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I disagree with the sentiment that the Stones should have retired when they were young. The fact of the matter is the Stones can still deliver the goods live as well as any band in the world. I am also more than ok with them making a healthy profit from their tours...What I do have a problem with is the way they are treating their fans with theses absurd $625 tickets at the opposite end of the arena...Their lackluster sales of those seats seems to indicate the majority of people feel the same way I do and are refusing to be taken advantage of no matter how much they love the band.
That's why you have to play them with your headphones on. Now you're out 500 bucks!
It's worth it - Please think about this- In other words - Let's take one single sporting event for example -
$45 for a decent seat (maybe more)
$20 dollars for parking
$50 for concessions (beer, peanuts, etc..)
That's over a hundred dollars per event. The Stones only play periodaclly every three or four years. It pales in comparison. And this maybe their last tour because of life expectancy itself.
Hopefully, this reasoning is legit.
They could have avoided the secondary market issue by using a paperless ticketing system like many other acts have done, and which they are using for the 85 dollar seats. The secondary market argument is a red herring.
A paperless ticketing system? Does that mean you can no longer attend a concert unless you have a credit card?
If so, I'd rather just stay home and look at DVDs than contribute to the usury of the plastic money industry.
it's like electronic tickets at the airport. show up, enter your code, they compare against your ID, etc.don't know if they do it with tickets, but many airlines will send a scannable code to your cell phone, so you can just present your cell phone with the image on it, and they'll scan you right in.
That's exactly how it works. Sonomastone, I am 100% with you re: credit cards but that's the only choice these days with Ticketmaster anyways.
I'm not aware of any direct cash option.
Well said!
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Re: So happy that not a single show has sold out due to the Rolling Stones greed!
Posted by:
James Kirk
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Date: April 21, 2013 14:53
Quote
Eleanor RigbyQuote
VT22
Abba turned down a Billion offer to reunite several years ago.
‘We will never appear on stage again.
Money is not a factor and we would like people to remember us as we were – young, exuberant and full of energy and ambition.’
Björn Ulvaeus.
To me, the Stones should have thought the same.
so true....
I disagree with the sentiment that the Stones should have retired when they were young. The fact of the matter is the Stones can still deliver the goods live as well as any band in the world. I am also more than ok with them making a healthy profit from their tours...What I do have a problem with is the way they are treating their fans with theses absurd $625 tickets at the opposite end of the arena...Their lackluster sales of those seats seems to indicate the majority of people feel the same way I do and are refusing to be taken advantage of no matter how much they love the band.
Re: So happy that not a single show has sold out due to the Rolling Stones greed!
Posted by:
Whale
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Date: April 21, 2013 15:17
I'm very happy they didn't.Quote
Eleanor RigbyQuote
VT22
Abba turned down a Billion offer to reunite several years ago.
‘We will never appear on stage again.
Money is not a factor and we would like people to remember us as we were – young, exuberant and full of energy and ambition.’
Björn Ulvaeus.
To me, the Stones should have thought the same.
so true....
Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by:
Chris Fountain
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Date: April 21, 2013 15:34
I will pay the some $1000 or more dollars to see them in Miami/Ft Lauderdale - It would be only $500 or more - but my wife is now a diehard Stones fan -
From a previous bv post -I'm sure there will be a Southern US leg to this tour later this year in his words.
C
From a previous bv post -I'm sure there will be a Southern US leg to this tour later this year in his words.
C
Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: April 21, 2013 15:41
Quote
Chris Fountain
I will pay the some $1000 or more dollars to see them in Miami/Ft Lauderdale - It would be only $500 or more - but my wife is now a diehard Stones fan -
From a previous bv post -I'm sure there will be a Southern US leg to this tour later this year in his words.
C
That's why you have to play them with your headphones on. Now you're out 500 bucks!
Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by:
Chris Fountain
()
Date: April 21, 2013 15:51
Quote
treaclefingersQuote
Chris Fountain
I will pay the some $1000 or more dollars to see them in Miami/Ft Lauderdale - It would be only $500 or more - but my wife is now a diehard Stones fan -
From a previous bv post -I'm sure there will be a Southern US leg to this tour later this year in his words.
