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you can start to piece together what happened perhaps.
first keith tends to overdub his own parts vs using MT's starting with EOMS, something MT can't have been happy about; tension in 72-73 over how much noodling to do; then the songs mick/keith write for GHS and IORR are much worse; MT gets more demoralized (who wouldn't); the band senses that he's demoralized so he gets included less and less; you can see the whole thing snowballing.
you can contrast with how ronnie, with his puppy-dog optimism and positive energy, would fit in just fine. he always has a 'just happy to be here' aura about him - overdub my guitar parts, write crappy songs, i don't mind, i'm just happy to be here and let's party.
i say this without disrespect for any of the people - they're just different attitudes towards music and the band.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-27 19:21 by Turner68.
No guitar.
And there are even plenty of songs on IORR where he is totally absent.
There are songs on all studio albums where he is absent, except for GHS.
So what if he played bass on FF. He was still given plenty of room to shine. And he did.
He shines on FF on bass, on TWFNO and Dance LS on guitar. His absence is greater on IORR than on SF (and maybe even Exile), let alone GHS.
Thanks very clear outline. So does MT play the harmony lead stuff on Can't You Hear The Music you know? I always assumed Keith plays the tremelo rhythm part that makes it so swampy and MT the high parts.
Yep, that's classic Taylor. Keith never went for that sustain or vibrato.
Reminiscent of the slide guitar on I Don't Know Why, but doubled and harmonised.
Nice!
And these were the days just before decent harmonizer FX...they had to do that manually the way God intended...
This has always been a bit of a favourite of mine, lots of people hate it but it has a strange atmosphere and fits with the voodoo vibe of Mr D. It also makes me think of some of the stuff off Satanic Majesties.
Sounds like Keith on the intro and main acoustic part to me. The video is a fine way to judge this one since I doubt they would be trading parts, they just played what they did on the record to the best of their ability, imo.
Hmmm. Yeah he kind of strums through some of the delicate picked lines on later performances of this tune. He did nail them on earlier live performances though. I think he is just playing it safe since he's out there all alone and the risk of flubbing this in front of thousands is greater than the benefit of getting it right (in Keiths mind).
On every performance of this tune.
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Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
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Date: August 27, 2015 19:20
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Doesn't MT only play the solo at the end of Casino Boogie? Soul Survivor is interesting because it is a pretty simple part for MT to play, but it shows that he could keep it straight forward and serve the song rather than just riffing.
I always find it odd that he gets a credit on Ventilator Blues when I heard he only plays the solo again on it!
I suspect some of the lack of Taylor guitar on Exile is down to the working methods. If Keith stayed up all night overdubbing guitars there probably wasn't much left for MT to do.
i think that when keith was in the zone, he knew exactly what he wanted to hear on the record, and it's usually easier to play something yourself than tell someone else what to do (plus that's often insulting to the other musician.)
i wonder if he developed this habit while working on let it bleed, and he just got used to overdubbing is own guitar parts one on top of the other. you can see how it would be a very productive way to work. we certainly can't argue with the results - unless you want to make the argument that it is what drove MT out of the band, which of course was a bad thing.
I doubt that, as Taylor got increasingly more space on the two last albums he played on.
Not on IORR, except Time Waits For No One. As has been said the alternate version of Dance Little Sister has more Taylor on it (and it is better as well):
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Definitely on IORR, too.
IYCRM
TWFNO
DLS
IYRWTBMF
FF
All feature a prominent Taylor. He's pretty important to TTNG as well, the Stones song he hoped to get songwriting credits for.
