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Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: tomk ()
Date: September 6, 2012 04:52

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[www.rollingstones.com]

The humour of this struck me this afternoon, hard to quantify of course, just walkng down the street today, thought of it and laughed, had to stifle it of course out in public and all that........................
thumbs up Fun is a good thing to have!!

Funny you should say that 'cause the same thing happened to me yesterday. I was walking down the street to do an errand and couldn't keep from laughing. I had tears in my eyes. All I had to do was keep thinking "the new compilation is called Grrr and there's a gorilla on the cover." I don't think that was the intended response the band wanted. Hey, if laughter's the best medicine, then I haven't felt this good in years.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 6, 2012 05:32

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The Exile and Some Girls outtakes where just for us.
This one is not.
By the way, my teenage daughter likes the cover.
Hope we all like the 2 new songs.

My teenage daughter wants this cover on a tee-shirt asap...this is target audience for this one, folks....

Well... maybe ole Mick is as smart as we (some of us) give him credit for... if/when groups attract the teenage girls (and their never ending flow of Mom and Dad's money) then they hit the jack pot... and The Stones probably wont do that by putting their faces on the cover.

Absolutely! You can bet that this was looked at from every possible angle. Pure marketing genius. A slick way to win over a whole new generation to the Mighty Stones. My 11 year old niece wants one too!

Not to mention the subliminal aspect of the King Kong like gorilla. King Kong rules the jungle. The Stones rule the jungle of rock 'n roll. Brilliant!

That's just Mick and Ronnie grooming the next generation of young models for when their current squeezes get too old for them.

Ouch!

Re: Grrr is a bad tite and it is not even an original idea
Date: September 6, 2012 05:40

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it does reflect the bands' current ability of @#$%ing over the fans quite properly though.

I think you are a bit ungrateful. Just my observation.

and exactly whay should i be grateful for sir?

You honestly don't know, do you? Sad.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 6, 2012 05:41

Well, I have to confess - after looking at the gorilla again and again, in the meantime I even prefer it to that stupid BtB lion.

And the GRRR seems to be like a new synonym for a good laugh!!!

Anyway I expected something more artistic and iconic. But I am more relaxed now and look forward to pleasing things to come. Stones are professionals and not to be underestimated. Hopefully I am right.

Re: Grrr is a bad tite and it is not even an original idea
Date: September 6, 2012 05:45

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it does reflect the bands' current ability of @#$%ing over the fans quite properly though.

I think you are a bit ungrateful. Just my observation.

and exactly whay should i be grateful for sir?

be GRRRateful!

Good one!thumbs up

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 6, 2012 05:50

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My friend Clint is really angry...he loves GRR and he is tired of complainers...


He has just told me so in a web conference we have just have.

Clint, tell us about complainers...


I know the feeling well.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: September 6, 2012 05:59

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My friend Clint is really angry...he loves GRR and he is tired of complainers...


He has just told me so in a web conference we have just have.

Clint, tell us about complainers...


I know the feeling well.

Someone needs to add laser beam eyes to the end of that... BOOM!!!

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Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: llongdong ()
Date: September 6, 2012 06:02

Soooo sad to see this. Mick, I can see doing this. Selling out. Keith, where were ya when the decision to do this was made???

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Midnight Toker ()
Date: September 6, 2012 06:08

The secret Stones meetings yielded this? WTF? I should have had no expectations, but I did.

The CD cover should have had a constipated 70 year old sitting
on the bowel. "GRRRRRRRRRRR" Pass the Lysol and eat more prunes.
Stupid ape.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 6, 2012 06:08

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A lot of crying over some damn album cover. Besides thanks to CD format the cover art means next nothing these days, and thanks to digital format, the whole concept of cover does mean not even that these days. Better to have simple, provocative picture than try anything more detailed a'la BRIDGES TO BABYLON or A BIGGER BANG. It stands out better in the record shell. It will be seen and it will be remebered. What else needed these days?

Of the content. It is a compilation covering their whole career plus two new bonus songs. Yeah, basically the concept of FORTY LICKS. Contrary to the majority here I see nothing wrong there. FORTY LICKS was a product of its time, and I still remeber how great it was to have a greatest hits album covering their whole career. But it is dated now, and I think it didn't work very well as an album. There was no balance, the order of songs sucked, and many great songs were somehow lost there, re-produced strangly, and especially the four new ones making it rather uneven.

