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Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by: steverogan ()
Date: May 3, 2013 15:11

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GADAWG
With due respect all the posts seem to be on the demand side of the equation. I work for a publically traded company and all of our business is generated through a public RFP bidding process.

Many of our contracts are in excess of $50 million annually. Once we win an award there is usually a substantial startup cost for implementation. In many cases 10% to 20% of the first year gross. This doesn’t include a performance bond equal to one year of our cost of goods. Meaning what we would pay our sub-contractors.

If you plug those factors in what is obviously a first class run tour. I don't think the ticket prices are that far off the mark. You also have to factor in seats that don’t sell.

Multiplying the ticket cost by the number of seats and then dividing it by the band member is just stupid.

As I see it, the cat bird seat is having the ability of being over 50. Smoking dope all your life and bitching about ticket cost and corporate bonuses. When in actuality you haven’t a clue of economics and how the real world works.

If someone is offended they should stay home. Voice their opinion by not buying a seat rather than going on some diatribe when the only thing being accomplished is showing ignorance.


I find your post rather amusing and condescending. Ignorance masked in an apparent display of arrogance. This tour has missed the mark on many key business fundamentals. And to begin with, comparing your business/industry to a stones tour seems like a reach but let me respond.
1. Know your customer/market- the stones THINK they know their customer. They are living in the past while their customers, now in the 40s-80's are living in today's present economic climate. The stones are charging premium prices based on their prime as a band. They are past their prime and have lost many customers to death without growing a younger audience with the $ to be able to, or to be willing to, buy a ticket.

2. Pricing: $600 for a ticket, $1,500 to stand in a pit, $2,000 for VIP packages targeting their core users was, at best poor judgement. The poor sales have shown this. The customers have complained since day one about the prices. If the ticket prices are not "that far off the mark" then why such a glut on the market now? Why drop prices to $85, and then, after more poor sales, offer the $85 tix again? Poor read of the market, its ability and/or willingness to pay. The stones are getting a first- hand look at what happens about price elasticity and what happens when pricing goes beyond it. People have been offended and ARE staying home..

3. Promotion: The promotion for the tour has been lame. Just looking at the pre tour videos on their website with MJ, et. al. Look at the poor editing done on the one minute video from the secret gig the other night. Promoting outrageously priced VIP packages is a common tactic; they would have sold more, I think, had they offered a meet and greet. Once again they are living in the past.

4.Distribution of shows: No show(s) in NYC? Are you kidding me? I know MSG has playoff games but it seem to have always been a top demand ticket on all their tours and this tour they decide not to do MSG?

5. Product- the shows in 2012 offered a few changes to the usual format of a Stones show but overall the product is staid and tired- 20 songs, 16 we have heard 1000 times, 1 or 2 new songs, and one or 2 rarely played tunes.
The guys played decently in 2012. I saw the PPV and it was ok. Not great. OK.

I could go on and on but would like to comment on this:

"As I see it, the cat bird seat is having the ability of being over 50. Smoking dope all your life and bitching about ticket cost and corporate bonuses. When in actuality you haven’t a clue of economics and how the real world works."

This remark shows me just how highly you value your own opinion and have not been informed about THIS particular marketing mess. I have no problem with people smoking weed nor others in corporations who receive large bonuses WHEN those bonuses are earned and not scammed. I am sure you have read of all the corruption on Wall Street, Banking, etc., I have a problem with those executives who were bailed out by the government receiving bonuses.

Customers do have a right to complain... the lack of sales has sent a loud message..Many on the board do know how the real world works--- LOOK at the results of selling tix at the prices listed above. We know what value is and is not. And we certainly can go to TM and pull up 8 tix for any show on the tour indicating that, unlike previous tours, tickets are not only available, but tour managers have had to resort to deep discounts to get fannies in the seats and, hopefully get them to buy a $50 shirt.

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: crawdaddy ()
Date: May 3, 2013 17:25

edit cos it was wrong thread.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-03 17:28 by crawdaddy.

Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by: clance65 ()
Date: May 3, 2013 19:23

Quote
donvis
So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.

Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: May 3, 2013 19:40

Why should anybody but the "die hard fan" (and who's even proud to be it!) bother to see Rolling Stones anymore?
If the prices were more human, somebody who were just curious could do that. But with these prices, Rolling Stones themselves admit that they have nothing to really show; it's just the memories and "emotions" old fans have of the band that makes them so "big". It's quite sad really.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-03 19:42 by Erik_Snow.

Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: May 3, 2013 19:41

Connors v. McEnroe


(I've taken Borg out of it)

Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: May 3, 2013 19:55

Come to think of it, the ticket-prices of RS *should* have actually been LOWER now compared to 1989, 1994.....not to mention the 70s. They should just be happy there's still people there interested in hearing the same things again and over again.....which is quite unbelievable, actually.

Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by: Kurt ()
Date: May 3, 2013 20:36

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clance65
Quote
donvis
So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.


RIGHT ON!!!
thumbs up

Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by: RSbestbandever ()
Date: May 3, 2013 20:53

Quote
Grison
Once again. I agree with both of you. Still I hope my common knowledge in English gives me the grace to explain this issue in the best way.

So many people here are argueing about real fans and not real fans. But is a real fan only real when he is whining that Mick Taylor doesn't play guitar like in 73 and that Ronnie is not the best play and at last he's the poorest but the most real fan?
Sorry but somebody has missed something then. It seems that a lot of people have missed the last forty years.
But is a fan who has managed to have a good job good income or somebody who saved up only for the concerts and sets priorities a lesser fan?
30 years ago I was able to camp the night before in front of the arenas or stadiums to be front row. Today I am done with that and either go to a concert by paying these (which I agree) insulting ticket prices to have priority or I stay at home.

Of course I do feel sorry for people who can't go because they lost job or other dramatical situations in life occured. However most of the people set so many priorities which are not feasable on a normal payday role. 30 years ago you didn't have a notebook, mobile phone, HD TV and other reputed unnecessairy gadgets which sound to make you life easier but add on the monthly bill. It is all on us to reduce or maximize the cost of living. Thus brings you in a situation to purchase or not purchase a ticket for whomever.

And at then end you can gamble with the 85$ Tickets.

Bravo, a voice of reason amongst the naysayers. Well said Grison, well said indeed. Your post should be mandatory reading for those complainers who always seem to think their reasoning overrides everyone else's.

Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by: RSbestbandever ()
Date: May 3, 2013 20:56

Quote
clance65
Quote
donvis
So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.

Whoooooohoooooooooo, post of the month, maybe the year. A standing ovation for Clance65, well said indeed.

Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by: uhbuhgullayew ()
Date: May 3, 2013 21:01

Quote
Kurt
Quote
clance65
Quote
donvis
So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.


RIGHT ON!!!
thumbs up

Nailed it. thumbs up

Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by: firebird ()
Date: May 3, 2013 21:18

Quote
uhbuhgullayew
Quote
Kurt
Quote
clance65
Quote
donvis
So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.


RIGHT ON!!!
thumbs up

Nailed it. thumbs up

What about those who cannot afford $100000+ cars or $3000 Superbowl tickets?

Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by: clance65 ()
Date: May 4, 2013 21:57

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firebird
Quote
uhbuhgullayew
Quote
Kurt
Quote
clance65
Quote
donvis
So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.


RIGHT ON!!!
thumbs up

Nailed it. thumbs up

What about those who cannot afford $100000+ cars or $3000 Superbowl tickets?

Insert illustration. Take it for its proper purpose and intention. I think the post is clear. This is not some argument for an elitist position.

