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There's the biggest problem of that GNR era - those albums SUCKED. They sucked so bad they passed out from sucking.
Really?
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Check the list : the only CDs I would still listen to today are the UYI volumes.
"You Could Be Mine" "Locomotive" Dust'n Bones" "Estranged" "The Garden" "Double Talkin' Jive" are the jewels of that crown.
They (Axl?) made one mistake : wanting to include pre-AFD material that should have been ditched (like "Back Off Bitch" ).
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They have more than enough material to put on a 2hour show as the UYI albums are both double albums so they have over three hours of original material.
There's the biggest problem of that GNR era - those albums SUCKED. They sucked so bad they passed out from sucking.
Had they edited the shit out of those two double albums they could've had a somewhat decent single album of possibly up to 10-12 tracks.
So if you're suggesting that they have plenty of tracks for a decent set list, the only part about it is the number of songs they could play and seeing that most of the USE YOUR ILLUSION tracks suck, the set list would be a rip off to fans if it consisted mostly of UYI sucking songs.
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They have more than enough material to put on a 2hour show as the UYI albums are both double albums so they have over three hours of original material.
There's the biggest problem of that GNR era - those albums SUCKED. They sucked so bad they passed out from sucking.
Had they edited the shit out of those two double albums they could've had a somewhat decent single album of possibly up to 10-12 tracks.
So if you're suggesting that they have plenty of tracks for a decent set list, the only part about it is the number of songs they could play and seeing that most of the USE YOUR ILLUSION tracks suck, the set list would be a rip off to fans if it consisted mostly of UYI sucking songs.
I do agree they have some filler but I also disagree they suck.
Each of those albums sold over 9 million copies apiece and the band sold out stadiums and arenas on the 91-93 UYI tour.
If you look a the setlists from the UYI tours they played most of AFD and select songs from the UYI and Lies albums and had over 2 hour sets.
I also belong to a GnR forum and when they do polls the UYI albums run neck and neck with AFD for fan favorite.
I respect your right to think the UYI albums suck but fans of the band seem to love them and would want to hear them if they reunite.
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They have more than enough material to put on a 2hour show as the UYI albums are both double albums so they have over three hours of original material.
There's the biggest problem of that GNR era - those albums SUCKED. They sucked so bad they passed out from sucking.
Had they edited the shit out of those two double albums they could've had a somewhat decent single album of possibly up to 10-12 tracks.
So if you're suggesting that they have plenty of tracks for a decent set list, the only part about it is the number of songs they could play and seeing that most of the USE YOUR ILLUSION tracks suck, the set list would be a rip off to fans if it consisted mostly of UYI sucking songs.
I do agree they have some filler but I also disagree they suck.
Each of those albums sold over 9 million copies apiece and the band sold out stadiums and arenas on the 91-93 UYI tour.
If you look a the setlists from the UYI tours they played most of AFD and select songs from the UYI and Lies albums and had over 2 hour sets.
I also belong to a GnR forum and when they do polls the UYI albums run neck and neck with AFD for fan favorite.
I respect your right to think the UYI albums suck but fans of the band seem to love them and would want to hear them if they reunite.
Well the GNR fans SUCK!!!!!!! They have bad taste!
Did you mean they want to hear UYI 1 and 2 if GNR gets back together? Yikes.
I was floored. I bought both issues of UYI. Civil War and You Could Be Mine were promising - those tunes were killer. I thought, Great! They've taken that energy and heaviness of AFD and expanded on it.
WRONG. Matt Sorum deflated that band, as technically great of a drummer that he is. He was a big reason why those albums sound so sterile: there was no emotion in the drumming. And shitty songs with emotionless drums really helps to suck.
Within a month of buying UYI 1 and 2 I got rid of them. Just way too much bad music on it. If GNR fans love those albums then that says something (even with their thin discography, too much of a bad thing is still too much of a bad thing). I get it's not much different than Stones fans liking DIRTY WORK but... most Stones fans were smart and didn't buy that album or if they did they know it sucks. There are also 20 some other LPs to listen to that are better.
