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lem motlow
4 crazed meth heads smash into your house in the middle of the night with the intent of doing a Manson family like ritual on your wife and children.how many guns would you like? 0,1 ? How many rounds would you like to be able to shoot? 5?or 10? Maybe with those gun death stats we could also put up a chart showing the amount of home invasions per year in the States?

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MisterDDDD
Yeah.
Home invasions with four+ perps super common, I'm sure

If that zillion to one long shot happens to you (and you're not a drug dealer) and one or two "regular" guns w reg clips doesn't save you nothing would have. Good Lawd.

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MisterDDDD
Legislation to help prevent the gun violence wouldn't exactly be a "rush".

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MisterDDDD
Legislation to help prevent the gun violence wouldn't exactly be a "rush".

As a UK resident, I'm not familiar with the detail above.
Is it fair to say that MALES were responsible for all...or nearly all of the killings?
Also, I believe ALASKA has the highest incidence of gun deaths (suicide rates by gunshot are very high).
Is it fair to assume that looking at statistics per state there is a direct link between gun deaths and ownership?

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I really don't know what the statistics are regarding gun ownership and thwarting home invasions. So many people who own guns keep them secured in lockboxes on top of their closet or in a safe so the kiddies don't get hurt (unfortunately that isn't always foolproof). So, unless you have a gun under your pillow or in a drawer in a nightstand by your bed and are a damn good shot, I feel it's a false sense of security for the most part. Better to have a security system and/or a large dog. Certainly would have helped in the Cheshire Connecticut home invasion case in 2007.

The Tate Murders wasn't a home invasion in the strictest sense. The murderers just walked through the unlocked front door. Evidently, according to one Manson Family member on the scene, one of their victims actually waved hello to them as they walked by one of the bedrooms before the attack. Thought they were friends of the family I guess. Maybe a gun would have helped, but they were caught unaware, so probably not.

Plus haven't some home owners been arrested for shooting people on their property? Don't you have to ultimately prove that this individual was committing a crime. Seems like there have been stories in past regarding this.

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4 crazed meth heads smash into your house in the middle of the night with the intent of doing a Manson family like ritual on your wife and children.how many guns would you like? 0,1 ? How many rounds would you like to be able to shoot? 5?or 10? Maybe with those gun death stats we could also put up a chart showing the amount of home invasions per year in the States?

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MisterDDDD
Legislation to help prevent the gun violence wouldn't exactly be a "rush".

As a UK resident, I'm not familiar with the detail above.
Is it fair to say that MALES were responsible for all...or nearly all of the killings?
Also, I believe ALASKA has the highest incidence of gun deaths (suicide rates by gunshot are very high).
Is it fair to assume that looking at statistics per state there is a direct link between gun deaths and ownership?

Should we ban males? Can I be "grandfathered" in?

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I would submit that the chances of going to a concert and getting machine gunned are pretty low also but let's move on-

Single female living alone,rapist breaks into her house in the middle of the night.do we want her with a gun and trained to use it or no gun? And how many bullets can she have. 2, 5 as many as she wants ?

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MisterDDDD
Yeah.
Home invasions with four+ perps super common, I'm sure

If that zillion to one long shot happens to you (and you're not a drug dealer) and one or two "regular" guns w reg clips doesn't save you nothing would have. Good Lawd.

I'm aghast. Home invasions happen all the time. Go onto Google and search on "home invasion" and "violent home invasion" and " home invasion" and "homeowner shot in home invasion" and "homeowner killed in home invasion." Welcome to the real world. Lawd indeed.

I'll even throw in a bonus search pertaining to the earlier discussion. Search on "DART beating video" and see what comes up.

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MisterDDDD
Yeah.
Home invasions with four+ perps super common, I'm sure

If that zillion to one long shot happens to you (and you're not a drug dealer) and one or two "regular" guns w reg clips doesn't save you nothing would have. Good Lawd.

I'm aghast. Home invasions happen all the time. Go onto Google and search on "home invasion" and "violent home invasion" and " home invasion" and "homeowner shot in home invasion" and "homeowner killed in home invasion." Welcome to the real world. Lawd indeed.

