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I see it as a little better than that. I credit them two great albums. One for Appetite, 1/2 for Lies (the acoustic stuff and 1/2 for Use Your Illusion (maybe three-quarters even).

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Imho the difference between AFD and UYI is for the former the producer (Mike Clink) told them what to do in the studio. For the latter they told Mike Clink what to do... like including lame songs from the early days of the band (such as "Back Off Bitch").

If Clink had managed to have the final word, the UYI albums would have been better (and shorter).

Agreed. I don't know who to blame, but your explanation sounds solid.

You could fill an entire album with songs from Use Your Illusion that should have never been released. And they did.

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They are one of my favorite bands of all time.

Yes I just bought tix for $250 a piece. Don't care. Arena show to see Slash and Axl on the same stage for the legitmate first time since 1993? I'm there.

I'd be a little bit more embarrassed about it but seriously, people here and all over the world pay that frequently just to see the Stones. I affordably go see shows so that when something huge like this comes around, I can justify it.

Probably is a bit of a cash grab, but still nothing will top that anticipation. Also, the first Vegas show is on Izzy's birthday and he lives in that area. I have to imagine its gonna be special.

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They are one of my favorite bands of all time.

Yes I just bought tix for $250 a piece. Don't care. Arena show to see Slash and Axl on the same stage for the legitmate first time since 1993? I'm there.

I'd be a little bit more embarrassed about it but seriously, people here and all over the world pay that frequently just to see the Stones. I affordably go see shows so that when something huge like this comes around, I can justify it.

Probably is a bit of a cash grab, but still nothing will top that anticipation. Also, the first Vegas show is on Izzy's birthday and he lives in that area. I have to imagine its gonna be special.

You made a good call to buy in. Don't pay the slightest attention anyone naysaying.

This will be a historic show no matter what happens... and I guarantee even the naysayers will be waiting with baited breath to read about how it goes... and you will be seeing it live.

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Again, I'm not judging anyone for how they feel. Even I don't quite know how they feel. But the complaints that "its a cash grab" and "they don't even have good albums" is way off base. There is demand, and even if thats for what album it shows how much they made an impact. And when we talk cash grab, you have to talk jokingly here, because we all know the Stones have been that for 20 years. So as long as thats out in the open...

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Again, I'm not judging anyone for how they feel. Even I don't quite know how they feel. But the complaints that "its a cash grab" and "they don't even have good albums" is way off base. There is demand, and even if thats for what album it shows how much they made an impact. And when we talk cash grab, you have to talk jokingly here, because we all know the Stones have been that for 20 years. So as long as thats out in the open...

I too make no judgments but I'm genuinely puzzled that an adult would want to see them perform or still be interested in their music. Same applies to KISS I suppose. I was part of the KISS army as a 10 y/o but I outgrew them. I still recognize them as talented songwriters/performers but I don't - or only very rarely - listen to their music anymore. Am I wrong to assume that most KISS army kids have long since deserted? Am I wrong to assume that the music of the Stones is more 'mature?'

I was in university when GNR was at the height of their popularity and I was a qualified fan. I mean they had some good songs, and Slash was a lot better than he had to be, but I always felt vaguely silly drunkenly singing along to Paradise City with my friends. After sobering up in my twenties, GNR joined KISS, the Bay City Rollers and the Osmonds as bands I had simply outgrown. But I've never outgrown the Stones. I ask again: Am I wrong in thinking the music of the Stones is more 'mature' than say that of KISS or GNR?

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Stuff like "I Just Want To See His Face" is utterly useless and I don't know how someone could argue otherwise. And I am constantly told "its all part of the album" and "it wouldn't be Exile without everything thats on there".

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Again, I'm not judging anyone for how they feel. Even I don't quite know how they feel. But the complaints that "its a cash grab" and "they don't even have good albums" is way off base. There is demand, and even if thats for what album it shows how much they made an impact. And when we talk cash grab, you have to talk jokingly here, because we all know the Stones have been that for 20 years. So as long as thats out in the open...

I too make no judgments but I'm genuinely puzzled that an adult would want to see them perform or still be interested in their music. Same applies to KISS I suppose. I was part of the KISS army as a 10 y/o but I outgrew them. I still recognize them as talented songwriters/performers but I don't - or only very rarely - listen to their music anymore. Am I wrong to assume that most KISS army kids have long since deserted? Am I wrong to assume that the music of the Stones is more 'mature?'