They blew it....
Posted by: Spodlumt ()
Date: May 17, 2013 06:05

A long history, a desperate grab for dollars when you are already rich, the Vegas act to keep them afloat. Dedicated fans priced out of your "Lost Youth and Offensive Greed Tour." Yeah, Mick, you were a considered a genius in the '90s with your "Virtual Corporation," but this time you were too greedy and really put a bad taste in your audience's mouth. The dumbest move ever and you tarnished your legacy. Hope the additional money you don't need was worth the bad faith. You and your band suck. And I have been a dedicated fan since 1976 when I was 14-years-old. GOD - YOU GUYS ARE GREEDY BASTARDS and POSEURS! YOUR ABOUT AS DANGEROUS AS A BOX OF DEPENDS....@#$%&!

Re: They blew it....
Posted by: Markdog ()
Date: May 17, 2013 06:26

Almost troll sounding....

Re: They blew it....
Posted by: longlongwinter ()
Date: May 17, 2013 06:26

you need therapy

Re: They blew it....
Posted by: clance65 ()
Date: May 17, 2013 07:37

Quote
Spodlumt
A long history, a desperate grab for dollars when you are already rich, the Vegas act to keep them afloat. Dedicated fans priced out of your "Lost Youth and Offensive Greed Tour." Yeah, Mick, you were a considered a genius in the '90s with your "Virtual Corporation," but this time you were too greedy and really put a bad taste in your audience's mouth. The dumbest move ever and you tarnished your legacy. Hope the additional money you don't need was worth the bad faith. You and your band suck. And I have been a dedicated fan since 1976 when I was 14-years-old. GOD - YOU GUYS ARE GREEDY BASTARDS and POSEURS! YOUR ABOUT AS DANGEROUS AS A BOX OF DEPENDS....@#$%&!

You sound like a very "dedicated fan". Congratulations.

Re: They blew it....
Posted by: sonomastone ()
Date: May 17, 2013 07:39

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clance65
Quote
Spodlumt
A long history, a desperate grab for dollars when you are already rich, the Vegas act to keep them afloat. Dedicated fans priced out of your "Lost Youth and Offensive Greed Tour." Yeah, Mick, you were a considered a genius in the '90s with your "Virtual Corporation," but this time you were too greedy and really put a bad taste in your audience's mouth. The dumbest move ever and you tarnished your legacy. Hope the additional money you don't need was worth the bad faith. You and your band suck. And I have been a dedicated fan since 1976 when I was 14-years-old. GOD - YOU GUYS ARE GREEDY BASTARDS and POSEURS! YOUR ABOUT AS DANGEROUS AS A BOX OF DEPENDS....@#$%&!

You sound like a very "dedicated fan". Congratulations.

he does have a point about the depends...

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: slew ()
Date: May 17, 2013 07:53

Erik_Snow - I may have seen these songs played numerous times and I am not really defending the ticket prices but you know what? These so called "Warhorses" are why most of the people fell in love with the Rolling Stones. Mot many artists have songs like the Stones do. I for one am going to see them played one last time. I do think this is it for the Stones and none of us will be happy when they can no longer be played by the Stones. We should enjoy them while we can.

Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by: Thrylan ()
Date: May 17, 2013 08:02

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clance65
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firebird
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uhbuhgullayew
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Kurt
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clance65
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donvis
So I am a sheep for paying that? On the other hand you couldn't pay ME to go to Bruce Springsteen!

Thank you. I find it offensive as well, that I'm some "sheep" for paying the high ticket price.


I don't understand why some people pay thousands of dollars for artwork that sits on a wall. They must really admire it.

Well a thousand dollar painting isn't a memory, it's mine to enjoy whenever, and frankly, if you can afford multiple shows, I'm not even sure your in the Stones demographic! Lol More of a Sir Elton or Sir Paul.....not dirty gritty angry Stones people. Not being malicious, but consider it.

I don't understand why people, with knowledge that the house always wins, will drop thousands of dollars in a casino slot machine, but it must be fun for them.

I don't understand why or how some cars are $100,000+ and others are half that and less, that seem to do the same thing, but the people that pay for the former have their reasons.

I don't get why my friend paid $3000 for a Superbowl ticket, while I watched it on a very large TV screen, but he brings up that game every chance he gets, with a huge smile on his face.