So what I hope is that GRRR! is done better and with better taste. This band deserves a great product in one sleeves to cover their whole career. It is good that the new songs - the trick to get us hardcore fans excited and buying the album - is kept to minimum, and the fate of FORTY LICKS will not rehappen so easily. Hearding of "Come On" being included is promising. So maybe the song selection will be more 'definitive' and ambitious than it was in FL, so the album will stand better than FORTY LICKS in a long run.

It is what it is: a compilation album, and most probably the biggest individual seller their recent record company can have from them (and they hype as much as they can for that) I can understand the disappointent here, even though I don't see that justified. What did you expect? A brandnew studio album? Unrealistic. Anyone following their actions (and sayings) during the last years, and within this year (jams, rehearsals, Paris studio week), should have known this kind of item to come. Like the book earlier and the documentary soon as well. But nothing else.

Maybe the unrealistic expectations derive from the fact that people are not ready to accept the nature of the band these days. People love to see the old miracle happen again. But The Rolling Stones are not any longer a real functioning musical unit, but a bunch of semi-retired folks trying somehow benefit of their 50th Anniversary momentum. if there is no spark (or ability), there is not. It takes damn much from them to just to get together and do something. In a way it has been interesting to follow their jams and gettings together during the last nine months or so, but honestly: it really seems VERY hard to get the old engine working again this time. The results so far has been two new tracks and rumoured four gigs. I suppose the all extra material - for example, opening the vaults we have enjoyed a lot lately - is partly done to cover the cruel fact that they are not like they used to be - they cannot not really do the victory lap just by by their recent doings - for example, to release a new studio album or announce just another mammouth tour.

So thanks to my rather low expectations - but what I would claim to be realistic - I am not disappointed one bit by now. Anything 'new' they do now is extra, and I am grateful for whatever happens. It all will be over soon..

I don't know if I will buy GRRR! or not - it depends a lot how the content turns out to be. But I'm glad that that kind of item will be available for 'newbies', casual fans, or for whoever. A band of that caliber really deserves their career to be presented in one package.

- Doxa

Doxa, excellent comments, but please look directly into my eyes when I say: "There Shall Be A New Album"! There is absolutely no way Mick is going to blow the ending to the Stones career. No way they are going out with a compilation with only two new songs. NO WAY!!!!!!

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 6, 2012 06:11

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the more I look at GRRR the more I like it....what's bigger than King Kong....King Kong with the iconic Stones lips...very nice.

Absolutely!

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: September 6, 2012 06:15

Who says it will be a new album?... It could be many more albums... The Stones albums may not be kick ass rock and roll... but there is no reason they have to stop... Old man blues is fine...

Hell look at Buddy Guy...
he put out a great new album last year at 74 years young.


Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: GumbootCloggeroo ()
Date: September 6, 2012 06:30

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Who says it will be a new album?... It could be many more albums... The Stones albums may not be kick ass rock and roll... but there is no reason they have to stop... Old man blues is fine...
Old man blues is fine, yes, but the thing is, The Stones are kinda mediocre at playing the blues these days.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: September 6, 2012 06:32

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Who says it will be a new album?... It could be many more albums... The Stones albums may not be kick ass rock and roll... but there is no reason they have to stop... Old man blues is fine...
Old man blues is fine, yes, but the thing is, The Stones are kinda mediocre at playing the blues these days.
Whatever you say... whatever you want to post.. the more the merrier.... we shall see what we shall see.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 6, 2012 06:46

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Dear MightyStonesStillRollin50,

You posted this or something similar about 50 times in this thread...

"There will be a new album in 2013"

What is your evidence for this?

I don't see it happening myself - I think the band are in "get it over with" mode.

Think about it. How do they close their concerts? Is there anything about Mick Jagger that suggests to you that he is going to close out the Stones career with something other than a grand climax? Of course not. It's just not in his/their nature. They are going out with a bang, not a whimper.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 6, 2012 06:50

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Dear MightyStonesStillRollin50,

You posted this or something similar about 50 times in this thread...

"There will be a new album in 2013"

What is your evidence for this?

I don't see it happening myself - I think the band are in "get it over with" mode.

Think about it. How do they close their concerts? Is there anything about Mick Jagger that suggests to you that he is going to close out the Stones career with something other than a grand climax? Of course not. It's just not in his/their nature. They are going out with a bang, not a whimper.

