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GumbootCloggeroo
bestfour, why are you disappointed? We've had SO MUCH given to us from the archives.
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GumbootCloggeroo
bestfour, why are you disappointed? We've had SO MUCH given to us from the archives.
>>SO MUCH << ? Even with big letters? Make that "hardly anything". Only the 2nd Brussels 1973 show and the video of Fort Worth 1978 was a treat. Rest has been available in almost the same quality on very wellknown bootlegs for ages. And the bootlegs aren't compressed to death either, so they're often favourable over the vault releases.
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GumbootCloggeroo
bestfour, why are you disappointed? We've had SO MUCH given to us from the archives.
>>SO MUCH << ? Even with big letters? Make that "hardly anything". Only the 2nd Brussels 1973 show and the video of Fort Worth 1978 was a treat. Rest has been available in almost the same quality on very wellknown bootlegs for ages. And the bootlegs aren't compressed to death either, so they're often favourable over the vault releases.
you forgot LA75 as another treat, as well as SG and EOMS bonus .... GYYO bonus ... but you are right concerning Tokyo90 and Hampton81 ....
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GumbootCloggeroo
bestfour, why are you disappointed? We've had SO MUCH given to us from the archives.
>>SO MUCH << ? Even with big letters? Make that "hardly anything". Only the 2nd Brussels 1973 show and the video of Fort Worth 1978 was a treat. Rest has been available in almost the same quality on very wellknown bootlegs for ages. And the bootlegs aren't compressed to death either, so they're often favourable over the vault releases.
you forgot LA75 as another treat, as well as SG and EOMS bonus .... GYYO bonus ... but you are right concerning Tokyo90 and Hampton81 ....
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bestfour, why are you disappointed? We've had SO MUCH given to us from the archives.
>>SO MUCH << ? Even with big letters? Make that "hardly anything". Only the 2nd Brussels 1973 show and the video of Fort Worth 1978 was a treat. Rest has been available in almost the same quality on very wellknown bootlegs for ages. And the bootlegs aren't compressed to death either, so they're often favourable over the vault releases.
you forgot LA75 as another treat, as well as SG and EOMS bonus .... GYYO bonus ... but you are right concerning Tokyo90 and Hampton81 ....
GYYYO bonus, yes that's true.
LA75 is real good, I know. But so is the audience recording of that show. It's the best audience recording ever, of the band
The bonus material on Exile and Some Girls, I left off on purpose. They're not good representations of those days. Most of us favours the boots from those sessions, which are authentic documents, without new affected vocals and lyrics. A couple of nice tunes in-between on the deluxe sets, that's true - but damn.....what a wasted opportunity.
BTW; even though getting 5-6 additional songs on GYYYO deluxe, it still left us wondering; why leave it at that? Other acts put out retrospective box-sets with several full concerts, for the hardcore fan to enjoy. ANyway, I didn't want to start up discussing GYYYO again, but saying that RS has given us ¨(or: made us fork out) "so much" from the vaults just doesn't make sense. Especially not since they haven't been productive in making new music, since ages. One studio album every fifth year.....one expect something more from the archieves to please the fanbase in such times.
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GumbootCloggerooThey signed with Universal, That's what happened. Forty Licks went out of print. That's what happened. The Stones need a new CURRENT compilation on the shelf for their new label because that's how the business is. That's what happened. Also, They're celebrating 50 years therefore they need a career-spanning compilation package on their new label. That's what happened.Quote
slew
Jesus H Christ:
Big Hits: High Tide and Green Grass
Big Hits Volume II Through the Past Darkly
Hot Rocks 1964-1971
More Hot Rocks Big Hits and Fazed Cookies
Made In the Shade
Sucking In the Seventies
Rewind
Jump Back
Forty Licks
That is just the US alone not to mention Rolled Gold, Time Waits For No one etc. I may be missing some as well.
Do we need this??? Will anyone buy it?? This is a joke what disappointing news. What the hell happened to this band???
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GumbootCloggeroo
bestfour, why are you disappointed? We've had SO MUCH given to us from the archives.
>>SO MUCH << ? Even with big letters? Make that "hardly anything". Only the 2nd Brussels 1973 show and the video of Fort Worth 1978 was a treat. Rest has been available in almost the same quality on very wellknown bootlegs for ages. And the bootlegs aren't compressed to death either, so they're often favourable over the vault releases.
you forgot LA75 as another treat, as well as SG and EOMS bonus .... GYYO bonus ... but you are right concerning Tokyo90 and Hampton81 ....
GYYYO bonus, yes that's true.
LA75 is real good, I know. But so is the audience recording of that show. It's the best audience recording ever, of the band
The bonus material on Exile and Some Girls, I left off on purpose. They're not good representations of those days. Most of us favours the boots from those sessions, which are authentic documents, without new affected vocals and lyrics. A couple of nice tunes in-between on the deluxe sets, that's true - but damn.....what a wasted opportunity.