I was in university when GNR was at the height of their popularity and I was a qualified fan. I mean they had some good songs, and Slash was a lot better than he had to be, but I always felt vaguely silly drunkenly singing along to Paradise City with my friends. After sobering up in my twenties, GNR joined KISS, the Bay City Rollers and the Osmonds as bands I had simply outgrown. But I've never outgrown the Stones. I ask again: Am I wrong in thinking the music of the Stones is more 'mature' than say that of KISS or GNR?

I think it doesn't really matter which band is more "mature." Most people will say that listening to rock music generally and going to rock concerts is for teenagers and when grown-ups do it, it is juvenile, no matter if it is The Stones, Kiss or whoever. I don't care, I still like it. And so if RollingFreak enjoys it, good for him and it is useless to speculate how "mature" The Stones are compared to G n'R. How mature is to sing Satisfaction at 73? Do we care?

Anyway, with this reunion, like with pretty much any other, we see the value of the brand. For G n'R the tickets can be ridiculously expensive and they wil sell out quickly, no matter how much they ask. Just 3 months ago I saw Slash with Myles Kennedy in a small sports hall for a very reasonable price. The hall was not even sold out. I had no problem getting right to the front of the stage. Great concert actually, Slash was great and Myles Kennedy blew me away. He sings way better than Axel no doubt and he seems like a really nice guy. Plus the band was great too. But, as I wrote, they have difficulties selling out reasonably priced tickets. Put the right label on it and people will be buying overpriced tickets like crazy.

The best example of this that I have witnessed was the Queen + Lambert. Everyone knows it was 1/2 of Queen (and yes, there can not be any Queen without Mercury) + that singer... I don't know what word to use not to be rude... he was just the most terrible thing I have ever seen at a concert... But I went to see them, since I wanted to see May and Taylor. And they were both great actually, but trying to ignore that... well, Lambert, was a difficult job. Anyway, what I want to say is that they had absolutely no problem with selling out arenas wherever they went, just because the word "Queen" was on the tickets. May is actually returning to our country again this year, but it doesn't say Queen on the tickets and the tickets don't sell pretty much at all.

Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger chose a different approach - I don't know kow much it was sincere and how much it was due to the law suit with Densmore :-), but it was exactly the same case as with Queen - half of the band without the singer. But they didn't print The Doors on the tickets, it was actually billed as "Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger of The Doors." The tickets here were about 35E and they were supposed to play that small arena that I saw Slash in. They had to move the gig into a club, because the tickets didn't sell. I am sure if it was just The Doors printed on the tickets, they would sell out the big O2 arena without any problem and nobody would complain, since I think that the Manzarek / Krieger combo was very well comparable with May / Taylor, only Ray and Robby had waaay better singer, who actually did a great job. Isn't it sad?

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Again, I'm not judging anyone for how they feel. Even I don't quite know how they feel. But the complaints that "its a cash grab" and "they don't even have good albums" is way off base. There is demand, and even if thats for what album it shows how much they made an impact. And when we talk cash grab, you have to talk jokingly here, because we all know the Stones have been that for 20 years. So as long as thats out in the open...

I too make no judgments but I'm genuinely puzzled that an adult would want to see them perform or still be interested in their music. Same applies to KISS I suppose. I was part of the KISS army as a 10 y/o but I outgrew them. I still recognize them as talented songwriters/performers but I don't - or only very rarely - listen to their music anymore. Am I wrong to assume that most KISS army kids have long since deserted? Am I wrong to assume that the music of the Stones is more 'mature?'

I was in university when GNR was at the height of their popularity and I was a qualified fan. I mean they had some good songs, and Slash was a lot better than he had to be, but I always felt vaguely silly drunkenly singing along to Paradise City with my friends. After sobering up in my twenties, GNR joined KISS, the Bay City Rollers and the Osmonds as bands I had simply outgrown. But I've never outgrown the Stones. I ask again: Am I wrong in thinking the music of the Stones is more 'mature' than say that of KISS or GNR?

I think it doesn't really matter which band is more "mature." Most people will say that listening to rock music generally and going to rock concerts is for teenagers and when grown-ups do it, it is juvenile, no matter if it is The Stones, Kiss or whoever. I don't care, I still like it. And so if RollingFreak enjoys it, good for him and it is useless to speculate how "mature" The Stones are compared to G n'R. How mature is to sing Satisfaction at 73? Do we care?