I don't know why, when I take my wife and kids to Mothers Day Brunch a week from Sunday, it costs nearly triple what it would this Sunday, for mostly the same food. We'll all be happy and mom will be thrilled.

I am 47, the first new lp I ever bought with my own (allowance) money was Some Girls. I was hooked. I drew the tongue logo on my PeeChee folders, my shoes, on everything. I hung the posters in my room. I imitated Mick Jagger in the mirror, and goofing around with friends. I was there on release day for Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You. Calling into the local radio station I requested their songs. My friends would coax me to go on stage and sing "Satisfaction" at high school dances, with the band. I lined up for tickets on the 81' tour. I haven't missed a tour since (shows 36, 37, 38 coming up). I've played Stones music in my car, in my home, on my walkman, in my room, on turntables, on my iPod, on my old portable 8 track player, on cd, on cassette, on SACD, on bluray audio, on vinyl. I still have posters in my room...and bobble dobbles, and signed photos, and sealed vinyl records, and playing cards, pins, games, blankets, tour books, mugs, prints, books, coasters, glasses, jackets, shirts, belt buckles, tattoos on my body, stickers, license plate frames, backstage laminates, ticket stubs, etc....

Most of all, I have memories. I'm not trying to prove what a fan I am. There are many others like me. That's the beauty of it, that I share being a fanatic with so many, I've witnessed that my whole life. The joy that The Rolling Stones have brought me throughout my life has never subsided. If they toured every year for the past 6 years and charged half the price they are now, it would have cost me a lot more, and I would've paid it.

There is no sense in trying to "defend" high ticket prices for me. However, I will defend my reason for paying it. I'm not a sheep. I love The Rolling Stones, and know why I'm paying it.

So, for the art collector, gambler, car buyer, Superbowl attendee, and fine restaurant goer, you have your reasons, but probably haven't had to post your defense on a "fan" board lately.


RIGHT ON!!!
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Nailed it. thumbs up

What about those who cannot afford $100000+ cars or $3000 Superbowl tickets?

Insert illustration. Take it for its proper purpose and intention. I think the post is clear. This is not some argument for an elitist position.

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: May 17, 2013 21:48

Ooh
Daddy you're a fool to buy
You're a fool to buy

Tixs Pricing 2013-2014 — revised, or,....?
Posted by: PeanutGallery ()
Date: June 29, 2013 07:26

same ol' same ol' — "Thousands" of $85 Tickets - latest news!"

Peanut
PeanutGallery

Re: Tixs Pricing 2013-2014 — revised, or,....?
Posted by: PeanutGallery ()
Date: June 29, 2013 07:50

Between the first two segments of their last tour ['05-'07] there were only 6-days, here, bv is talking 2-1/2 months! SOME re-grouping. Just maybe about the damage done over tix prices?

Peanut
PeanutGallery


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PeanutGallery
same ol' same ol' — "Thousands" of $85 Tickets - latest news!"

Peanut
PeanutGallery

Re: Tixs Pricing 2013-2014 — revised, or,....?
Posted by: jazzbass ()
Date: June 29, 2013 07:53

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PeanutGallery
Between the first two segments of their last tour ['05-'07] there were only 6-days, here, bv is talking 2-1/2 months! SOME re-grouping. Just maybe about the damage done over tix prices?

Peanut
PeanutGallery


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PeanutGallery
same ol' same ol' — "Thousands" of $85 Tickets - latest news!"

Peanut
PeanutGallery

What makes you think the Stones will be setting the prices for their tickets?

Re: Tixs Pricing 2013-2014 — revised, or,....?
Posted by: PeanutGallery ()
Date: June 29, 2013 15:58

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jazzbass
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What makes you think the Stones will be setting the prices for their tickets?


jazzbass —

You're not really suggesting that they have no role in this, are you? They do in deciding on proposal(s) that will be accepted, the terms and conditions of which, are not carved in stone, but rather, are subject to negotiation.

