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Some short but very fast licks, and not all notes are hammer-ons. Ive never heard Keith play that fast again, before or after.
You better listen to Rock And A Hard Place on Live In Tokyo 1990
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Some short but very fast licks, and not all notes are hammer-ons. Ive never heard Keith play that fast again, before or after.
You better listen to Rock And A Hard Place on Live In Tokyo 1990
The palm muted licks that Keith is playing on "Rock And A Hard Place" on Live In Tokyo 1990 are a bit slower, and more important, they are chromatic. So from a technical point of view that's easier to play compared to the (faster) blues based licks on STFTD. Playing "fast" on a guitar is relative.
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Playing "fast" on a guitar is relative.
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DandelionPowderman
I don't think those spanish licks are neither palm-muted or slower.
More open strings are involved, yes, but I wouldn't say those RAAHP-licks are easier to play.
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Keith SFTD solos are awful for years.
2016 ones are purely horrible.
Even sad.
Sad but true. Amazing how the same guy who cut that great solo in the studio and played so great on stage has deteriorated into playing "solos" that barely deserve to be called solos. Keith will always be my hero but man, what a difference...
There's about 48 years between the recording of the solo and the last gigs....what do you expect?
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Measuring what's consistently faster is not difficult, though
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Measuring what's consistently faster is not difficult, though
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I don't want to be "Mr know it all" but you show me Keith playing triplets here, on STFTD we are talking semiquavers, I.E more notes per beat in this very case. The tempo of both songs is comparable.
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GravityBoy
I must watch the Godard film again.
I can't remember Keith doing the solo in it.
And to be fair, it's not "usual Keith" and does have a touch of the Jimmy Pages about it.
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For a tenth of a second he is indeed playing faster on SFTD, but the rest isn't really comparable, imo.
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For a tenth of a second he is indeed playing faster on SFTD, but the rest isn't really comparable, imo.
Completely different music indeed. But Keith set his speed limit on SFTD, that's all I wanted to say. Sometimes music is Mathematics.
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Some short but very fast licks, and not all notes are hammer-ons. Ive never heard Keith play that fast again, before or after.
You better listen to Rock And A Hard Place on Live In Tokyo 1990
The palm muted licks that Keith is playing on "Rock And A Hard Place" on Live In Tokyo 1990 are a bit slower, and more important, they are chromatic. So from a technical point of view that's easier to play compared to the (faster) blues based licks on STFTD. Playing "fast" on a guitar is relative.
I don't think those spanish licks are neither palm-muted or slower.
More open strings are involved, yes, but I wouldn't say those RAAHP-licks are easier to play.
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Who else could it be. Some session guy borrowing Keith's guitar and amp?
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Who else could it be. Some session guy borrowing Keith's guitar and amp?
Clapton? He could have played the fast licks. Or Kieht did play the entire but at a slower speed then the engineer vari-sped to solo to make match with the ley of the song.
Said differently it's possible to imagine Keith played the solo in the key of D then it was sped-up by several % to bring it up to E (the key of SFTD).
Varispeed was part of the studio wizardry. In 1970 "Layla" (the song) was sped-up by several %'s to give it a special feel.
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wonderboy
As to the speed, he could have played it slower and then sped it up, as already suggested. I believe they did something like this on the solo on Crazy Mama.
Pretty sure Keith played the solo; but even if coaxed that solo out of somebody else, it's an accomplishment either way. What matters is what's on the record.
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Keith SFTD solos are awful for years.
2016 ones are purely horrible.
Even sad.
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Who else could it be. Some session guy borrowing Keith's guitar and amp?
Clapton? He could have played the fast licks. Or Kieht did play the entire but at a slower speed then the engineer vari-sped to solo to make match with the ley of the song.
Said differently it's possible to imagine Keith played the solo in the key of D then it was sped-up by several % to bring it up to E (the key of SFTD).
Varispeed was part of the studio wizardry. In 1970 "Layla" (the song) was sped-up by several %'s to give it a special feel.
Ha ha, no way
I don't know why people think this solo is particularly difficult or something that Keith, their lead guitarist since 1962, couldn't play..
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Nothing before or after resembles SFTD, including the solo - just as nothing resembles Sitting On A Fence and the guitar on that one.
There are many more examples of Keith laying down bafflingly cool guitar tracks.
The super-fast, free jazz/psychedelic guitar on See What Happens is another one that came out of left field
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Nothing before or after resembles SFTD, including the solo - just as nothing resembles Sitting On A Fence and the guitar on that one.
There are many more examples of Keith laying down bafflingly cool guitar tracks.
The super-fast, free jazz/psychedelic guitar on See What Happens is another one that came out of left field
Exactly Dandy; well said.
Keith was in the zone for those 4-5 years. There is a reason Keith is mentioned among the greatest guitarists of rock again and again. At some freakin point he blew our minds. Just because he has not done it since doesn't take away from it.
And actually there are many instances of Keith playing baffingly well. First off he was very fast, and very accurate on the early R&B solos.
"Down the Road Apiece" just e.g.; but all the way to the Wino live shows. I saw Keith both tours, and maybe it was Jordan, maybe it was wassy, maybe it was playing on small stages night after night with a newer band - but he was on fire.
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DandelionPowderman
I reckon you mean the 1988 Winos-shows? I think something happened after 1990. It might have been the arthrithis kicking in. Anyways, he changed his lead guitar-style. It was very noticable on the B2B-tour that he focused on fewer notes and repeating stuff, instead of exploring new things, like he actually did on the SW/UJ tours.