Anyway, with this reunion, like with pretty much any other, we see the value of the brand. For G n'R the tickets can be ridiculously expensive and they wil sell out quickly, no matter how much they ask. Just 3 months ago I saw Slash with Myles Kennedy in a small sports hall for a very reasonable price. The hall was not even sold out. I had no problem getting right to the front of the stage. Great concert actually, Slash was great and Myles Kennedy blew me away. He sings way better than Axel no doubt and he seems like a really nice guy. Plus the band was great too. But, as I wrote, they have difficulties selling out reasonably priced tickets. Put the right label on it and people will be buying overpriced tickets like crazy.

The best example of this that I have witnessed was the Queen + Lambert. Everyone knows it was 1/2 of Queen (and yes, there can not be any Queen without Mercury) + that singer... I don't know what word to use not to be rude... he was just the most terrible thing I have ever seen at a concert... But I went to see them, since I wanted to see May and Taylor. And they were both great actually, but trying to ignore that... well, Lambert, was a difficult job. Anyway, what I want to say is that they had absolutely no problem with selling out arenas wherever they went, just because the word "Queen" was on the tickets. May is actually returning to our country again this year, but it doesn't say Queen on the tickets and the tickets don't sell pretty much at all.

Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger chose a different approach - I don't know kow much it was sincere and how much it was due to the law suit with Densmore :-), but it was exactly the same case as with Queen - half of the band without the singer. But they didn't print The Doors on the tickets, it was actually billed as "Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger of The Doors." The tickets here were about 35E and they were supposed to play that small arena that I saw Slash in. They had to move the gig into a club, because the tickets didn't sell. I am sure if it was just The Doors printed on the tickets, they would sell out the big O2 arena without any problem and nobody would complain, since I think that the Manzarek / Krieger combo was very well comparable with May / Taylor, only Ray and Robby had waaay better singer, who actually did a great job. Isn't it sad?

They didn't, but that was because Densmore sued them. They called themselves The Doors Of The 21st Century, though, until Densmore sued again, that is. Eventually, they became Riders Of The Storm.

On the first shows they were presented as «The Doors». On TV shows as well.

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Again, I'm not judging anyone for how they feel. Even I don't quite know how they feel. But the complaints that "its a cash grab" and "they don't even have good albums" is way off base. There is demand, and even if thats for what album it shows how much they made an impact. And when we talk cash grab, you have to talk jokingly here, because we all know the Stones have been that for 20 years. So as long as thats out in the open...

I too make no judgments but I'm genuinely puzzled that an adult would want to see them perform or still be interested in their music. Same applies to KISS I suppose. I was part of the KISS army as a 10 y/o but I outgrew them. I still recognize them as talented songwriters/performers but I don't - or only very rarely - listen to their music anymore. Am I wrong to assume that most KISS army kids have long since deserted? Am I wrong to assume that the music of the Stones is more 'mature?'

I was in university when GNR was at the height of their popularity and I was a qualified fan. I mean they had some good songs, and Slash was a lot better than he had to be, but I always felt vaguely silly drunkenly singing along to Paradise City with my friends. After sobering up in my twenties, GNR joined KISS, the Bay City Rollers and the Osmonds as bands I had simply outgrown. But I've never outgrown the Stones. I ask again: Am I wrong in thinking the music of the Stones is more 'mature' than say that of KISS or GNR?

I think it doesn't really matter which band is more "mature." Most people will say that listening to rock music generally and going to rock concerts is for teenagers and when grown-ups do it, it is juvenile, no matter if it is The Stones, Kiss or whoever. I don't care, I still like it. And so if RollingFreak enjoys it, good for him and it is useless to speculate how "mature" The Stones are compared to G n'R. How mature is to sing Satisfaction at 73? Do we care?

Anyway, with this reunion, like with pretty much any other, we see the value of the brand. For G n'R the tickets can be ridiculously expensive and they wil sell out quickly, no matter how much they ask. Just 3 months ago I saw Slash with Myles Kennedy in a small sports hall for a very reasonable price. The hall was not even sold out. I had no problem getting right to the front of the stage. Great concert actually, Slash was great and Myles Kennedy blew me away. He sings way better than Axel no doubt and he seems like a really nice guy. Plus the band was great too. But, as I wrote, they have difficulties selling out reasonably priced tickets. Put the right label on it and people will be buying overpriced tickets like crazy.

