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I dont know what your problem is but heres the thing. This solo is incredibly easy to play its not even hard to come up with because its a basic blues solo. Its good, it has a special unique sound to it, with the chord progression the solo becomes bigger than it actually is. Even bigger than life, thanks to the song. But, it's not anywhere near the butterfly that lived in Jimi Hendrixs fingers and it's nowhere near the symphonic progressions of Hotel California. Or Ed Kings virtuoso like picikings on Sweet home Alabama.
Now, there are a billion guitar players on and off youtube. Im one of those who can sound excactly like Keith Richards. Do you know why? Because i just like the rest of us listened real hard to his guitar.
So there no mistery here. Listen, copy and learn - and then bring out the musician get into your system, to the bone.
All you who play guitar know what I mean. You learn the song and then you "become" the song, you make the most of JJF, you get that perfect feel on Rambler when it really comes alive. Same with Dance little sister or Prodigal son or Parachute Woman. Or YCAGWYW and why not You got the silver. The rifing on Live with me. The solo on Gimme Shelter. And this is the easy stuff. Worried bout you, Keiths licks on the standard tuned version of YCAGWYW on Rock n roll circus.
Either you have the blues or you dont. Either you can get a whole soundtrack out of one note or you cant. I know I can becasue I am a musician and I've gradually also learned Keiths riffs, songs, licks etc. Not all of them but still. And after awhile they sort of move into your system. You suddenly not only copy. This is nothing new or unique in anyway at all.
Same feeling Keith got when he sat in his room and had to live thru Berry, or ten years later in the studio corner listening to the young brat Ry Cooder play like a freaking genius. You have to copy it note by note and then, from there learn it again but with your own touch (what Keith finally did in 1971 recording Exile) or "adopt the art" of the composer, meaning you start to play like you were Keith.
Max, this is no BS every guitar player or musician on iorr know what I mean. Some of them are brave enough to upload videos, some are better than others but still.
Please do your thing, whatever that is, on another thread not this one.
I never tried to play it before, I always though the first few notes would be too difficult.
But it's just a rake if that video is correct.
Now I'm going to have a go.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 13:41 by GravityBoy.
It seems he's playing the first lick differently to how it is on the record. He's missing out a D note on the 2nd string during the first lick.
It's hard to hear his actual playing because the backing is so loud.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 14:01 by His Majesty.
Post some gigs with fluid MT guitar solos. Than you prove something to me.
I think Mathijs did that some years ago.
lol, yeah, about what I expected.
Hey redhothead, there is no need for your high and mighty holier than thou attitude trying to tell people where they are allowed to post.
I was NOT being snotty when I first posted about maybe using a capo, I was offering a possible tip. I never said Keith needed it, or guitar experts needed it.... I was NOT acting like some kind guitar god. I was not holding myself out as some guitar expert, or holier than thou quoter of "either ya got the blues or ya dont" ...I was simply saying if a novice guitar player wanted to play this lick and they used a capo it might make it a lil easier on them. Then people stormed in and started ranting how ludicrous using a capo is... or quoting me specifiically, telling me what was what. They addressed me, I replied.
Then I simply replied.... if anyone is such a hot guitar player, and this lick is so simple, then how about show us, or if you dont want to... then that is ok too...
There is no need to get upitty towards me or try to tell me to post else where... I will post where I want when I want.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 18:18 by Max'sKansasCity.
I never suggested Keith used a capo.
You quoted me. You replied to me, I was simply replying back, I was not giving anyone crap.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 18:33 by Max'sKansasCity.
There's quite a lot of video's around, so do a search. I believe the Panama Amsterdam Farewell gig and the Kurhaus gig are even available on torrent sites, but I don't have clue how that works. There where a dozen or so vids on Youtube, don't know if they're still there.
Mathijs
I'm very curious...please post one fragment of these gigs...250? Weeeewwww.
How many (blues-)guitarists I met who said how easy it is to play like BB King...3 notes per minute...and no, Peter Green wasn't one of them.
I do not see the Dave Mason relation by the way...I have a few of these Traffic live gigs ('67/'68) with him, and although his playing is great, I don't hear one Dave in SFTD...and no Keith either...mmmmh
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 18:36 by Sacke.