And DW didn't sell 9 or 18 million copies (that blows my mind that those albums sold that well) like UYI 1 and 2 did.
I remember listening to those albums and half of it sounded like 'Hey, we have money now, we can record anything we want', especially lame song arrangements. Some of it does indeed sound like they were recording just for the sake of recording. And a hand full were way over the top produced, especially Vomitember Rain and Live And Let Die.
That was Guns'N'F'ing Roses??????
A quadruple DIRTY WORK!!!
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Ideally, UYI should have been a single disk, with the same producers of Appetite.
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Boognish
pepganzo, nothing from Chinese Democracy?
Could you imagine, a reunited Guns N' Roses are rehearsing and Axl says to the other guys "hey, Let's try something off of Chinese Democracy!". To be a fly on the wall...
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I had always suspected that Axl was trying to clone the 89 Stones tour setup, which is a real shame.
I saw them multiple times from 88 through 93, and could not believe how with each show they became even more bloated.
When Use Your Illusion came out, I was really into it. In hindsight, it is so dated and mostly garbage. Big overdone sound, big production. The songs mostly aren't strong. Ideally, UYI should have been a single disk, with Steven Adler, and the same producers of Appetite.
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pepganzo, nothing from Chinese Democracy?
Could you imagine, a reunited Guns N' Roses are rehearsing and Axl says to the other guys "hey, Let's try something off of Chinese Democracy!". To be a fly on the wall...
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They have more than enough material to put on a 2hour show as the UYI albums are both double albums so they have over three hours of original material.
There's the biggest problem of that GNR era - those albums SUCKED. They sucked so bad they passed out from sucking.
I do agree they have some filler but I also disagree they suck.
Each of those albums sold over 9 million copies apiece and the band sold out stadiums and arenas on the 91-93 UYI tour.
If you look a the setlists from the UYI tours they played most of AFD and select songs from the UYI and Lies albums and had over 2 hour sets.
I also belong to a GnR forum and when they do polls the UYI albums run neck and neck with AFD for fan favorite.
I respect your right to think the UYI albums suck but fans of the band seem to love them and would want to hear them if they reunite.
Well the GNR fans SUCK!!!!!!! They have bad taste!
Too each his own Gas. I know people who think the Stones suck so go figure.
I don't think the UYI albums suck but for me they were a let down after AFD.
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I also agree with you about Sorum as I find him to be a bit of a basher so never liked him in Guns or even The Cult, another of my favorite bands, for that matter.
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GasLightStreet
I saw The Cult twice on their SONIC TEMPLE tours. Sorum just bashed. It was lethargically heavy.
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dcba
I think Slash's always been jealous of Izzy. His writing skills, his closeness to Alan Niven, his coolness, his street cred (while Slash was born with a silver spoon in his mouth).
Slash built himself a rock star Izzy was one naturally. And if Slash had two working brain cells he would have done anything to prevent Izzy from leaving in 1991.
Instead he probably thought "good riddance man now it's my band musically speaking. Now let's hire a "yes man" for the tour and I'll put my own songs on the next album! POWER IS MINE!!!".)
A marvellous plan aka "how to kill the golden hen". And you had to be a bit of a mean prick to erase Izzy guitar parts from the "Spaghetti Incident", right?
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I had always suspected that Axl was trying to clone the 89 Stones tour setup, which is a real shame.
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I had always suspected that Axl was trying to clone the 89 Stones tour setup, which is a real shame.
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tempesta was also with rob zombie at one point right?
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tempesta was also with rob zombie at one point right?
John Tempesta was the drummer for White Zombie at the end of the band's career and worked with Rob Zombie, among other groups. He's been with The Cult since 2006 - the longest tenure of any other musician in that band.