The best example of this that I have witnessed was the Queen + Lambert. Everyone knows it was 1/2 of Queen (and yes, there can not be any Queen without Mercury) + that singer... I don't know what word to use not to be rude... he was just the most terrible thing I have ever seen at a concert... But I went to see them, since I wanted to see May and Taylor. And they were both great actually, but trying to ignore that... well, Lambert, was a difficult job. Anyway, what I want to say is that they had absolutely no problem with selling out arenas wherever they went, just because the word "Queen" was on the tickets. May is actually returning to our country again this year, but it doesn't say Queen on the tickets and the tickets don't sell pretty much at all.

Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger chose a different approach - I don't know kow much it was sincere and how much it was due to the law suit with Densmore :-), but it was exactly the same case as with Queen - half of the band without the singer. But they didn't print The Doors on the tickets, it was actually billed as "Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger of The Doors." The tickets here were about 35E and they were supposed to play that small arena that I saw Slash in. They had to move the gig into a club, because the tickets didn't sell. I am sure if it was just The Doors printed on the tickets, they would sell out the big O2 arena without any problem and nobody would complain, since I think that the Manzarek / Krieger combo was very well comparable with May / Taylor, only Ray and Robby had waaay better singer, who actually did a great job. Isn't it sad?

They didn't, but that was because Densmore sued them. They called themselves The Doors Of The 21st Century, though, until Densmore sued again, that is. Eventually, they became Riders Of The Storm.

On the first shows they were presented as «The Doors». On TV shows as well.

Yeap, I am aware of all those names - they were all used before I saw them, which was in 2010 and 2011, when they were really billed as "Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger of The Doors." Anyway, it was really sad to see them in the small club (well, it was great for me of course, but not so much for them I guess, since their intention was to play a bigger venue), only because of the name. That was in 2011. I saw them in rather bigger venue (about 4.000 people) in 2010. They were reallly great, I am happy I had the chance to see them and be really close - in the first row both times - almost on the stage :-)

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They are one of my favorite bands of all time.

Yes I just bought tix for $250 a piece. Don't care. Arena show to see Slash and Axl on the same stage for the legitmate first time since 1993? I'm there.

I'd be a little bit more embarrassed about it but seriously, people here and all over the world pay that frequently just to see the Stones. I affordably go see shows so that when something huge like this comes around, I can justify it.

Probably is a bit of a cash grab, but still nothing will top that anticipation. Also, the first Vegas show is on Izzy's birthday and he lives in that area. I have to imagine its gonna be special.

You made a good call to buy in. Don't pay the slightest attention anyone naysaying.

This will be a historic show no matter what happens... and I guarantee even the naysayers will be waiting with baited breath to read about how it goes... and you will be seeing it live.

Thank you. Not that I'm saying I'm right. There are many things I'm wrong about! I myself am kind of on the fence about the tour. But if I don't do it I'll never know. There are plenty of times I blow off concerts cause I am unsure. I never saw the Eagles on their latest tour cause I didn't know if it was worth the money. Now Glenn Frey is dead and I can never go back and change that. So I got the opportunity here and I will take it. Could be the best show ever or it could get canceled right before it starts, but either way it will be memorable.

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GNR was always something of a train-wreck. Even when they had it "together"

I look forward to this. Hopefully Axl sheds the pounds and get some sort of hair transplant. I think I'll end up going and make a weekend of it in Vegas.

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They are one of my favorite bands of all time.

Yes I just bought tix for $250 a piece. Don't care. Arena show to see Slash and Axl on the same stage for the legitmate first time since 1993? I'm there.

I'd be a little bit more embarrassed about it but seriously, people here and all over the world pay that frequently just to see the Stones. I affordably go see shows so that when something huge like this comes around, I can justify it.

Probably is a bit of a cash grab, but still nothing will top that anticipation. Also, the first Vegas show is on Izzy's birthday and he lives in that area. I have to imagine its gonna be special.

You made a good call to buy in. Don't pay the slightest attention anyone naysaying.

This will be a historic show no matter what happens... and I guarantee even the naysayers will be waiting with baited breath to read about how it goes... and you will be seeing it live.

Thank you. Not that I'm saying I'm right. There are many things I'm wrong about! I myself am kind of on the fence about the tour. But if I don't do it I'll never know. There are plenty of times I blow off concerts cause I am unsure. I never saw the Eagles on their latest tour cause I didn't know if it was worth the money. Now Glenn Frey is dead and I can never go back and change that. So I got the opportunity here and I will take it. Could be the best show ever or it could get canceled right before it starts, but either way it will be memorable.