A few people mistakenly thought Dave played the solo on Dear Mr Fantasy, But Dave played bass on the studio version and played bass when Traffic played it live.
The song clearly influenced the early versions of Sympathy For The Devil, especially the slow version where Keith is sitting playing electric guitar in standard tuning in One Plus One.
These connections became a jumble, much like the capo talk.
This is how the opening lick should be played...
It's easy to get a mental block over things even if they are easy or obvious, like some folks not being able to hear that it's Keith playing the solo.
Yeah; and it's difficult (considering how obvious it is) trying to convince those people; to show them they are incorrect. People love standing by their opinions; especially when posting at messageboards.
Reminds me of the (horrible) fake Rolling Stones track "Angel Eyes" or the "electric 1995 Wild Horses" track.....some people believed it was Jagger singing.....unbelievable enough. But one couldn't convince them that it wasn't Jagger singing - nomatter what one told them....he he - that was funny
This is one of the few times you don't know how things work.
Thank's anyway.
Maybe it's the difference between just chilling in the studio and laying down a track, and being in front of a live audience. Personally I can play the solo, but 9 times out of 10 I'll botch some part of it. In the studio they had the leisure of doing take after take until they got it perfect. Plus in a live setting you have the added pressure of only having 1 shot. It's sort of like when you watch a football game and the commentators always say that before the game in warmups the kicker was nailing 50-60 yard field goals with ease, then in the actual game he shanks a 30 yarder.
Also, in recent years SFTD comes late in the show, often after the B-Stage, maybe by that point Keiths fingers are starting to tire. I don't know.
It's possible that the solo on the record might a composite of different takes and the slowed down tape idea isn't all that far fetched if someone wanted a solo to sound fast, but couldn't quite play what they wanted on a recording running at it's normal speed.
Bare in mind, he's never played Jumpin' Jack Flash, Gimme Shelter etc etc live as per the studio versions either. The solo is one of those many magical Rolling Stones studio moments captured on tape never to be repeated again.
It sure is Duijf, now Tim Knol's mainman, and session tiger per excellence.
Mathijs
Wow, that's some time ago! That actually was my best impersonation of a 1964 Keith Richards solo. We actually never rehearsed let alone played this track, we where told the Stones opened the Kurhaus gig with that song a day before our show, and our singer came back from a holiday that morning. You can see we where nervous, opening a show in front of 1500 people and the entire national press with a song we never did before.
Mathijs
I would guess Keith has no intention of copying the studio-solo - and that it has nothing to do with him being unable to "copy" it. SFTD is one of them songs that begs for different guitar-solos everytime; as the possibilities are so many.....just like on songs like "All Along The Watchtower" or "Little Red Rooster". Copying the studio solo would just seem silly. And staying clear of the studio solo also makes the studio solo being remembered as something "holy" in his musicial career - like it's written in stone; since we don't get to hear attempts on Keith trying to copying it all the time.
Anyway; that's just my guess....I'd feel like that; if it was my solo/song. When it comes to very recent years, somebody pointed out that Keith doesn't like the arrangement of SFTD....which is very understandable....and therefor doesn't give a hoot about that song. On the ABB tour - this was quite obvious; at certain shows; especially that 2005 show in which Keith just walks out on; during the solo (available on youtube)
ok ok... but for the benefit of the original poster, who thought it was hard to play...then people say it is so easy that a 10 year old should be able to play it... then is must be easy to play.... so if it is so easy, Keith should be able to nail it every time. right?... as I said earlier, it was not a metter of playing it different... what he played sounded botched.... and if they are playing war horses to keep the masses hapopy, and people/masses love this solo,,, why change it?
ah anyway,,, it is not this big of deal... /end of line for me
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 19:56 by Max'sKansasCity.
Hey; didn't see your post, as I writing mine - that's something of the same as I wrote....indeed; these songs gets more magical or holy; when they never try to do it exactly like the original when live in concert.
Great job on that!
Looks like a real lousy audience you have there. I would had found it impossible to rock out with all those staring male statues there; they don't move around at all. Very good band....nice singing and guitarplaying, for sure - but the bassplayer ain't no Bill Wyman! - but maybe it's just the sound
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 20:00 by Erik_Snow.