Disagree. On IYCRM he is buried in the mix and even absent in the last part of the song; on Friend he plays just a nice solo, nothing special or dominant; on FF he only plays bass (that it's done very well has nothing to do with his appreance on IORR. So absolutely not on IORR, certainly not if compared to GHS.
you can start to piece together what happened perhaps.
first keith tends to overdub his own parts vs using MT's starting with EOMS, something MT can't have been happy about; tension in 72-73 over how much noodling to do; then the songs mick/keith write for GHS and IORR are much worse; MT gets more demoralized (who wouldn't); the band senses that he's demoralized so he gets included less and less; you can see the whole thing snowballing.
you can contrast with how ronnie, with his puppy-dog optimism and positive energy, would fit in just fine. he always has a 'just happy to be here' aura about him - overdub my guitar parts, write crappy songs, i don't mind, i'm just happy to be here and let's party.
i say this without disrespect for any of the people - they're just different attitudes towards music and the band.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-27 19:21 by Turner68.
Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
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Date: August 27, 2015 19:36
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You can disagree, but he still got lots of room on IORR.
"Only bass". What does that mean?
No guitar.
And there are even plenty of songs on IORR where he is totally absent.
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Date: August 27, 2015 20:14
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You can disagree, but he still got lots of room on IORR.
"Only bass". What does that mean?
No guitar.
And there are even plenty of songs on IORR where he is totally absent.
There are songs on all studio albums where he is absent, except for GHS.
So what if he played bass on FF. He was still given plenty of room to shine. And he did.
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Date: August 27, 2015 20:25
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You can disagree, but he still got lots of room on IORR.
"Only bass". What does that mean?
No guitar.
And there are even plenty of songs on IORR where he is totally absent.
There are songs on all studio albums where he is absent, except for GHS.
So what if he played bass on FF. He was still given plenty of room to shine. And he did.
He shines on FF on bass, on TWFNO and Dance LS on guitar. His absence is greater on IORR than on SF (and maybe even Exile), let alone GHS.
Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
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Date: August 27, 2015 20:31
That's crazy, kleerie. He's all over IORR, except for the title track and ATPTB.
He's even important on SAC, even though Keith plays the lead guitar.
He's even important on SAC, even though Keith plays the lead guitar.
Re: Mick Taylor Talk - what's on your mind right now...
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Date: August 27, 2015 20:38
He missed the first sessions for IORR, so it's understandable that there would have been material he wasn't included on, or ideas that formed without him around.
Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
FP
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Date: August 27, 2015 15:42
I thought I would follow up the threads on Taylor's Sticky Fingers and Goats Head Soup guitar parts with the next album Goats Head Soup. After the complex mix of Exile GHS is a bit more straight forward, maybe to it's detriment?
Dancing with Mr. D
Taylor plays lead guitar which sounds like a mix of both straight and slide. Playing through a leslie speaker? A thick heavy sound that makes it sometimes difficult to hear even though it is not particularly low in the mix. I am not sure if BillY Preston plays on this song as some of what I thought was organ maybe Taylor when he plays some bass notes in the solo. Not sure if Taylor double the riff or not.
100 Years Ago
Taylor plays lead guitar with Wah Wah through out. Richards on bass?
Coming Down Again
One of my least favourite Stones songs. Taylor plays bass? Not on guitar all Richards?
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
Intro is Preston on Clavinet. Taylor I think joins in on Wah Wah guitar for the main rhythm guitar. There is a low sound which I think is Preston playing guitar like parts underneath. Keith plays bass? Taylor plays a short solo which is drenched in Wah and possibly Leslie speaker again. Sounds bit like the sound on Who's That Lady by The Isley Brothers which used a Roland AP-7 Jet Phaser.
In the outro there is a Taylor guitar solo very very low in the mix which can only really be heard in headphones.
Angie
I read Taylor plays the acoustic intro and most of the acoustic on this song? I think there is an interview where he says as much. However in the song's video it is Keith playing the part. Also Taylor in the same interview remembered playing lead guitar on Bitch so maybe his memory is faulty on this point.
Silver Train
Taylor plays slide through out.
Hide Your Love
Taylor plays lead guitar through out.
Winter
Taylor plays lead guitar through out.
