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With due respect all the posts seem to be on the demand side of the equation. I work for a publically traded company and all of our business is generated through a public RFP bidding process.

Many of our contracts are in excess of $50 million annually. Once we win an award there is usually a substantial startup cost for implementation. In many cases 10% to 20% of the first year gross. This doesn’t include a performance bond equal to one year of our cost of goods. Meaning what we would pay our sub-contractors.

If you plug those factors in what is obviously a first class run tour. I don't think the ticket prices are that far off the mark. You also have to factor in seats that don’t sell.

Multiplying the ticket cost by the number of seats and then dividing it by the band member is just stupid.

As I see it, the cat bird seat is having the ability of being over 50. Smoking dope all your life and bitching about ticket cost and corporate bonuses. When in actuality you haven’t a clue of economics and how the real world works.

If someone is offended they should stay home. Voice their opinion by not buying a seat rather than going on some diatribe when the only thing being accomplished is showing ignorance.

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So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

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donvis
So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.

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Once again. I agree with both of you. Still I hope my common knowledge in English gives me the grace to explain this issue in the best way.

So many people here are argueing about real fans and not real fans. But is a real fan only real when he is whining that Mick Taylor doesn't play guitar like in 73 and that Ronnie is not the best play and at last he's the poorest but the most real fan?
Sorry but somebody has missed something then. It seems that a lot of people have missed the last forty years.
But is a fan who has managed to have a good job good income or somebody who saved up only for the concerts and sets priorities a lesser fan?
30 years ago I was able to camp the night before in front of the arenas or stadiums to be front row. Today I am done with that and either go to a concert by paying these (which I agree) insulting ticket prices to have priority or I stay at home.

Of course I do feel sorry for people who can't go because they lost job or other dramatical situations in life occured. However most of the people set so many priorities which are not feasable on a normal payday role. 30 years ago you didn't have a notebook, mobile phone, HD TV and other reputed unnecessairy gadgets which sound to make you life easier but add on the monthly bill. It is all on us to reduce or maximize the cost of living. Thus brings you in a situation to purchase or not purchase a ticket for whomever.

And at then end you can gamble with the 85$ Tickets.

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So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.

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So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.

RIGHT ON!!!

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So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.

RIGHT ON!!!

Nailed it.

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donvis
So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.

RIGHT ON!!!

Nailed it.

What about those who cannot afford $100000+ cars or $3000 Superbowl tickets?

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A long history, a desperate grab for dollars when you are already rich, the Vegas act to keep them afloat. Dedicated fans priced out of your "Lost Youth and Offensive Greed Tour." Yeah, Mick, you were a considered a genius in the '90s with your "Virtual Corporation," but this time you were too greedy and really put a bad taste in your audience's mouth. The dumbest move ever and you tarnished your legacy. Hope the additional money you don't need was worth the bad faith. You and your band suck. And I have been a dedicated fan since 1976 when I was 14-years-old. GOD - YOU GUYS ARE GREEDY BASTARDS and POSEURS! YOUR ABOUT AS DANGEROUS AS A BOX OF DEPENDS....@#$%&!

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A long history, a desperate grab for dollars when you are already rich, the Vegas act to keep them afloat. Dedicated fans priced out of your "Lost Youth and Offensive Greed Tour." Yeah, Mick, you were a considered a genius in the '90s with your "Virtual Corporation," but this time you were too greedy and really put a bad taste in your audience's mouth. The dumbest move ever and you tarnished your legacy. Hope the additional money you don't need was worth the bad faith. You and your band suck. And I have been a dedicated fan since 1976 when I was 14-years-old. GOD - YOU GUYS ARE GREEDY BASTARDS and POSEURS! YOUR ABOUT AS DANGEROUS AS A BOX OF DEPENDS....@#$%&!

You sound like a very "dedicated fan". Congratulations.

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So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

Well a thousand dollar painting isn't a memory, it's mine to enjoy whenever, and frankly, if you can afford multiple shows, I'm not even sure your in the Stones demographic! Lol More of a Sir Elton or Sir Paul.....not dirty gritty angry Stones people. Not being malicious, but consider it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.

RIGHT ON!!!

Nailed it.

What about those who cannot afford $100000+ cars or $3000 Superbowl tickets?

Insert illustration. Take it for its proper purpose and intention. I think the post is clear. This is not some argument for an elitist position.

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same ol' same ol' — "Thousands" of $85 Tickets - latest news!"

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Between the first two segments of their last tour ['05-'07] there were only 6-days, here, bv is talking 2-1/2 months! SOME re-grouping. Just maybe about the damage done over tix prices?

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same ol' same ol' — "Thousands" of $85 Tickets - latest news!"

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What makes you think the Stones will be setting the prices for their tickets?

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What makes you think the Stones will be setting the prices for their tickets?

jazzbass —

You're not really suggesting that they have no role in this, are you? They do in deciding on proposal(s) that will be accepted, the terms and conditions of which, are not carved in stone, but rather, are subject to negotiation.

If you'll go back to the early reactions to the pricing levels, the self-inflicted damage to their brand on account of this, was swift and pronounced.

They have an opportunity to rehabilitate from that, rather than continue with the damage control of "Thousands" of $85 Tickets - latest news!" Which road will they take,...? Do you doubt that the decision to continue with a world tour is being made without addressing the blowback from the tixs pricing?

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They do know for a fact that mainland Europe will not pay anywhere near the US and UK prices. Anything priced more than 100-200 Euro will stay unsold, except for a few VIP's that is. Just see the price levels of the previous tours and add the "vintage factor"...

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They do know for a fact that mainland Europe will not pay anywhere near the US and UK prices. Anything priced more than 100-200 Euro will stay unsold, except for a few VIP's that is. Just see the price levels of the previous tours and add the "vintage factor"...