I think both the band and the audience where a bit overwhelmed by the entourage. There where a dozen camera's rolling and it was broadcasted live on national radio. We did two sets, the first being the Kurhaus set and the second our 'own', and during the latter, when beer flowed and camera's where gone, the vibe got a lot better.
I got some video's of some real rowdy shows, great fun. There's one where our beloved singer, weighing in at 50 kg's, tries to stop a fight between a dozen or so healthy farmer boys. What a sight.
Mathijs
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Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
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Date: December 15, 2011 13:40
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Max'sKansasCity
Thanks for those tomk
I am hoping some of our local guitar heros (supposed experts) do it for us and without the actual song/band playing so loudly in the background... we know what it sounds like... so let er rip boys....come on, everyone has a video device, and posting to youtube is soooo easy.
But ya know, I am not even sure what the point of this thread is. Really, what is the point? I used to go to school with a cival engineer (he went on to design bridges, he was smart, a freekin genius) anyway... this guy could play anything note for note... I mean anything... anything from Hendrix to Page or Eddie VanHalen... he would use LPs to learn it note for note... and when he played it... it was pefect, like a recording... he was amazing..... he couldnt write anything original... but he could play other people stuff perfectly.
My point is.... we all know, or have known, people like that... so there is no neeed for any snotty ass, holier-than-thou attitudes on this board. No one needs to act all high and mighty. If you can play it, then play it, record and post it on youtube... get applause from IORR... or not.
It is just odd that I (we) have heard Keith NOT play it correctly live for year and years. I listen for it, and he blows it, baddly, most of the time. It is just unusual.
I dont know what your problem is but heres the thing. This solo is incredibly easy to play its not even hard to come up with because its a basic blues solo. Its good, it has a special unique sound to it, with the chord progression the solo becomes bigger than it actually is. Even bigger than life, thanks to the song. But, it's not anywhere near the butterfly that lived in Jimi Hendrixs fingers and it's nowhere near the symphonic progressions of Hotel California. Or Ed Kings virtuoso like picikings on Sweet home Alabama.
Now, there are a billion guitar players on and off youtube. Im one of those who can sound excactly like Keith Richards. Do you know why? Because i just like the rest of us listened real hard to his guitar.
So there no mistery here. Listen, copy and learn - and then bring out the musician get into your system, to the bone.
All you who play guitar know what I mean. You learn the song and then you "become" the song, you make the most of JJF, you get that perfect feel on Rambler when it really comes alive. Same with Dance little sister or Prodigal son or Parachute Woman. Or YCAGWYW and why not You got the silver. The rifing on Live with me. The solo on Gimme Shelter. And this is the easy stuff. Worried bout you, Keiths licks on the standard tuned version of YCAGWYW on Rock n roll circus.
Either you have the blues or you dont. Either you can get a whole soundtrack out of one note or you cant. I know I can becasue I am a musician and I've gradually also learned Keiths riffs, songs, licks etc. Not all of them but still. And after awhile they sort of move into your system. You suddenly not only copy. This is nothing new or unique in anyway at all.
Same feeling Keith got when he sat in his room and had to live thru Berry, or ten years later in the studio corner listening to the young brat Ry Cooder play like a freaking genius. You have to copy it note by note and then, from there learn it again but with your own touch (what Keith finally did in 1971 recording Exile) or "adopt the art" of the composer, meaning you start to play like you were Keith.
Max, this is no BS every guitar player or musician on iorr know what I mean. Some of them are brave enough to upload videos, some are better than others but still.
Please do your thing, whatever that is, on another thread not this one.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
GravityBoy
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Date: December 15, 2011 13:41
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tomk
Well, this isn't me, but this guy nails it pretty good. True, it's not that difficult, the licks, but coming up with it a different story.
I never tried to play it before, I always though the first few notes would be too difficult.
But it's just a rake if that video is correct.
Now I'm going to have a go.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 13:41 by GravityBoy.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: December 15, 2011 13:56
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tomk
Well, this isn't me, but this guy nails it pretty good. True, it's not that difficult, the licks, but coming up with it a different story.
I never tried to play it before, I always though the first few notes would be too difficult.