C
That's why you have to play them with your headphones on. Now you're out 500 bucks!
It's worth it - Please think about this- In other words - Let's take one single sporting event for example -
$45 for a decent seat (maybe more)
$20 dollars for parking
$50 for concessions (beer, peanuts, etc..)
That's over a hundred dollars per event. The Stones only play periodaclly every three or four years. It pales in comparison. And this maybe their last tour because of life expectancy itself.
Hopefully, this reasoning is legit.
Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by:
atip
()
Date: April 21, 2013 16:17
If no one has complained about airfares, let me add it to the list. A minor inconvenience if you're going to a single show, but a pain in the pocketbook if you're trying to hit several. 
Re: So happy that not a single show has sold out due to the Rolling Stones greed!
Posted by:
andrewt
()
Date: April 21, 2013 18:32
I agree.Quote
Doxa
If we look the logic of secondary market argument, what there really is? The fact they have recognized that certain amount of tickets go to scalpers/secondary market who make a nice sum out of that. That is to say: someone else is making profits of their shows, and they think - reasonably - that it is wrong: that money belongs to them.
The solution? Well, let's put the ticket prices so high and insane that there simply isn't demand any longer ouside the "normal" routes. Anyone who is willing to use an insane amount of money to concert can have it by a normal route. The "cost" is that the shows will be not sold out, but hey, all the money goes to "right" hands, and if an arena is 70% of whole capacity that's much more in cash than a sold out show with lower ticket prices.
But what does teh whole thing look like for a normal fan/ticket purchaser? How he will "gain" from the "solution"? The premise of the argument is that all the ticket buyers are using the secondary market in purchasing the ticket. Which is not true. For example, I have always bought the tickets via normal route - sometimes it had been more difficult but still I more or less got them. Now that is not possible. Now to get a decent ticket I need to pay as much or even more than the greedy secondary market hacks were asking before.
So the only winners in the "solution" are The Stones and their partners - they supposedly get all the money, and I guess they should feel proud of it (and in a way, that sounds just from their point of view). But we customers are paying the price for that "rightness". They surely aren't doing it "for fans" - it is the war between them and the secondary market. We - the fans - are the losers in the band getting their "equal" share (all) of the cake. So they do it for "us"? Oh yeah...
Isn't it funny that thanks to their heroic, non-egoistic battle against scalpers for us, I need to pay now some two/three times more for a ticket than I did before? ><
- Doxa
They could have avoided the secondary market issue by using a paperless ticketing system like many other acts have done, and which they are using for the 85 dollar seats. The secondary market argument is a red herring.
Re: So happy that not a single show has sold out due to the Rolling Stones greed!
Posted by:
Wendy
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Date: April 22, 2013 01:21
You may buy the Knebworth 76 commemorative set with all the live music from the festival (6 CDs and 3 DVDs) plus all the memorabilia from www.rockmusicmemorabilia.com
Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by:
Wendy
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Date: April 22, 2013 01:27
Still available the Knebworth commemorative set with all the live music from the festival - 6 CDs and 4 DVDs from www.rockmuscimemorabilia.com
Re: So happy that not a single show has sold out due to the Rolling Stones greed!
Posted by:
stonehearted
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Date: April 22, 2013 05:25
Quote
andrewt
They could have avoided the secondary market issue by using a paperless ticketing system like many other acts have done, and which they are using for the 85 dollar seats. The secondary market argument is a red herring.
A paperless ticketing system? Does that mean you can no longer attend a concert unless you have a credit card?
If so, I'd rather just stay home and look at DVDs than contribute to the usury of the plastic money industry.
Re: So happy that not a single show has sold out due to the Rolling Stones greed!
Posted by:
sonomastone
()
Date: April 22, 2013 05:48
Quote
stoneheartedQuote
andrewt
They could have avoided the secondary market issue by using a paperless ticketing system like many other acts have done, and which they are using for the 85 dollar seats. The secondary market argument is a red herring.
A paperless ticketing system? Does that mean you can no longer attend a concert unless you have a credit card?