I'll even throw in a bonus search pertaining to the earlier discussion. Search on "DART beating video" and see what comes up.

You search.


Four plus perps for a home invasion is extremely rare.

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Why do they play the anthem when two American teams play, btw?

Because we're AMERICA. @#$%& you. That's why.

No real good reason. It's just hyper-nationalist nonsense.

That's one way to put it ... it was a tradition from earlier days. Americans used to take great pride and it would have at one point been unthinkable to not stand, salute, etc., as a tribute and honor to those that sacrificed their lives for the Country to be independent. At one point the country had a war it seemed, every few years, and each time with many human lives sacrificed to fight for/represent his/her country.

It has now been a long time since there were drafts and any "major" world war where there are a million of lives lost, so many Americans have now become complacent, disgruntled, expect everything ... become 'spoiled', some may say.

Older people, like my father, get incensed at this prevalent attitude amongst the younger generation. But some may say the younger generation is now more educated, or privy to more info than before that some wars are not in the best interest of the country ... the Vietnam war was the trigger, so many kids were killed, on both sides, with no real gain it seems. So now many think there is no reason to ever be at war. This type of attitude then leads many to think of the salute as perfunctory, or some may call it "hyper-nationalist nonsense".

That's my take, anyway, for what it's worth.

There's more to any country than its military prowess. The Anthem should be a celebration of the country in total, not an ode to military might and escapades.


If we're all to be bullied and coerced into standing for fear of reprisal, then how special is the act?

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4 crazed meth heads smash into your house in the middle of the night with the intent of doing a Manson family like ritual on your wife and children.how many guns would you like? 0,1 ? How many rounds would you like to be able to shoot? 5?or 10? Maybe with those gun death stats we could also put up a chart showing the amount of home invasions per year in the States?

If I ever felt that a gun was the only way to feel safe in my home, I’d move to a different country.

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There were many heroes in Las Vegas during the shooting. I am always amazed by Americans who stand up for each other. This brings me to a story during the 1998 winter tour. I was on the bus from Portland OR to the airport, following the two shows at Rose Garden January 1998. I think I paid 65 cent for the ticket, it was cheap, may be my memory is wrong, but it was cheap. Anyway, a guy entered the bus, and started to bug the driver, really nasty. An old lady sitting in the front of the bus, supported the driver by making it very clear that such harrazment was totally unacceptable. The guy who was bugging the driver understood he was crossing the line of accepted behaviour and everything was quiet, I was surprised. In many places people are afraid of what might happen. Thye bad guy might have a gun or a knife. The old lady could have been my mother.

In Las Vegas, during the shooting, an unarmed security guy went to the room of the shooter and knocked it to silence the killer. The madman shot may be two hundred rounds through the door, the unarmed security guy stayed, messaged to the incoming police, and even if he was bleeding from being shot, he stayed to make sure they found the room. His actions probably interrupted the shooter, who then took his life. The shooting stopped. If the security guy did not interrupt him, the shooter might have continued for a lot more time than just the 10 minutes he made hell for the innocent people at the show.

Jesus Campos says he just did his job... But he is a great example of what I have seen during my numerous travels to USA. They stand up for each other and support each others, just like the police on the concert ground in Las Vegas.

So while we are surprised by the number of guns the mad shooter was having, it should be possible to agree on the fact that 99.99% of all Americans are not violent, they take care of each other just like we all try to do the best for our closest. No madman and no terrorist will ever destroy or change an open and well functioning democracy like USA. That is for sure.

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lem motlow
I would submit that the chances of going to a concert and getting machine gunned are pretty low also but let's move on-

Single female living alone,rapist breaks into her house in the middle of the night.do we want her with a gun and trained to use it or no gun? And how many bullets can she have. 2, 5 as many as she wants ?

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MisterDDDD
You search.
Four plus perps for a home invasion is extremely rare.

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lem motlow
I would submit that the chances of going to a concert and getting machine gunned are pretty low also but let's move on-

Single female living alone,rapist breaks into her house in the middle of the night.do we want her with a gun and trained to use it or no gun? And how many bullets can she have. 2, 5 as many as she wants ?