But it's just a rake if that video is correct.
Now I'm going to have a go.
It seems he's playing the first lick differently to how it is on the record. He's missing out a D note on the 2nd string during the first lick.
It's hard to hear his actual playing because the backing is so loud.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 14:01 by His Majesty.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
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Date: December 15, 2011 15:29
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Max'sKansasCity
Havent read this thread for a while... always amusing to check in on this type of thing on IORR... read posters acting all high and mighty..... well how about this... lets invite Justin and Mathijs and anyone else who feels like it/ talks like it / posts like it.... to let the music do the talking. Do it (and more) and post it on youtube.
With the old band we did some 250 or so shows, and won a contest of best tribute band, so there's not much more to prove I guess...
Mathijs
Post some gigs with fluid MT guitar solos. Than you prove something to me.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
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Date: December 15, 2011 15:50
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Max'sKansasCity
Havent read this thread for a while... always amusing to check in on this type of thing on IORR... read posters acting all high and mighty..... well how about this... lets invite Justin and Mathijs and anyone else who feels like it/ talks like it / posts like it.... to let the music do the talking. Do it (and more) and post it on youtube.
With the old band we did some 250 or so shows, and won a contest of best tribute band, so there's not much more to prove I guess...
Mathijs
Post some gigs with fluid MT guitar solos. Than you prove something to me.
I think Mathijs did that some years ago.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: December 15, 2011 16:17
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Amsterdamned
Post some gigs with fluid MT guitar solos. Than you prove something to me.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
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Date: December 15, 2011 18:17
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Max'sKansasCity
Thanks for those tomk
I am hoping some of our local guitar heros (supposed experts) do it for us and without the actual song/band playing so loudly in the background... we know what it sounds like... so let er rip boys....come on, everyone has a video device, and posting to youtube is soooo easy.
But ya know, I am not even sure what the point of this thread is. Really, what is the point? I used to go to school with a cival engineer (he went on to design bridges, he was smart, a freekin genius) anyway... this guy could play anything note for note... I mean anything... anything from Hendrix to Page or Eddie VanHalen... he would use LPs to learn it note for note... and when he played it... it was pefect, like a recording... he was amazing..... he couldnt write anything original... but he could play other people stuff perfectly.
My point is.... we all know, or have known, people like that... so there is no neeed for any snotty ass, holier-than-thou attitudes on this board. No one needs to act all high and mighty. If you can play it, then play it, record and post it on youtube... get applause from IORR... or not.
It is just odd that I (we) have heard Keith NOT play it correctly live for year and years. I listen for it, and he blows it, baddly, most of the time. It is just unusual.
I dont know what your problem is but heres the thing. This solo is incredibly easy to play its not even hard to come up with because its a basic blues solo. Its good, it has a special unique sound to it, with the chord progression the solo becomes bigger than it actually is. Even bigger than life, thanks to the song. But, it's not anywhere near the butterfly that lived in Jimi Hendrixs fingers and it's nowhere near the symphonic progressions of Hotel California. Or Ed Kings virtuoso like picikings on Sweet home Alabama.
Now, there are a billion guitar players on and off youtube. Im one of those who can sound excactly like Keith Richards. Do you know why? Because i just like the rest of us listened real hard to his guitar.
So there no mistery here. Listen, copy and learn - and then bring out the musician get into your system, to the bone.
All you who play guitar know what I mean. You learn the song and then you "become" the song, you make the most of JJF, you get that perfect feel on Rambler when it really comes alive. Same with Dance little sister or Prodigal son or Parachute Woman. Or YCAGWYW and why not You got the silver. The rifing on Live with me. The solo on Gimme Shelter. And this is the easy stuff. Worried bout you, Keiths licks on the standard tuned version of YCAGWYW on Rock n roll circus.
Either you have the blues or you dont. Either you can get a whole soundtrack out of one note or you cant. I know I can becasue I am a musician and I've gradually also learned Keiths riffs, songs, licks etc. Not all of them but still. And after awhile they sort of move into your system. You suddenly not only copy. This is nothing new or unique in anyway at all.