If you'll go back to the early reactions to the pricing levels, the self-inflicted damage to their brand on account of this, was swift and pronounced.

They have an opportunity to rehabilitate from that, rather than continue with the damage control of "Thousands" of $85 Tickets - latest news!" Which road will they take,...? Do you doubt that the decision to continue with a world tour is being made without addressing the blowback from the tixs pricing?

Peanut
PeanutGallery

Re: Tixs Pricing 2013-2014 — revised, or,....?
Posted by: JumpinJeppeFlash ()
Date: June 29, 2013 16:36

Pit will be about $1500 for upcoming shows in Europe.

Re: Tixs Pricing 2013-2014 — revised, or,....?
Posted by: bv ()
Date: June 29, 2013 16:40

They do know for a fact that mainland Europe will not pay anywhere near the US and UK prices. Anything priced more than 100-200 Euro will stay unsold, except for a few VIP's that is. Just see the price levels of the previous tours and add the "vintage factor"...

Bjornulf

Re: Tixs Pricing 2013-2014 — revised, or,....?
Posted by: jazzbass ()
Date: June 29, 2013 17:19

Quote
PeanutGallery
Quote
jazzbass
...

What makes you think the Stones will be setting the prices for their tickets?


jazzbass —

You're not really suggesting that they have no role in this, are you? They do in deciding on proposal(s) that will be accepted, the terms and conditions of which, are not carved in stone, but rather, are subject to negotiation.

If you'll go back to the early reactions to the pricing levels, the self-inflicted damage to their brand on account of this, was swift and pronounced.

They have an opportunity to rehabilitate from that, rather than continue with the damage control of "Thousands" of $85 Tickets - latest news!" Which road will they take,...? Do you doubt that the decision to continue with a world tour is being made without addressing the blowback from the tixs pricing?

Peanut
PeanutGallery

I don't disagree with much of this. However, they will get proposals, or bids rather for the tour. (Probably have them already on the table) Do you think they will choose a bid that is not the highest? After that point, it's up to the promoter to price the tickets at a point they think will sell. Whether or not the promoter learned anything after the the North America ticket fiasco is another discussion.

Re: Tixs Pricing 2013-2014 — revised, or,....?
Posted by: Powerage ()
Date: June 30, 2013 23:29

VIP buy tickets now ? Come on... tongue sticking out smiley

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bv
They do know for a fact that mainland Europe will not pay anywhere near the US and UK prices. Anything priced more than 100-200 Euro will stay unsold, except for a few VIP's that is. Just see the price levels of the previous tours and add the "vintage factor"...

Re: Tixs Pricing 2013-2014 — revised, or,....?
Posted by: Grison ()
Date: July 1, 2013 00:00

Here it Comes again! The Story of the priceless question of the ticket Prices.
Just a thought Tina demanded in Germany around 260 Euros for a lot of seats in the house which was somehow 4 years ago. She charged even less in Switzerland (around CHF 220). I can't recall the VIP ticket Prices.

Anyway I go along with BV, but I am pretty sure if the ticketagencies can handle it with th 85$ tickets they will do a mix of both:
So € 250-350 for the best seats in the house and less for others plus the Bonus of like 60-80 Euros Special ones.
I know from the People who handled the VIP Thing in the US that it is quite realistic that they will handle such tickets in Europe as well. However there might be a different lineup of VIP tickets this time.

Re: Tixs Pricing 2013-2014 — revised, or,....?
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: July 1, 2013 00:29

Quote
bv
They do know for a fact that mainland Europe will not pay anywhere near the US and UK prices. Anything priced more than 100-200 Euro will stay unsold, except for a few VIP's that is. Just see the price levels of the previous tours and add the "vintage factor"...

In arenas ? Doesn't look like the price was too big of an issue for the O2 shows...

It shouldn't be a problem for them to charge around €250 for "Golden Circle" (that's a pretty big area these days) tickets, Leonard Cohen did that at Bercy (or almost, €177.50 I think) and it was packed.

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