WHEN they decide to retire, that is.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 6, 2012 07:07

Hey Mighty50, how come you didn't start all these new threads? Seems like something you'd do, tooting that Rolling Stones horn of yers.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 6, 2012 07:23

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MightyStonesStillRolling50, are you listening? Good, then that means Mick is, too! So, there's still a chance to change the cover art/title concept before the release date. New title: 50 Monkeys To A Man, which is perfect! It references the number of tracks and the anniversary year, plus one of the great tracks from their classic era. Instead of the goofy-looking, vaguely reptilian gorilla, just put a monkey's head on the cover--but make it a hologram, so that when you turn the album/CD this way and that you see various monkeyfied busts of different Stones (hell, yeah, including Brian, Ian, Mick T, and Bill, since it is covering their full recording history). What do you think, MSSR50--or more to the point, what does Mick think? I suggest you get on the speed dial and run this past Mick in a hurry. Don't worry, I won't need any credit or royalties for my concept. All rights and permissions are theirs. Now, hurry, time's a wastin'--it won't wait for no one, y' know...

Just imagine how many hours in marketing research must have been spent coming to this decision. These decisions do not happen in a blink of an eye. I say we trust Mick on this one.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Glam Descendant ()
Date: September 6, 2012 07:42

>Just imagine how many hours in marketing research must have been spent coming to this decision.


Zero. It's art used for commercial purposes, not commercial art. Or something like that - call it "post-Pop".



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Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 6, 2012 07:53

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Hey Mighty50, how come you didn't start all these new threads? Seems like something you'd do, tooting that Rolling Stones horn of yers.

The Stones have a mighty Army, don't they. We number in the millions. You are welcome to join us.smiling smiley

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Highwire.uk ()
Date: September 6, 2012 09:00

The Rolling Stones have made lots of songs that have something that I call magic in them.when you here it you know it but when its not there you also know it.
How easy must it have been when they went into the studio in the past when they would look around to see Brian Bill Mick Taylor or Niki,
They new that at the end of the day the magic would be sprinkled on.Now we are left with mick Keith Ron & Charlie to do it all.
Lets face it Darrel & Chuck after all these years have added NIL to this band.
It must be hard work for whats left to recreate that magic.When was the last time you sat down and went wow thats Darrel or wow thats Chuck the answer is probbly never.
So its not easy lets give them a brake and hope for the best.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: September 6, 2012 09:24

Perhaps I'm alone in this thinking, but the 'Grrr' title reminds me of the soft of title Aerosmith would come up with: Oh Yeah! Ultimate Hits, anyone? Thing is, Aerosmith, IMO, are a semi-serious act, where the Stones have a bonified, credible musical legacy to leave. A comical title suits Aerosmith, but not the Stones so much, perhaps.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: still ill ()
Date: September 6, 2012 09:55

I think it's a clever piece of marketing. Like it or loathe it is, at the very least memorable and will stick out whether you're searching online or in an actual real life record shop(remember those?!)

Whether they will sell in large quantites though, i'm not so sure.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: TheBlockbuster ()
Date: September 6, 2012 10:26

Apparently the Super Deluxe Version will include a ''bonus cd', but what will it include?

Hopefully it's going to be something rare, atleast that will make the whole thing less painful for those who buy 80 tracks they already have for 2 new.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 6, 2012 10:33

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Perhaps I'm alone in this thinking, but the 'Grrr' title reminds me of the soft of title Aerosmith would come up with: Oh Yeah! Ultimate Hits, anyone? Thing is, Aerosmith, IMO, are a semi-serious act, where the Stones have a bonified, credible musical legacy to leave. A comical title suits Aerosmith, but not the Stones so much, perhaps.


thats not even close to the same. the "oh yeah" ultimate hits came from people saying that steven tyler says "oh yeah" way too much so it was a way to poke fun at it.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: September 6, 2012 10:33

Wittnessing the anger, frustration, disappointment - pretty much directed to a one damn album cover and name as as a spacegoat - which is psychologically understable, but I think mostly based on unrealistic expectations and illusions of the nature of the band for some long time now.

Deep down the issue is over their productivity. Or the lack of it.

But if one has really followed the band for some decades now, as I think many of us have, which is greatly manifested in many fine discussions we have here for many years now, I think we should be ready to accept the stage we are wittnesssing now. If the muse is not there, it is not.


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Okay, I moved the rest of my text to a thread of its own...

- Doxa



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Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: georgie48 ()
Date: September 6, 2012 10:36

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Only two days and already 20 pages full of reactions on THE news ... Yes, they did it again! Good or bad ... the world knows we're still around.
Even on the "teletekst" it was announced that the Stones were going to release a "greatest hits" album. I can't recall this to have ever happened before ... it's only a(nother) "greatest hits" collection for goodness sake.
Love your Stones for what they are: UNIQUE and a precious gift to the real fan!