Same feeling Keith got when he sat in his room and had to live thru Berry, or ten years later in the studio corner listening to the young brat Ry Cooder play like a freaking genius. You have to copy it note by note and then, from there learn it again but with your own touch (what Keith finally did in 1971 recording Exile) or "adopt the art" of the composer, meaning you start to play like you were Keith.
Max, this is no BS every guitar player or musician on iorr know what I mean. Some of them are brave enough to upload videos, some are better than others but still.
Please do your thing, whatever that is, on another thread not this one.
lol, yeah, about what I expected.
Hey redhothead, there is no need for your high and mighty holier than thou attitude trying to tell people where they are allowed to post.
I was NOT being snotty when I first posted about maybe using a capo, I was offering a possible tip. I never said Keith needed it, or guitar experts needed it.... I was NOT acting like some kind guitar god. I was not holding myself out as some guitar expert, or holier than thou quoter of "either ya got the blues or ya dont" ...I was simply saying if a novice guitar player wanted to play this lick and they used a capo it might make it a lil easier on them. Then people stormed in and started ranting how ludicrous using a capo is... or quoting me specifiically, telling me what was what. They addressed me, I replied.
Then I simply replied.... if anyone is such a hot guitar player, and this lick is so simple, then how about show us, or if you dont want to... then that is ok too...
There is no need to get upitty towards me or try to tell me to post else where... I will post where I want when I want.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 18:18 by Max'sKansasCity.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
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Date: December 15, 2011 18:24
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Havent read this thread for a while... always amusing to check in on this type of thing on IORR... read posters acting all high and mighty..... well how about this... lets invite Justin and Mathijs and anyone else who feels like it/ talks like it / posts like it.... to show us this solo... it is easy... post it to youtube... give us a look, come on, it will be fun....
.... or of course 151 reasons not to (want to) do it is fine too
What does my post about capos have to do with me playing the Sympathy solo?
You suggested Keith used a capo to play the solo...I explained how that wasn't the case- and now you're egging people on to post their videos just so you could give them crap. Well played.
I never suggested Keith used a capo.
You quoted me. You replied to me, I was simply replying back, I was not giving anyone crap.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 18:33 by Max'sKansasCity.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: December 15, 2011 18:32
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Max'sKansasCity
Havent read this thread for a while... always amusing to check in on this type of thing on IORR... read posters acting all high and mighty..... well how about this... lets invite Justin and Mathijs and anyone else who feels like it/ talks like it / posts like it.... to let the music do the talking. Do it (and more) and post it on youtube.
With the old band we did some 250 or so shows, and won a contest of best tribute band, so there's not much more to prove I guess...
Mathijs
Post some gigs with fluid MT guitar solos. Than you prove something to me.
There's quite a lot of video's around, so do a search. I believe the Panama Amsterdam Farewell gig and the Kurhaus gig are even available on torrent sites, but I don't have clue how that works. There where a dozen or so vids on Youtube, don't know if they're still there.
Mathijs
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
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Date: December 15, 2011 18:35
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Max'sKansasCity
Havent read this thread for a while... always amusing to check in on this type of thing on IORR... read posters acting all high and mighty..... well how about this... lets invite Justin and Mathijs and anyone else who feels like it/ talks like it / posts like it.... to let the music do the talking. Do it (and more) and post it on youtube.
With the old band we did some 250 or so shows, and won a contest of best tribute band, so there's not much more to prove I guess...
Mathijs
Post some gigs with fluid MT guitar solos. Than you prove something to me.
I think Mathijs did that some years ago.
I'm very curious...please post one fragment of these gigs...250? Weeeewwww.
How many (blues-)guitarists I met who said how easy it is to play like BB King...3 notes per minute...and no, Peter Green wasn't one of them.
I do not see the Dave Mason relation by the way...I have a few of these Traffic live gigs ('67/'68) with him, and although his playing is great, I don't hear one Dave in SFTD...and no Keith either...mmmmh
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Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Sacke
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Date: December 15, 2011 18:43
I like the Mick Taylor parts...
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Sacke
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Date: December 15, 2011 18:46
What the...is that van Duijvenbode on vocals???
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:00
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Sacke
I do not see the Dave Mason relation by the way...I have a few of these Traffic live gigs ('67/'68) with him, and although his playing is great, I don't hear one Dave in SFTD...and no Keith either...mmmmh
A few people mistakenly thought Dave played the solo on Dear Mr Fantasy, But Dave played bass on the studio version and played bass when Traffic played it live.
