"where'd billy go??"
Blimey! Dylan does like the Stones : he plays rare trax at club-shows only...

"I was a little disappointed with the live version of LDB. Sounds like an audience recording"
Imho they copied aud boot tapes for some of the live cuts. Maybe Bob thought they were truer rawer, I don't know.

Overall Bob torus too much. Stockholm I was great, focused and a joy to listen to. Now it's back to auto-pilot. I've DL a Nov.2008 show and the 17 songs of the gig are tired, bored and boring.
Of course this show got fantastic reviews on fan sites



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well, at least billy died a hero....bo donaldson would not approve

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You can't play the same song in front of a 80000 people stadium's audience and in a small club in front of 800 absolute fans.

Says who?

If you're supposed to be the greatest rock 'n' roll band in the world, you should certainly be able to.

It's not like they're splitting the atom here, olorin!

But I don't think that most of the people coming to a Rolling Stones show, in a stadium, want to hear a version of 19th Nervous Breakdown. And I don't even know if most of the people who comes to this show even know "19th Nervous Breakdown". It's sad, I agree with you. And Mick gives the audience what they want.

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one of the best bootlegs of his 2008 tour... and a great day for me... ;^) my reupload on HungerCity, have fun till we have another 2009 Bob's boot.

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Unfortunately, the Stones have acquired the audience they deserve.

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You can't play the same song in front of a 80000 people stadium's audience and in a small club in front of 800 absolute fans.

Says who?

If you're supposed to be the greatest rock 'n' roll band in the world, you should certainly be able to.

It's not like they're splitting the atom here, olorin!

But I don't think that most of the people coming to a Rolling Stones show, in a stadium, want to hear a version of 19th Nervous Breakdown. And I don't even know if most of the people who comes to this show even know "19th Nervous Breakdown". It's sad, I agree with you. And Mick gives the audience what they want.

Fair enough, I'd agree that a slowed down version of 19th NB mightnt suit most people, but I seriously doubt that there are too many people in any Stones audience who wouldnt know 19th Nervous Breakdown, to be honest. I think youre overestimating the cluelessness of the audience. It was a massive hit and (most importantly in this day and age) its on "40 Licks".

When did Stones fans become so f***ing lazy and pedestrian, olorin? They're unique to any rock act I'm familiar with. Seriously, its not that long ago that the Stones would routinely play deeper album tracks like Memory Motel or No Expectations or 2000 Light Years from Home and the audiences would get excited by that. Nowadays, Jagger apologetically introduces songs like "Sway" as an 'obscurity' - its on an album that sold 8 million copies for goodness sake!

Its revisionist bollocks, and has been the case since they became solely concerned with pandering to non-fans who are there on corporate junkets. This band has sold 250 million albums worldwide. Its nonsensical for them to think that people are going to get bored or walk out and never come back if they dont play wall to wall rock anthems for two hours. They're selling their great legacy short by convincing themselves that their audience is pretty much totally ignorant of all but about 12 songs from their back catalogue. Unfortunately, too many people seem to have bought into this fallacy. It's utter nonsense.

When you have a back catalogue like the Stones have, you shouldnt have to apologise for playing anything. (Ok, maybe 'Sing This All Together (see What happens)'). They have enough great songs that most people should know. Christ almighty, if someone is mad enough to pay $500 for a ticket to see someone, it surely shouldnt be beyond them to spend $15 on the occasional album, seeing as they supposedly like the band so much.

Live entertainment is a two way thing. 'Play what they know' is certainly a valid standpoint, but surely so is 'know what they play' as well.



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OT but what do you think of Bob's version of Brown Sugar (available on most Fall 2002 US shows)?

Malmö, Sweden
Malmö Arena
March 28, 2009

1. Maggie's Farm (Bob on keyboard)
2. The Man In Me (Bob on harp center stage)
3. Watching The River Flow (Bob on guitar)
4. When The Deal Goes Down (Bob on keyboard)
5. High Water (For Charley Patton) (Bob on keyboard)
6. Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again
(Bob on keyboard)
7. Ballad Of Hollis Brown (Bob on keyboard)
8. Just Like A Woman (Bob on keyboard)
9. Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum (Bob on keyboard)
10. Beyond The Horizon (Bob on keyboard)
11. Summer Days (Bob on keyboard)
12. The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll (Bob on keyboard)
13. Highway 61 Revisited (Bob on keyboard)
14. Like A Rolling Stone (Bob on keyboard)
(encore)
15. All Along The Watchtower (Bob on keyboard)
16. Spirit On The Water (Bob on keyboard)
17. Blowin' In The Wind (Bob on keyboard)

Bob's playing a large number of songs this tour !

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You can't play the same song in front of a 80000 people stadium's audience and in a small club in front of 800 absolute fans.

Says who?

If you're supposed to be the greatest rock 'n' roll band in the world, you should certainly be able to.

It's not like they're splitting the atom here, olorin!

But I don't think that most of the people coming to a Rolling Stones show, in a stadium, want to hear a version of 19th Nervous Breakdown. And I don't even know if most of the people who comes to this show even know "19th Nervous Breakdown". It's sad, I agree with you. And Mick gives the audience what they want.

Fair enough, I'd agree that a slowed down version of 19th NB mightnt suit most people, but I seriously doubt that there are too many people in any Stones audience who wouldnt know 19th Nervous Breakdown, to be honest. I think youre overestimating the cluelessness of the audience. It was a massive hit and (most importantly in this day and age) its on "40 Licks".