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bv
There were many heroes in Las Vegas during the shooting. I am always amazed by Americans who stand up for each other. This brings me to a story during the 1998 winter tour. I was on the bus from Portland OR to the airport, following the two shows at Rose Garden January 1998. I think I paid 65 cent for the ticket, it was cheap, may be my memory is wrong, but it was cheap. Anyway, a guy entered the bus, and started to bug the driver, really nasty. An old lady sitting in the front of the bus, supported the driver by making it very clear that such harrazment was totally unacceptable. The guy who was bugging the driver understood he was crossing the line of accepted behaviour and everything was quiet, I was surprised. In many places people are afraid of what might happen. Thye bad guy might have a gun or a knife. The old lady could have been my mother.

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lem motlow
Good talk everyone,I believe everyone on both sides just want what's right.it was assumed I was a republican because of my views on the media and gun rights,I'm not
I can't stand either one of those groups of crooks or the multinationals that own them.
Just remember every law that gets passed that is the government telling you that you can't be trusted-"one of you did something crazy,now we take something away"next time will be something else, then something else.a government that doesn't trust its people.i,ll be waiting for them to disarm the people protecting them.see if they have a limit on the amount of bullets the secret service can use.they never will,because they are important and their lives mean more than you and yours.

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So while we are surprised by the number of guns the mad shooter was having, it should be possible to agree on the fact that 99.99% of all Americans are not violent, they take care of each other just like we all try to do the best for our closest. No madman and no terrorist will ever destroy or change an open and well functioning democracy like USA. That is for sure.

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MileHigh
For all the America haters out there in the world, America with all its faults is still the greatest country in the world.

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If it's so accessible then you can easily choose to use it.

But I guess that people think the same about our drugs policy in The Netherlands.

If I had a drug I would shoot first -- in the arm or up the nose or wherever -- and ask questions later.

Hope you enjoy your bike ride here in North America (i.e., the U.S. and Canada).

Just a helpful tip -- when I first started riding bikes on roads and highways in the early seventies (I was born in 1966), the bicyclists rode on the left side of the road/highway.

I don't know, looking back that makes a bit more sense. I mean, if someone's going to hit you with their car or truck, then at least on the left side of the road you can see them coming at you and you have the best chance of swerving out of their way.

I'll never understand why they changed it, so that bicycle traffic was later switched to the right side of the road, so the traffic is coming to the back of you.

Well, again, enjoy your bike rides here, and be careful of where you stop off to eat. Remember, here in the U.S., if the guns don't get you, the GMOs will... eventually.

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There were many heroes in Las Vegas during the shooting. I am always amazed by Americans who stand up for each other. This brings me to a story during the 1998 winter tour. I was on the bus from Portland OR to the airport, following the two shows at Rose Garden January 1998. I think I paid 65 cent for the ticket, it was cheap, may be my memory is wrong, but it was cheap. Anyway, a guy entered the bus, and started to bug the driver, really nasty. An old lady sitting in the front of the bus, supported the driver by making it very clear that such harrazment was totally unacceptable. The guy who was bugging the driver understood he was crossing the line of accepted behaviour and everything was quiet, I was surprised. In many places people are afraid of what might happen. Thye bad guy might have a gun or a knife. The old lady could have been my mother.

In Las Vegas, during the shooting, an unarmed security guy went to the room of the shooter and knocked it to silence the killer. The madman shot may be two hundred rounds through the door, the unarmed security guy stayed, messaged to the incoming police, and even if he was bleeding from being shot, he stayed to make sure they found the room. His actions probably interrupted the shooter, who then took his life. The shooting stopped. If the security guy did not interrupt him, the shooter might have continued for a lot more time than just the 10 minutes he made hell for the innocent people at the show.

Jesus Campos says he just did his job... But he is a great example of what I have seen during my numerous travels to USA. They stand up for each other and support each others, just like the police on the concert ground in Las Vegas.

So while we are surprised by the number of guns the mad shooter was having, it should be possible to agree on the fact that 99.99% of all Americans are not violent, they take care of each other just like we all try to do the best for our closest. No madman and no terrorist will ever destroy or change an open and well functioning democracy like USA. That is for sure.

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MileHigh
America with all its faults is still the greatest country in the world.