If so, I'd rather just stay home and look at DVDs than contribute to the usury of the plastic money industry.
it's like electronic tickets at the airport. show up, enter your code, they compare against your ID, etc.don't know if they do it with tickets, but many airlines will send a scannable code to your cell phone, so you can just present your cell phone with the image on it, and they'll scan you right in.
Re: So happy that not a single show has sold out due to the Rolling Stones greed!
Posted by:
whitem8
()
Date: April 22, 2013 11:08
You know it is a hard one. I am excited for everyone who is going. And I am still a massive fan. I know what others and BV have said rationalizing the costs. However, I still fall back on how this entire thing about the ticket prices and overblown prices seems to have sullied their rep. Now all the talk has shifted from a celebration of their 50 years together and the amzing history of the band is now ending on MONEY. High ticket prices, and crass comercialism. This is why it has seemed to sullied their history. They always have been criticised for their high ticket prices, but this is beyond the scope of anything in their history or the history of live music. I also see why some folks are really upset, they are seemingly going to a more back to basices approach, not such a huge show of effects, and focus more on the music. And this costs more because?
Like I have said, I am still a huge fan, excited for the folks who are going (I still might try to go), but keeping in mind the cost of travel combined with the cost of tickets makes this a massively expensive rock and roll adventure that seems to be more exclusive than it should be.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-04-22 11:09 by whitem8.
Like I have said, I am still a huge fan, excited for the folks who are going (I still might try to go), but keeping in mind the cost of travel combined with the cost of tickets makes this a massively expensive rock and roll adventure that seems to be more exclusive than it should be.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-04-22 11:09 by whitem8.
Re: So happy that not a single show has sold out due to the Rolling Stones greed!
Posted by:
andrewt
()
Date: April 22, 2013 16:24
Quote
sonomastoneQuote
stoneheartedQuote
andrewt
They could have avoided the secondary market issue by using a paperless ticketing system like many other acts have done, and which they are using for the 85 dollar seats. The secondary market argument is a red herring.
A paperless ticketing system? Does that mean you can no longer attend a concert unless you have a credit card?
If so, I'd rather just stay home and look at DVDs than contribute to the usury of the plastic money industry.
it's like electronic tickets at the airport. show up, enter your code, they compare against your ID, etc.don't know if they do it with tickets, but many airlines will send a scannable code to your cell phone, so you can just present your cell phone with the image on it, and they'll scan you right in.
That's exactly how it works. Sonomastone, I am 100% with you re: credit cards but that's the only choice these days with Ticketmaster anyways.
I'm not aware of any direct cash option.
Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by:
uhbuhgullayew
()
Date: April 22, 2013 17:11
other complaints thread
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Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: April 22, 2013 17:43
Excellent post, whitem8. I couldn't agree with you more.
Re: So happy that not a single show has sold out due to the Rolling Stones greed!
Posted by:
James Kirk
()
Date: April 24, 2013 04:22
Quote
whitem8
You know it is a hard one. I am excited for everyone who is going. And I am still a massive fan. I know what others and BV have said rationalizing the costs. However, I still fall back on how this entire thing about the ticket prices and overblown prices seems to have sullied their rep. Now all the talk has shifted from a celebration of their 50 years together and the amzing history of the band is now ending on MONEY. High ticket prices, and crass comercialism. This is why it has seemed to sullied their history. They always have been criticised for their high ticket prices, but this is beyond the scope of anything in their history or the history of live music. I also see why some folks are really upset, they are seemingly going to a more back to basices approach, not such a huge show of effects, and focus more on the music. And this costs more because?
Like I have said, I am still a huge fan, excited for the folks who are going (I still might try to go), but keeping in mind the cost of travel combined with the cost of tickets makes this a massively expensive rock and roll adventure that seems to be more exclusive than it should be.
Well said!
I am a die hard RS fan and I REFUSE to pay $600+ for seats at the opposite end of the arena
Posted by:
James Kirk
()
Date: May 2, 2013 17:51
I'm sorry, but anyone who pays $600+ to essentially watch a video screen at the opposite end of the arena needs their head examined. Is it any wonder that these shows aren't selling?