The song clearly influenced the early versions of Sympathy For The Devil, especially the slow version where Keith is sitting playing electric guitar in standard tuning in One Plus One.
These connections became a jumble, much like the capo talk.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:06
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tomk
Well, this isn't me, but this guy nails it pretty good. True, it's not that difficult, the licks, but coming up with it a different story.
I never tried to play it before, I always though the first few notes would be too difficult.
But it's just a rake if that video is correct.
Now I'm going to have a go.
It seems he's playing the first lick differently to how it is on the record. He's missing out a D note on the 2nd string during the first lick.
It's hard to hear his actual playing because the backing is so loud.
This is how the opening lick should be played...
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:17
Yes, I noticed that the guy in the first youtube clip didn't get the beginning right - missing the D note
The strange thing about the SFTD solo is that it is SO easy to play, even though it sounds so terrific; since it's basically just the lightest tones of the pentatonic scale. It was one of the first solos I ever understood how should be done - as a 10 year old. Interesting thread, this.
The strange thing about the SFTD solo is that it is SO easy to play, even though it sounds so terrific; since it's basically just the lightest tones of the pentatonic scale. It was one of the first solos I ever understood how should be done - as a 10 year old. Interesting thread, this.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:26
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Erik_Snow
Yes, I noticed that the guy in the first youtube clip didn't get the beginning right - missing the D note
The strange thing about the SFTD solo is that it is SO easy to play, even though it sounds so terrific; since it's basically just the lightest tones of the pentatonic scale. It was one of the first solos I ever understood how should be done - as a 10 year old. Interesting thread, this.
It's easy to get a mental block over things even if they are easy or obvious, like some folks not being able to hear that it's Keith playing the solo.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:31
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Yes, I noticed that the guy in the first youtube clip didn't get the beginning right - missing the D note
The strange thing about the SFTD solo is that it is SO easy to play, even though it sounds so terrific; since it's basically just the lightest tones of the pentatonic scale. It was one of the first solos I ever understood how should be done - as a 10 year old. Interesting thread, this.
It's easy to get a mental block over things even if they are easy or obvious, like some folks not being able to hear that it's Keith playing the solo.
Yeah; and it's difficult (considering how obvious it is) trying to convince those people; to show them they are incorrect. People love standing by their opinions; especially when posting at messageboards.
Reminds me of the (horrible) fake Rolling Stones track "Angel Eyes" or the "electric 1995 Wild Horses" track.....some people believed it was Jagger singing.....unbelievable enough. But one couldn't convince them that it wasn't Jagger singing - nomatter what one told them....he he - that was funny
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:34
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Max'sKansasCity
Havent read this thread for a while... always amusing to check in on this type of thing on IORR... read posters acting all high and mighty..... well how about this... lets invite Justin and Mathijs and anyone else who feels like it/ talks like it / posts like it.... to let the music do the talking. Do it (and more) and post it on youtube.
With the old band we did some 250 or so shows, and won a contest of best tribute band, so there's not much more to prove I guess...
Mathijs
Post some gigs with fluid MT guitar solos. Than you prove something to me.
There's quite a lot of video's around, so do a search. I believe the Panama Amsterdam Farewell gig and the Kurhaus gig are even available on torrent sites, but I don't have clue how that works. There where a dozen or so vids on Youtube, don't know if they're still there.
Mathijs
This is one of the few times you don't know how things work.
Thank's anyway.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:38
So pretty much people agree it is easy to play.... So I wonder why Keith botches it up so often when he plays it live, and he has been botching it for years and years in concert..... long before his fingers (rumor has it) started failing him.
If I have seen Keith play it 25 times... he has botched it baddly 20 times, and I dont mean he changed it to sound different or better, I mean it sounded poorly played.
If I have seen Keith play it 25 times... he has botched it baddly 20 times, and I dont mean he changed it to sound different or better, I mean it sounded poorly played.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
NoCode0680
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:45
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Max'sKansasCity
So pretty much people agree it is easy to play.... So I wonder why Keith botches it up so often when he plays it live, and he has been botching it for years and years in concert..... long before his fingers (rumor has it) started failing him.
