man at all.

Unarmed black people are shot dead by the cops, including a 12 year old boy, and no one cares. A video of a cop shooting a black person in the back execution-style was needed to get a cop arrested and jailed. Didn't see much outrage over it though. Just some "Tsk tsk...shame. Oh, let's see what's on TV now."

A football player kneels during the Anthem and white people go berserk en masse and stop watching football. Football...America's real religion.

That's what gets white peoples' hackles up. Not dead black people, but a living uppity black person. Their priorities are crystal clear.

That is you saying nobody cared about Rice being killed. Then you protest that nobody cared. Plenty of people cared. Obviously it's a complicated issue when dealing with police. How do you know it wasn't a real gun? Because you have hindsight that the cops do not have. How do you know that Rice was 12? Because you have hindsight that the cops did not have.

It was tragic for sure and I have never heard anyone deny that. Whites have been killed for carry toy guns also. I red that it has happened 30 times in recent years and 19 of the victims were white.

I am not impressed with your unarmed argument. Michael Brown fo one was unarmed but he tried to gr4ab a cops gun and then charged at him again. Please tell me that the same could not have easily happened to a white guy because it happens all the time to white guys.

You seriously did not see much outrage over the Walter Scott killing? Now you are just saying things. When someone wants to claim racism they are an irresistible force. There is no stopping them. Did you see a ton of outrage over any white people killed by cops recently? Which ones. I have seen none that have even come close to numerous killings of black people recently.

The way police do things and police training do need to be looked at rationally. It;s a complicated issue because of gun culture cops have a real reason to be scared and it's understandable that when forced to make a quick decision they sometimes in hindsight make the wrong one.



Question. IF the cop shot this guy at 26 seconds would he have been an evil racist? It's a complicated issue.



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