Given the Rolling Stones iconic status they should be able to charge a premium for the great seats, but in their own greed they are charging a premium for nearly every seat. I'm sorry, but it's simply not worth it to me (and I can easily afford it) to pay $1,251 for two seats an arena away.
I should mention that I just paid $120 for pretty decent seats to see Paul Mcartney at Fenway Park. $240 is an acceptable amount of money to pay for my wife and I to spend on a concert. $1,251 for some of the worst seats in the house is not.
Rolling Stones fandom is in open rebellion against the CEO...Uh, I mean the lead singer of the band for charging these prices. I say we tell the Stones to go to hell by refusing to pay these prices. Let them play to empty arenas. They deserve it!!!
Given the Rolling Stones iconic status they should be able to charge a premium for the great seats, but in their own greed they are charging a premium for nearly every seat. I'm sorry, but it's simply not worth it to me (and I can easily afford it) to pay $1,251 for two seats an arena away.
I should mention that I just paid $120 for pretty decent seats to see Paul Mcartney at Fenway Park. $240 is an acceptable amount of money to pay for my wife and I to spend on a concert. $1,251 for some of the worst seats in the house is not.
Rolling Stones fandom is in open rebellion against the CEO...Uh, I mean the lead singer of the band for charging these prices. I say we tell the Stones to go to hell by refusing to pay these prices. Let them play to empty arenas. They deserve it!!!
Re: I am a die hard RS fan and I REFUSE to pay $600+ for seats at the opposite end of the arena
Posted by:
Elmo Lewis
()
Date: May 2, 2013 18:04
Preach on, Brother ..... I mean Captain!
Scotty
Scotty
In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by:
donvis
()
Date: May 2, 2013 16:01
I know this won't be popular but personally I have no problem with the high ticket prices. When I go to see the Stones I like to be down in front, on Keith's side. I want to see their faces. I want to see how they work as a band. I want to see when Keith gives the signal to end the song. Going through Ticketmaster is a bitch. The best available are usually way back. So the only way to go is to a ticket broker. I live in Nebraska and have to travel to shows, therefore I can't wait for prices to drop etc since it involves time off from work, transportation, and hotel in advance. Ticket brokers will often charge maybe $2000 a ticket for first ten rows, right side of stage. These shows have the tongue pit package for $1500 in the VIP presale.You are essentially paying an extra $700 for a goodie bag, but there is early admission and you are not fighting eighteen thousand other people for a ticket. Yes it's alot of money. But I am not paying $1000's to a ticket broker who may cheat you with a xeroxed barcode ticket. I had no problem getting a ticket to Newark or the 2 shows I am going to this time with this system. It takes all the anxiety out of planning. And if your $85 ticket gets upgraded that's fine with me. Good for you. OK let the slings and arrows begin!
Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by:
andrewt
()
Date: May 2, 2013 16:14
I can see how it makes sense in your situation. That's a specific set of circumstances, in general though, the pricing is out-of-touch with reality
Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by:
ROPENI
()
Date: May 2, 2013 16:19
Well donvis l guess you have been blessed with lots of money to spare,but for us common folks,what they are charging is obscene in these times,anyway enjoy the show..
"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"
"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"
Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by:
admorgan
()
Date: May 2, 2013 16:23
It's ok to pay more for a decent seat, but maybe $250, not $600 to be guaranteed that.
Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by:
Harm
()
Date: May 2, 2013 16:25
Quote
admorgan
It's ok to pay more for a decent seat, but maybe $250, not $600 to be guaranteed that.
Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by:
donvis
()
Date: May 2, 2013 16:26
If I am going to travel clear across the country anyway I might as well go the extra amount and scrimp on other things. I would go to every show if I could but I have to work and pay bills also. But when your kids are grown it is more affordable. And this may be The Last Time. I don't know!
Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by:
Grison
()
Date: May 2, 2013 16:29
Once again. I agree with both of you. Still I hope my common knowledge in English gives me the grace to explain this issue in the best way.
So many people here are argueing about real fans and not real fans. But is a real fan only real when he is whining that Mick Taylor doesn't play guitar like in 73 and that Ronnie is not the best play and at last he's the poorest but the most real fan?