When did Stones fans become so f***ing lazy and pedestrian, olorin? They're unique to any rock act I'm familiar with. Seriously, its not that long ago that the Stones would routinely play deeper album tracks like Memory Motel or No Expectations or 2000 Light Years from Home and the audiences would get excited by that. Nowadays, Jagger apologetically introduces songs like "Sway" as an 'obscurity' - its on an album that sold 8 million copies for goodness sake!

Its revisionist bollocks, and has been the case since they became solely concerned with pandering to non-fans who are there on corporate junkets. This band has sold 250 million albums worldwide. Its nonsensical for them to think that people are going to get bored or walk out and never come back if they dont play wall to wall rock anthems for two hours. They're selling their great legacy short by convincing themselves that their audience is pretty much totally ignorant of all but about 12 songs from their back catalogue. Unfortunately, too many people seem to have bought into this fallacy. It's utter nonsense.

When you have a back catalogue like the Stones have, you shouldnt have to apologise for playing anything. (Ok, maybe 'Sing This All Together (see What happens)'). They have enough great songs that most people should know. Christ almighty, if someone is mad enough to pay $500 for a ticket to see someone, it surely shouldnt be beyond them to spend $15 on the occasional album, seeing as they supposedly like the band so much.

Live entertainment is a two way thing. 'Play what they know' is certainly a valid standpoint, but surely so is 'know what they play' as well.

You must be right and I hope that they will keep on playing never-played-live songs and rearranging the old ones... and let's wait for the next tour and see !

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some of you say you don't want warhorses no more... I think about 5 of them a night is necessary... I love "Start Me Up" as opening song, duet "Brown Sugar/JJF" as closing, and a couple of them in the middle... yeah.

heres a link to 30 sec clip from the new album. Not enough to make any judgement, but it has generated 8 pages of discussion on Expecting Rain!

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first hattie carroll since zantzinger died...interesting...or something....

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some of you say you don't want warhorses no more... I think about 5 of them a night is necessary... I love "Start Me Up" as opening song, duet "Brown Sugar/JJF" as closing, and a couple of them in the middle... yeah.

sure - its totally unreasonable to expect them not to play more than a few. and of course these are great songs which work well in a live setting, so why not? No one's expecting them to go out and play a load of obscure songs.

The thing is, the Stones have so many songs that it would be reasonable to expect pretty much everyone to know. Why stick to the same 10-12 that are played at almost every show, year in year out? They could pick about 20-25 such songs and rotate them in and out of the set every show, playing maybe half of them a night. At least it would avoid the mind-numbing predictability of the second half of a latter day Stones show

not as predictable as people think, gazza. the last few tours, i've had a devil of a time predicting whether brown sugar would follow JJF or vice-versa. the guesswork here has been driving me nuts....

Its usually been a piece of piss when one of them opens the show, though....

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Its usually been a piece of piss when one of them opens the show, though....

that's alot of pieces

and pisses

All four shows in Sweden were really good.
See Bob this Spring if you get the chance.

"Bob's playing a large number of songs this tour !"

He always did. They rehearse 80 songs for each tour.
RE 2009 : as a fan for years I cannot help but feel the setlists are predictable and his axeman could be sent home. Imho of course!

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OT but what do you think of Bob's version of Brown Sugar (available on most Fall 2002 US shows)?

Bob's toured with Mark E. Smith ? Great.

LOL - I'd pay alot of money to see a Bob/Smithy duet

LOL..very good, Nanker.

Imagine a duet with those two. Smith isnt much of a fan. He once said that Dylan "couldn't write for toffee".

Copenhagen, Denmark
Forum
March 29, 2009

1. Gotta Serve Somebody (Bob on keyboard)
2. When I Paint My Masterpiece
3. Watching The River Flow (Bob on guitar)
4. Simple Twist Of Fate (Bob on keyboard)
5. Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum (Bob on keyboard)
6. I Believe In You (Bob on keyboard)
7. 'Til I Fell In Love With You (Bob on keyboard)
8. Tryin' To Get To Heaven (Bob on keyboard)
9. It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding) (Bob on keyboard)
10. Desolation Row (Bob on keyboard)
11. Honest With Me (Bob on keyboard)
12. When The Deal Goes Down (Bob on keyboard)
13. Thunder On The Mountain (Bob on keyboard)
14. Like A Rolling Stone (Bob on keyboard)

(encore)
15. All Along The Watchtower (Bob on keyboard)
16. Spirit On The Water (Bob on keyboard)
17. Blowin' In The Wind (Bob on keyboard)

A very Sunday setlist.

Great setlist. Lots and lots of songs I'd love to hear next sunday.

I saw Dylan at Forum last night. Overall a very solid effort. His voice sounded better than the last couple of times I've seen him. I think the choice of songs worked really well, although I can do without Tweedle Dee - I just don't like that song very much - which kind of ruined the flow. Autopilot versions of Rolling Stone and Watchtower didn't help either, but that was instantly forgiven and forgotten, when he did a fantastic rendition of Spirit On The Water, which made the concert end on a high note. I Believe In You was another highlight.


As usual with Dylan reviews in domestic papers are all over the place. Calling it everything from 'a letdown' to 'incredible'.

pleased you had a good time, Sohoe

Thanks Adrian...I hope the gig(s) you'll be attending will be at least as enjoyable.