Can You Hear the Music
I was never sure if the harmony lead guitars were by Taylor, I imagine they must be but make me think more of something Todd Rungren would play rather than the Stones!
Star Star
Taylor plays rhythm guitar
When I first heard GHS I remember not liking it at all. Even though Taylor plays more of a role the lack of Keith guitar on many of the tracks seemed to leave a big gap. I have learned to enjoy it over the years however. If one looks at it as a stand alone album and does not compare it to Let It Bleed or Exile it is still pretty good. I feel the production let it down, it is murky like Exile but when you scratch the surface you do not hear as much detail as on Exile.
While he stills plays well Taylor seems a bit directionless without a great song to work off. Compare his playing on a tune like Shine a Light to Hide Your Love. Without a structure he plays well but is not lifted to his previous hights by an average jam.
Dancing with Mr. D
Taylor plays lead guitar which sounds like a mix of both straight and slide. Playing through a leslie speaker? A thick heavy sound that makes it sometimes difficult to hear even though it is not particularly low in the mix. I am not sure if BillY Preston plays on this song as some of what I thought was organ maybe Taylor when he plays some bass notes in the solo. Not sure if Taylor double the riff or not.
100 Years Ago
Taylor plays lead guitar with Wah Wah through out. Richards on bass?
Coming Down Again
One of my least favourite Stones songs. Taylor plays bass? Not on guitar all Richards?
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
Intro is Preston on Clavinet. Taylor I think joins in on Wah Wah guitar for the main rhythm guitar. There is a low sound which I think is Preston playing guitar like parts underneath. Keith plays bass? Taylor plays a short solo which is drenched in Wah and possibly Leslie speaker again. Sounds bit like the sound on Who's That Lady by The Isley Brothers which used a Roland AP-7 Jet Phaser.
In the outro there is a Taylor guitar solo very very low in the mix which can only really be heard in headphones.
Angie
I read Taylor plays the acoustic intro and most of the acoustic on this song? I think there is an interview where he says as much. However in the song's video it is Keith playing the part. Also Taylor in the same interview remembered playing lead guitar on Bitch so maybe his memory is faulty on this point.
Silver Train
Taylor plays slide through out.
Hide Your Love
Taylor plays lead guitar through out.
Winter
Taylor plays lead guitar through out.
Can You Hear the Music
I was never sure if the harmony lead guitars were by Taylor, I imagine they must be but make me think more of something Todd Rungren would play rather than the Stones!
Star Star
Taylor plays rhythm guitar
When I first heard GHS I remember not liking it at all. Even though Taylor plays more of a role the lack of Keith guitar on many of the tracks seemed to leave a big gap. I have learned to enjoy it over the years however. If one looks at it as a stand alone album and does not compare it to Let It Bleed or Exile it is still pretty good. I feel the production let it down, it is murky like Exile but when you scratch the surface you do not hear as much detail as on Exile.