Sorry but somebody has missed something then. It seems that a lot of people have missed the last forty years.
But is a fan who has managed to have a good job good income or somebody who saved up only for the concerts and sets priorities a lesser fan?
30 years ago I was able to camp the night before in front of the arenas or stadiums to be front row. Today I am done with that and either go to a concert by paying these (which I agree) insulting ticket prices to have priority or I stay at home.
Of course I do feel sorry for people who can't go because they lost job or other dramatical situations in life occured. However most of the people set so many priorities which are not feasable on a normal payday role. 30 years ago you didn't have a notebook, mobile phone, HD TV and other reputed unnecessairy gadgets which sound to make you life easier but add on the monthly bill. It is all on us to reduce or maximize the cost of living. Thus brings you in a situation to purchase or not purchase a ticket for whomever.
And at then end you can gamble with the 85$ Tickets.
So many people here are argueing about real fans and not real fans. But is a real fan only real when he is whining that Mick Taylor doesn't play guitar like in 73 and that Ronnie is not the best play and at last he's the poorest but the most real fan?
Sorry but somebody has missed something then. It seems that a lot of people have missed the last forty years.
But is a fan who has managed to have a good job good income or somebody who saved up only for the concerts and sets priorities a lesser fan?
30 years ago I was able to camp the night before in front of the arenas or stadiums to be front row. Today I am done with that and either go to a concert by paying these (which I agree) insulting ticket prices to have priority or I stay at home.
Of course I do feel sorry for people who can't go because they lost job or other dramatical situations in life occured. However most of the people set so many priorities which are not feasable on a normal payday role. 30 years ago you didn't have a notebook, mobile phone, HD TV and other reputed unnecessairy gadgets which sound to make you life easier but add on the monthly bill. It is all on us to reduce or maximize the cost of living. Thus brings you in a situation to purchase or not purchase a ticket for whomever.
And at then end you can gamble with the 85$ Tickets.
Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by:
drbryant
()
Date: May 2, 2013 16:34
I think that the tongue pit is actually the only fairly priced ticket in the entire arena for this tour. There is a value to being at the front of the stage, and based on experience, I think that the average price for a front row seat to a Stones show in the United States is around $1000 - $2000. Thus, from an economics perspective, the pit package isn't a "high" price; it's probably the only ticket that ISN'T a "high" price. It's the rest of the tickets in the arena that are priced "high", and the evidence is the fact that, well, they just don't sell.
I have no problem with ticket prices if they are in line with the demand in the market - that's economics. If demand equaled supply, then the price would be correct. The problem with AEG is that they clearly didn't know the market - and supply far outstrips demand for this tour.
[edit] I guess that the other fairly priced tickets are those in the $85 and $150 categories. Besides the tongue pit packages, for LA, these are the only tickets that actually sold out.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-02 16:35 by drbryant.
I have no problem with ticket prices if they are in line with the demand in the market - that's economics. If demand equaled supply, then the price would be correct. The problem with AEG is that they clearly didn't know the market - and supply far outstrips demand for this tour.
[edit] I guess that the other fairly priced tickets are those in the $85 and $150 categories. Besides the tongue pit packages, for LA, these are the only tickets that actually sold out.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-02 16:35 by drbryant.
Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by:
Rokyfan
()
Date: May 2, 2013 17:19
You see no problem with these ticket prices?
Check out the news reports that are starting today.
About how you can buy front row seats to any Stones show the day before.
How they have "jumped the shark."
It's just starting.
They have gravely wounded their legacy with this move. They have become a laughing stock because of this. Wait and see.
Check out the news reports that are starting today.
About how you can buy front row seats to any Stones show the day before.
How they have "jumped the shark."
It's just starting.
They have gravely wounded their legacy with this move. They have become a laughing stock because of this. Wait and see.
Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by:
donvis
()
Date: May 2, 2013 17:24
I'm not going to take time off work,fly to California and stay 2 nights at a hotel and THEN try to score tickets.
Re: In defense of high ticket prices
Posted by:
jazzbass
()
Date: May 2, 2013 17:31
I'm fine with the hight priced tickets too. Keeps out the riff raff the low priced tickets bring in. ><
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