Yeah the blimp ride, press conference televised worldwide by satellite and simultaneous announcement of Forty Licks got NO media coverage at all!

Sorry Gazza, I meant the "teletekst" announcement. The Forty Licks "greatest hits" was not the reason to use the blimp. It was (I was there) to announce a new world tour and the Forty Licks release just profited from it. No one was impressed by that "greatest hits" double album either.
The Licks tour was great, to say the least, and the 2005 A Bigger Bang album is a joy to listen to.
You know, just as well as I do, that there is more to come out of Alladin's lamp.

With respect,georgie, your memory is slightly off. Whilst they didnt announce the greatest hits album as such (the title hadnt even been settled at the time), Cohl specifically confirmed at the start of the press conference that just a few hours earlier an agreement had been reached between EMI and ABKCO to release - for the first time - a career spanning retrospective.

The reason they didnt make any major announcements before regarding greatest hits releases was because they generally get released between tours when there's no shows to promote and/or get released by their distributor as the band is leaving the label. So, the band's input tends to be minimal. When 40 Licks was announced there most definitely WAS sizeable press coverage about it.

For example :
[news.bbc.co.uk]

There's simply more coverage now about these things because of the nature of the internet era. There have only really been two 'new' Stones compilations in the internet era when you think about it. Three if you count Jump Back, which even got MTV/VH1 specials devoted to it, as I recall.

Gazza, thanks for that link! Man, 10 years have passed already since.

You're totally correct with what you say about the album announcement by Cohl and so (Keith: it's gonna cost you ...), but as you state yourself, before, greatest hits albums didn't commonly coincide with a major tour, so Forty Licks in a way did "profit" from the simultanious announcements.
Isn't there clever marketing going on here right now? A "source" mentions upcoming concerts and right after it this Universal "shock" announcement of Grrr! It's only a shame that so many are frustrated or angry about the latter. I merely smiled and just wait for the really "important" news winking smiley

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: stonesnow ()
Date: September 6, 2012 10:48

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The Exile and Some Girls outtakes where just for us.
This one is not.
By the way, my teenage daughter likes the cover.
Hope we all like the 2 new songs.

My teenage daughter wants this cover on a tee-shirt asap...this is target audience for this one, folks....

Well... maybe ole Mick is as smart as we (some of us) give him credit for... if/when groups attract the teenage girls (and their never ending flow of Mom and Dad's money) then they hit the jack pot... and The Stones probably wont do that by putting their faces on the cover.

Absolutely! You can bet that this was looked at from every possible angle. Pure marketing genius. A slick way to win over a whole new generation to the Mighty Stones. My 11 year old niece wants one too!

Not to mention the subliminal aspect of the King Kong like gorilla. King Kong rules the jungle. The Stones rule the jungle of rock 'n roll. Brilliant!

That's just Mick and Ronnie grooming the next generation of young models for when their current squeezes get too old for them.

Ouch!

The "Ouch!" factor comes in with the widening age gap between Mick and Ronnie and their respective latest flavors of the month. They're each working on 30-year age gaps at present and are fast closing in on Bill Wyman territory. Tell me, when L'Wren and what's her name with Ronnie were both 13ish, how old were Mick and Ronnie? And,...who's next for each of them? GRRR!...

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Braincapers ()
Date: September 6, 2012 11:03

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Who says it will be a new album?... It could be many more albums... The Stones albums may not be kick ass rock and roll... but there is no reason they have to stop... Old man blues is fine...

Hell look at Buddy Guy...
he put out a great new album last year at 74 years young.

Ian Hunter and Bob Dylan have excellent albums out this week and they are both in their 70s. I suspect that it's easier for a solo artist to make a record when he feels like doing it and up to doing it that it is getting four old timers ready and able at the same time.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: stonesnow ()
Date: September 6, 2012 11:06

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Who says it will be a new album?... It could be many more albums... The Stones albums may not be kick ass rock and roll... but there is no reason they have to stop... Old man blues is fine...

Hell look at Buddy Guy...
he put out a great new album last year at 74 years young.

Ian Hunter and Bob Dylan have excellent albums out this week and they are both in their 70s. I suspect that it's easier for a solo artist to make a record when he feels like doing it and up to doing it that it is getting four old timers ready and able at the same time.

Especially when your drummer couldn't care less if it ends tomorrow.

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