While he stills plays well Taylor seems a bit directionless without a great song to work off. Compare his playing on a tune like Shine a Light to Hide Your Love. Without a structure he plays well but is not lifted to his previous hights by an average jam.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
pepganzo
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Date: August 27, 2015 16:02
MT' work and sound on 100 Years Ago are similiar to what Peter Green did on The End of the Game. Just brilliant.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
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Date: August 27, 2015 16:11
Keith plays the lead acoustic guitar on Angie and all guitars on CDA. Taylor on bass on the latter.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: August 27, 2015 16:41
Line-up ‘Mr. D.’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky
Hopkins (p)/Rebop (congas)/Pascal (perc)/& screams from some movie
Line-up ‘100 Years Ago’: MJ (voc)/KR (bass)/MT (gtr)/CW (dr)/Billy Preston
(clavinet)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)
Line-up ‘Coming Down Agan’: MJ (voc)/KR (voc, gtr)/MT (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Pascal (perc)/Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Horn (sax)
Line-up ‘Doo Doo Doo’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bass, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bvoc)/CW (dr)/
Billy Preston (p, synth, clavinet, bvoc)/Rebop (congas)/Pascal (perc)/
Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Horn (sax)/Chuck Finley (tp)/Jim Price (arranger
of horns and maybe tb)
Line-up ‘Angie’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky
Hopkins (p)/Nicky Harrison (arranger of strings: 8 violins,
4 cellos, 2 violas)
Line-up ‘Silver Train’: MJ (voc, gtr, harm)/KR (gtr, bass, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bvoc)/
CW (dr)/STU (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)
Line-up ‘Hide Your Love’: MJ (voc, p)/KR (bass)/MT (gtr)/CW (dr)/Jimmy
Miller (bass dr)/Bobby Keys (sax)
Line-up ‘Winter’: MJ (voc, gtr)/KR (gtr)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Nicky Harrison (arranger of strings: 8 violins,
4 cellos, 2 violas)
Line-up ‘Can You Hear The Music’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/
BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)/Rebop
(congas)/Pascal (perc)/Jim Horn (flute)
Line-up ‘Star Star’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/
STU (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)
Bill Wyman plays bass on FOUR songs!
Line-up ‘Through The Lonely Nights’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bvoc)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky
Hopkins (p)
Hopkins (p)/Rebop (congas)/Pascal (perc)/& screams from some movie
Line-up ‘100 Years Ago’: MJ (voc)/KR (bass)/MT (gtr)/CW (dr)/Billy Preston
(clavinet)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)
Line-up ‘Coming Down Agan’: MJ (voc)/KR (voc, gtr)/MT (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Pascal (perc)/Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Horn (sax)
Line-up ‘Doo Doo Doo’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bass, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bvoc)/CW (dr)/
Billy Preston (p, synth, clavinet, bvoc)/Rebop (congas)/Pascal (perc)/
Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Horn (sax)/Chuck Finley (tp)/Jim Price (arranger
of horns and maybe tb)
Line-up ‘Angie’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky
Hopkins (p)/Nicky Harrison (arranger of strings: 8 violins,
4 cellos, 2 violas)
Line-up ‘Silver Train’: MJ (voc, gtr, harm)/KR (gtr, bass, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bvoc)/
CW (dr)/STU (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)
Line-up ‘Hide Your Love’: MJ (voc, p)/KR (bass)/MT (gtr)/CW (dr)/Jimmy
Miller (bass dr)/Bobby Keys (sax)
Line-up ‘Winter’: MJ (voc, gtr)/KR (gtr)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Nicky Harrison (arranger of strings: 8 violins,
4 cellos, 2 violas)
Line-up ‘Can You Hear The Music’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/
BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)/Rebop
(congas)/Pascal (perc)/Jim Horn (flute)
Line-up ‘Star Star’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/
STU (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)
Bill Wyman plays bass on FOUR songs!
Line-up ‘Through The Lonely Nights’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bvoc)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky
Hopkins (p)
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
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Date: August 27, 2015 17:27
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GasLightStreet
Line-up ‘Mr. D.’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky
Hopkins (p)/Rebop (congas)/Pascal (perc)/& screams from some movie
Line-up ‘100 Years Ago’: MJ (voc)/KR (bass)/MT (gtr)/CW (dr)/Billy Preston
(clavinet)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)
Line-up ‘Coming Down Agan’: MJ (voc)/KR (voc, gtr)/MT (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Pascal (perc)/Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Horn (sax)
Line-up ‘Doo Doo Doo’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bass, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bvoc)/CW (dr)/
Billy Preston (p, synth, clavinet, bvoc)/Rebop (congas)/Pascal (perc)/
Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Horn (sax)/Chuck Finley (tp)/Jim Price (arranger
of horns and maybe tb)
Line-up ‘Angie’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky
Hopkins (p)/Nicky Harrison (arranger of strings: 8 violins,
4 cellos, 2 violas)
Line-up ‘Silver Train’: MJ (voc, gtr, harm)/KR (gtr, bass, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bvoc)/
CW (dr)/STU (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)
Line-up ‘Hide Your Love’: MJ (voc, p)/KR (bass)/MT (gtr)/CW (dr)/Jimmy
Miller (bass dr)/Bobby Keys (sax)
Line-up ‘Winter’: MJ (voc, gtr)/KR (gtr)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Nicky Harrison (arranger of strings: 8 violins,
4 cellos, 2 violas)
Line-up ‘Can You Hear The Music’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/
BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)/Rebop
(congas)/Pascal (perc)/Jim Horn (flute)
Line-up ‘Star Star’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/
STU (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)
Bill Wyman plays bass on FOUR songs!