Right there is the BEST reason to go. It is not like getting married, having a baby, moving to a new city, getting a divorce or anything mega-life changing... it is about dropping a bit of money to do something fun... it is going to a freekin concert. GET IT WHILE THE GETTING IS GOOD!!! Ignore the debatingnaysayingcashgrablabbingBSers.

GET IT WHILE THE GETTING IS GOOD!!

If it sucks, who cares and oh well....
But if it awesome and the beginning of a great comeback you were there when it started. You cant lose!! And with Slash and Duff there you can be assured of some great guitar and bass. Those guys are great!

ROCK AND ROLL!!!

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Was it with Astbury on vocals?

No, no. Astbury was really their best "cover" singer. I saw them with Miljenko Matijevic in 2010 and with Dave Brock in 2011. Matijevic was good, Brock was better. Not like Astbury, but both did the difficult job very well.

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They are one of my favorite bands of all time.

Yes I just bought tix for $250 a piece. Don't care. Arena show to see Slash and Axl on the same stage for the legitmate first time since 1993? I'm there.

I'd be a little bit more embarrassed about it but seriously, people here and all over the world pay that frequently just to see the Stones. I affordably go see shows so that when something huge like this comes around, I can justify it.

Probably is a bit of a cash grab, but still nothing will top that anticipation. Also, the first Vegas show is on Izzy's birthday and he lives in that area. I have to imagine its gonna be special.

You made a good call to buy in. Don't pay the slightest attention anyone naysaying.

This will be a historic show no matter what happens... and I guarantee even the naysayers will be waiting with baited breath to read about how it goes... and you will be seeing it live.

Thank you. Not that I'm saying I'm right. There are many things I'm wrong about! I myself am kind of on the fence about the tour. But if I don't do it I'll never know. There are plenty of times I blow off concerts cause I am unsure. I never saw the Eagles on their latest tour cause I didn't know if it was worth the money. Now Glenn Frey is dead and I can never go back and change that. So I got the opportunity here and I will take it. Could be the best show ever or it could get canceled right before it starts, but either way it will be memorable.

Right there is the BEST reason to go. It is not like getting married, having a baby, moving to a new city, getting a divorce or anything mega-life changing... it is about dropping a bit of money to do something fun... it is going to a freekin concert. GET IT WHILE THE GETTING IS GOOD!!! Ignore the debatingnaysayingcashgrablabbingBSers.

GET IT WHILE THE GETTING IS GOOD!!

If it sucks, who cares and oh well....
But if it awesome and the beginning of a great comeback you were there when it started. You cant lose!! And with Slash and Duff there you can be assured of some great guitar and bass. Those guys are great!

ROCK AND ROLL!!!

Totally. Listen, I'm biased. I've been following Slash since the breakup. Not everyone has. He has never burned me once. His band Slash's Snakepit was great. His second album with them Ain't Life Grand is still one of the best unknown albums of all time IMO. Loved his playing in Velvet Revolver.

I saw one of the first shows he did with his solo band. Before they were even gonna tour, he was just doing like one or two dates to get out there, and it turned into his Conspirators band. So I really have been there since the start with those guys, and love the band they've become. Loved the last two records, even if it is a bit generic. They still put on a kick ass live show and for my money the best live band for the price they charge out there these days. On top of the fact that they are the nicest human beings on the face of the earth.

So I've just been a champion of Slash's. I've seen his solo band 10 times, and thats because its reasonably priced and he never lets me down. I'm wary of his intentions with this reunion. After following him, it seems completely unlike him to agree. Is he doing it for the money just cause of the divorce? I don't know. But he's never let me down before so his presence gives me faith its the real thing. And whether its a cash grab or not, when he walks out with that guitar opening night in Vegas playing Jungle, nothing is gonna matter. He'll play great. Axl will be a wild card, but again I just have to have faith in Slash that he knows what he's doing. This whole "reunion" thing has been a long time coming for me, especially since I've followed Slash so closely, so to finally see him up on the stage where he belongs, if they put a $250 price tag on that I'll swing it somehow.

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Saturday night in Las Vegas will be a @#$%& blast.

These three main guys are the draw, no doubt.
Of course I'm hoping for an Izzy appearance and Steven too and if that happens...
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@RollingFreak Comparing 'Use Your Illusion' to 'Exile On Main St' is like comparing Marilyn Manson to David Bowie. But to each his own (bad taste).