BTW; even though getting 5-6 additional songs on GYYYO deluxe, it still left us wondering; why leave it at that? Other acts put out retrospective box-sets with several full concerts, for the hardcore fan to enjoy. ANyway, I didn't want to start up discussing GYYYO again, but saying that RS has given us ¨(or: made us fork out) "so much" from the vaults just doesn't make sense. Especially not since they haven't been productive in making new music, since ages. One studio album every fifth year.....one expect something more from the archieves to please the fanbase in such times.
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DandelionPowderman
We get a ton of archive releases, which I have enjoyed very much - WAY more than new albums.
We get two new songs, some shows this year, a possible "tour" next year AND a compilation.
Oh, and we get a 50th anniversay book, an art exhibition with unseen photos AND a documentary film.
I can't see why we need to be frustrated?
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Doxa
new music, the very thing this band actually is all about
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Silver Dagger
I'd say a good 90 per cent of Stones fans would settle for a simple, back to basics album of easy blues, country songs, reggae numbers and a few rockers - just doing what they do best without putting all that extra bullsht stadium gloss on it. Surely that is not beyond them.
It is so frustrating to see them still trying to compete for the younger rock market when they should be way beyond having to do that.
They will never generate the kind of sales they saw with Tattoo Year or Steel Wheels - forgive me if any more recent albums sold as well - so why don't they accept that and go for art over money. Surely any tour next year, with its spin off live album and DVDs will earn them enought anyway.
They were on the right track with Stripped - paring it all down to basically acoustics. If they could move that idea on and come up with some simple tunes -perhaps a mix of little known covers and self written songs they could possibly win back the critical - and public - acclaim that has been missing for so long.
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jamesjagger
Yesterday I listened to the new records by Ian Hunter, Bob Dylan, ZZ-Top.
All records sound good especially ZZ-Top. Rubin has made them sound so well.
But I don't think those albums are needed anymore. No outstanding songs. An ongoing repetition of what we all know already. If we wouldn't know their names nobody would care. Mark Knopfler even pulled out a double album which is I'm sorry to say an overall dull moment. The Stones are 70 years old guys and yes I also miss a highlight like waht they did in the 60s and eraly 70s. But frankly said I don't expect them to come up with something brilliant. I don't know an artist who has come up with something real remarkable after their career peak time.
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jamesjagger
Yesterday I listened to the new records by Ian Hunter, Bob Dylan, ZZ-Top.
All records sound good especially ZZ-Top. Rubin has made them sound so well.
But I don't think those albums are needed anymore. No outstanding songs. An ongoing repetition of what we all know already. If we wouldn't know their names nobody would care. Mark Knopfler even pulled out a double album which is I'm sorry to say an overall dull moment. The Stones are 70 years old guys and yes I also miss a highlight like waht they did in the 60s and eraly 70s. But frankly said I don't expect them to come up with something brilliant. I don't know an artist who has come up with something real remarkable after their career peak time.
After Wandering Spirit I hoped Rick would be involved with the Stones. I still do.
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Silver Dagger
I'd say a good 90 per cent of Stones fans would settle for a simple, back to basics album of easy blues, country songs, reggae numbers and a few rockers - just doing what they do best without putting all that extra bullsht stadium gloss on it. Surely that is not beyond them.
It is so frustrating to see them still trying to compete for the younger rock market when they should be way beyond having to do that.
They will never generate the kind of sales they saw with Tattoo Year or Steel Wheels - forgive me if any more recent albums sold as well - so why don't they accept that and go for art over money. Surely any tour next year, with its spin off live album and DVDs will earn them enought anyway.
They were on the right track with Stripped - paring it all down to basically acoustics. If they could move that idea on and come up with some simple tunes -perhaps a mix of little known covers and self written songs they could possibly win back the critical - and public - acclaim that has been missing for so long.
Something like this?
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Doxa
new music, the very thing this band actually is all about
The mistake is to think that this is what they are all about.
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Green Lady
I'm still trying to visualise a "spacegoat..." (sorry, Doxa, but it's a lovely typo).
I think a lot of people are angry with GRRR not because of what it is, but because of what it isn't. It isn't the new creative music that many people are still hoping for, even though around 50% of those people seem to have already decided that any new music will suck. Maybe it will suck, but I'd like the chance to hear it and decide for myself.
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Doxa
new music, the very thing this band actually is all about
The mistake is to think that this is what they are all about.
Of course, you are right here.
- Doxa
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Doxa
new music, the very thing this band actually is all about
The mistake is to think that this is what they are all about.
Of course, you are right here.
- Doxa
Actually, making new music is not what the Stones were all about in the beginning. They set out to be evangelists and spread the word about the generally underground rhythm and blues and blues. They then made some of the best pop music the world has ever scene - for me actually THE best.
It can also be argued that they also did not set any new trends with their free foray into psychedelia. For me they started making new music and setting their own agenda with Beggars Banquet but particularly with Let It Bleed which was an incredible blend of blues, r'n'b, country, rock and in You Can't Always Get What You Want a highly original folk/classical/ballad/rocker.
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marcovandereijk
To be honest, Doxa, I happen to grow more and more depressed after reading what you think.
(making a note to myself not to read any thoughts that Doxa is putting on this forum)
Let's turn up some good music and put our worried minds to rest.