Line-up ‘Through The Lonely Nights’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bvoc)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky
Hopkins (p)
Thanks very clear outline. So does MT play the harmony lead stuff on Can't You Hear The Music you know? I always assumed Keith plays the tremelo rhythm part that makes it so swampy and MT the high parts.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 27, 2015 17:28
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GasLightStreet
Line-up ‘Mr. D.’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky
Hopkins (p)/Rebop (congas)/Pascal (perc)/& screams from some movie
Line-up ‘100 Years Ago’: MJ (voc)/KR (bass)/MT (gtr)/CW (dr)/Billy Preston
(clavinet)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)
Line-up ‘Coming Down Agan’: MJ (voc)/KR (voc, gtr)/MT (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Pascal (perc)/Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Horn (sax)
Line-up ‘Doo Doo Doo’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bass, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bvoc)/CW (dr)/
Billy Preston (p, synth, clavinet, bvoc)/Rebop (congas)/Pascal (perc)/
Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Horn (sax)/Chuck Finley (tp)/Jim Price (arranger
of horns and maybe tb)
Line-up ‘Angie’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky
Hopkins (p)/Nicky Harrison (arranger of strings: 8 violins,
4 cellos, 2 violas)
Line-up ‘Silver Train’: MJ (voc, gtr, harm)/KR (gtr, bass, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bvoc)/
CW (dr)/STU (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)
Line-up ‘Hide Your Love’: MJ (voc, p)/KR (bass)/MT (gtr)/CW (dr)/Jimmy
Miller (bass dr)/Bobby Keys (sax)
Line-up ‘Winter’: MJ (voc, gtr)/KR (gtr)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Nicky Harrison (arranger of strings: 8 violins,
4 cellos, 2 violas)
Line-up ‘Can You Hear The Music’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/
BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)/Rebop
(congas)/Pascal (perc)/Jim Horn (flute)
Line-up ‘Star Star’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/
STU (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)
Bill Wyman plays bass on FOUR songs!
Line-up ‘Through The Lonely Nights’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr, bvoc)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky
Hopkins (p)
Thanks very clear outline. So does MT play the harmony lead stuff on Can't You Hear The Music you know? I always assumed Keith plays the tremelo rhythm part that makes it so swampy and MT the high parts.
Yep, that's classic Taylor. Keith never went for that sustain or vibrato.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: August 27, 2015 17:33
Keith's guitar on CYHTM is going through a Leslie.
Taylor's guitar, sounds like he's playing with an EBow.
Taylor's guitar, sounds like he's playing with an EBow.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
Munichhilton
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Date: August 27, 2015 17:53
CYHTM has guitar that no other Stones song ever had. It's a singular anomaly....Keith's guitar sounds like it's struggling for breath while Taylor is doing a mean Brian May...perfect
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
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Date: August 27, 2015 18:11
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CYHTM has guitar that no other Stones song ever had. It's a singular anomaly....Keith's guitar sounds like it's struggling for breath while Taylor is doing a mean Brian May...perfect
Reminiscent of the slide guitar on I Don't Know Why, but doubled and harmonised.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
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Date: August 27, 2015 18:37
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CYHTM has guitar that no other Stones song ever had. It's a singular anomaly....Keith's guitar sounds like it's struggling for breath while Taylor is doing a mean Brian May...perfect
Reminiscent of the slide guitar on I Don't Know Why, but doubled and harmonised.
Nice!
And these were the days just before decent harmonizer FX...they had to do that manually the way God intended...
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
Kennedy
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Date: August 27, 2015 18:40
Sac-religious I know, but I really despise this album. The Billy Preston era was a lowpoint.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
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Date: August 27, 2015 19:01
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Coming Down Again
One of my least favourite Stones songs. Taylor plays bass? Not on guitar all Richards?
Well it's Keith's song, so not surprising at all.
Angie
I read Taylor plays the acoustic intro and most of the acoustic on this song? I think there is an interview where he says as much. However in the song's video it is Keith playing the part. Also Taylor in the same interview remembered playing lead guitar on Bitch so maybe his memory is faulty on this point.
Who knows the truth on this one, but I wouldn't go by the video.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
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FP
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Date: August 27, 2015 20:04
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Munichhilton
CYHTM has guitar that no other Stones song ever had. It's a singular anomaly....Keith's guitar sounds like it's struggling for breath while Taylor is doing a mean Brian May...perfect
This has always been a bit of a favourite of mine, lots of people hate it but it has a strange atmosphere and fits with the voodoo vibe of Mr D. It also makes me think of some of the stuff off Satanic Majesties.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: August 27, 2015 20:09
The main acoustic on Angie is obviously Keith, so many acoustic keith-isms are featured.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
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Naturalust
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Date: August 27, 2015 20:13
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FP
Coming Down Again
One of my least favourite Stones songs. Taylor plays bass? Not on guitar all Richards?
Well it's Keith's song, so not surprising at all.
Angie
I read Taylor plays the acoustic intro and most of the acoustic on this song? I think there is an interview where he says as much. However in the song's video it is Keith playing the part. Also Taylor in the same interview remembered playing lead guitar on Bitch so maybe his memory is faulty on this point.
Who knows the truth on this one, but I wouldn't go by the video.
Sounds like Keith on the intro and main acoustic part to me. The video is a fine way to judge this one since I doubt they would be trading parts, they just played what they did on the record to the best of their ability, imo.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
thijs1981
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Date: August 27, 2015 20:14
It's a shame Keith simplifies the intro to Angie live. It's so beautiful on the album version. Live it just sounds like he wants to get the intro out of the way.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
Naturalust
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Date: August 27, 2015 20:27
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thijs1981
It's a shame Keith simplifies the intro to Angie live. It's so beautiful on the album version. Live it just sounds like he wants to get the intro out of the way.
Hmmm. Yeah he kind of strums through some of the delicate picked lines on later performances of this tune. He did nail them on earlier live performances though. I think he is just playing it safe since he's out there all alone and the risk of flubbing this in front of thousands is greater than the benefit of getting it right (in Keiths mind).
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
Posted by:
Tops
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Date: August 27, 2015 20:31
¨Love GHS. And Taylors contributions.
But Dancing With Mr D as album opener.....not really working.
But Dancing With Mr D as album opener.....not really working.
Re: Mick Taylor - guitar contributions to Goats Head Soup
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Date: August 27, 2015 20:33
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It's a shame Keith simplifies the intro to Angie live. It's so beautiful on the album version. Live it just sounds like he wants to get the intro out of the way.
Hmmm. Yeah he kind of strums through some of the delicate picked lines on later performances of this tune. He did nail them on earlier live performances though. I think he is just playing it safe since he's out there all alone and the risk of flubbing this in front of thousands is greater than the benefit of getting it right (in Keiths mind).
On every performance of this tune.
Mick Taylor - wiped guitar parts list?
Posted by:
FP
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Date: August 27, 2015 13:53
I have read a LOT about Taylor having his guitar parts wiped or minimised in the mix of some songs by Richards. However I am interested to know a list of specific songs where we know this happened and then if there is any recorded evidence of the parts wiped, ie bootlegs early takes?
I have heard several other versions of Brown Sugar which show parts removed but other songs which feature prominent Taylor parts I have heard so far tend to be early working versions (ie Loving Cup / Good Time Woman) that were changed as they developed which is of course different from actively removing parts that have been recorded.
If any Taylor or Stones sessions can provide a list that would be very interesting.
Please merge with Taylor thread if you feel it is better there.
I have heard several other versions of Brown Sugar which show parts removed but other songs which feature prominent Taylor parts I have heard so far tend to be early working versions (ie Loving Cup / Good Time Woman) that were changed as they developed which is of course different from actively removing parts that have been recorded.
If any Taylor or Stones sessions can provide a list that would be very interesting.
Please merge with Taylor thread if you feel it is better there.
Re: Mick Taylor - wiped guitar parts list?
Posted by:
LieB
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Date: August 27, 2015 14:02
There are a couple of places on Ya-Ya's where Taylor's parts were replaced by overdubs by Richards. I quote from [www.iorr.org]
JJF - Taylor partially removed during the outro section (the E - D - C# - B parts)
Carol - Taylor's main rhythm part, overdubbed by Richards. Taylor's counter turn-arounds still present
Midnight Rambler - Taylor removed during parts of the slow, middle piece. Probably due to tuning problems / tuning up
Little Queenie - Taylors main rhythm guitar replaced by Richards
Honky Tonk Woman – Taylor’s rhythm guitar replaced in the solo section
There are probably a few places on Exile, but I don't know for sure. Rocks Off has a Taylor guitar mixed very low in the middle of the field. I'm pretty sure it was a production/mixing decision to mix it low and let Keith's two guitars in either channel dominate the tune. But I'm not sure if anything has was wiped.
There's an early mix of Rip This Joint with more lead guitar fills by Taylor that's been wiped for the final version.
JJF - Taylor partially removed during the outro section (the E - D - C# - B parts)
Carol - Taylor's main rhythm part, overdubbed by Richards. Taylor's counter turn-arounds still present
Midnight Rambler - Taylor removed during parts of the slow, middle piece. Probably due to tuning problems / tuning up
Little Queenie - Taylors main rhythm guitar replaced by Richards
Honky Tonk Woman – Taylor’s rhythm guitar replaced in the solo section
There are probably a few places on Exile, but I don't know for sure. Rocks Off has a Taylor guitar mixed very low in the middle of the field. I'm pretty sure it was a production/mixing decision to mix it low and let Keith's two guitars in either channel dominate the tune. But I'm not sure if anything has was wiped.
There's an early mix of Rip This Joint with more lead guitar fills by Taylor that's been wiped for the final version.
Re: Mick Taylor - wiped guitar parts list?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 27, 2015 14:07
The Nicky Hopkins tapes has Rocks Off with Taylor audible through parts of the song. Not very prominent in the mix, though.
[www.youtube.com]
At least one early Brown Sugar version has Taylor on guitar (the solo only), maybe two.
[www.youtube.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-27 14:09 by DandelionPowderman.
[www.youtube.com]
At least one early Brown Sugar version has Taylor on guitar (the solo only), maybe two.
[www.youtube.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-27 14:09 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: Mick Taylor - wiped guitar parts list?
Posted by:
HMS
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Date: August 27, 2015 14:37
Not enough noodling wiped, imho. Please Minimise or/and wipe MT on the next reissues of GHS/IORR.
The Stones were obviously very aware that wiping had to be done.
The Stones were obviously very aware that wiping had to be done.
Re: Mick Taylor - wiped guitar parts list?
Posted by:
RobertJohnson
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Date: August 27, 2015 15:11
Dance Little Sister: The solo was edited. There is a fabulous boot version with the complete solo.
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