If I have seen Keith play it 25 times... he has botched it baddly 20 times, and I dont mean he changed it to sound different or better, I mean it sounded poorly played.
Maybe it's the difference between just chilling in the studio and laying down a track, and being in front of a live audience. Personally I can play the solo, but 9 times out of 10 I'll botch some part of it. In the studio they had the leisure of doing take after take until they got it perfect. Plus in a live setting you have the added pressure of only having 1 shot. It's sort of like when you watch a football game and the commentators always say that before the game in warmups the kicker was nailing 50-60 yard field goals with ease, then in the actual game he shanks a 30 yarder.
Also, in recent years SFTD comes late in the show, often after the B-Stage, maybe by that point Keiths fingers are starting to tire. I don't know.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:46
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Max'sKansasCity
So pretty much people agree it is easy to play.... So I wonder why Keith botches it up so often when he plays it live, and he has been botching it for years and years in concert..... long before his fingers (rumor has it) started failing him.
If I have seen Keith play it 25 times... he has botched it baddly 20 times, and I dont mean he changed it to sound different or better, I mean it sounded poorly played.
It's possible that the solo on the record might a composite of different takes and the slowed down tape idea isn't all that far fetched if someone wanted a solo to sound fast, but couldn't quite play what they wanted on a recording running at it's normal speed.
Bare in mind, he's never played Jumpin' Jack Flash, Gimme Shelter etc etc live as per the studio versions either. The solo is one of those many magical Rolling Stones studio moments captured on tape never to be repeated again.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
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Mathijs
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:46
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What the...is that van Duijvenbode on vocals???
It sure is Duijf, now Tim Knol's mainman, and session tiger per excellence.
Mathijs
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:50
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Sacke
I like the Mick Taylor parts...
Wow, that's some time ago! That actually was my best impersonation of a 1964 Keith Richards solo. We actually never rehearsed let alone played this track, we where told the Stones opened the Kurhaus gig with that song a day before our show, and our singer came back from a holiday that morning. You can see we where nervous, opening a show in front of 1500 people and the entire national press with a song we never did before.
Mathijs
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:51
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Max'sKansasCity
So pretty much people agree it is easy to play.... So I wonder why Keith botches it up so often when he plays it live, and he has been botching it for years and years in concert..... long before his fingers (rumor has it) started failing him.
If I have seen Keith play it 25 times... he has botched it baddly 20 times, and I dont mean he changed it to sound different or better, I mean it sounded poorly played.
Maybe it's the difference between just chilling in the studio and laying down a track, and being in front of a live audience. Personally I can play the solo, but 9 times out of 10 I'll botch some part of it. In the studio they had the leisure of doing take after take until they got it perfect. Plus in a live setting you have the added pressure of only having 1 shot. It's sort of like when you watch a football game and the commentators always say that before the game in warmups the kicker was nailing 50-60 yard field goals with ease, then in the actual game he shanks a 30 yarder.
Also, in recent years SFTD comes late in the show, often after the B-Stage, maybe by that point Keiths fingers are starting to tire. I don't know.
I would guess Keith has no intention of copying the studio-solo - and that it has nothing to do with him being unable to "copy" it. SFTD is one of them songs that begs for different guitar-solos everytime; as the possibilities are so many.....just like on songs like "All Along The Watchtower" or "Little Red Rooster". Copying the studio solo would just seem silly. And staying clear of the studio solo also makes the studio solo being remembered as something "holy" in his musicial career - like it's written in stone; since we don't get to hear attempts on Keith trying to copying it all the time.
Anyway; that's just my guess....I'd feel like that; if it was my solo/song. When it comes to very recent years, somebody pointed out that Keith doesn't like the arrangement of SFTD....which is very understandable....and therefor doesn't give a hoot about that song. On the ABB tour - this was quite obvious; at certain shows; especially that 2005 show in which Keith just walks out on; during the solo (available on youtube)
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:51
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Max'sKansasCity
So pretty much people agree it is easy to play.... So I wonder why Keith botches it up so often when he plays it live, and he has been botching it for years and years in concert..... long before his fingers (rumor has it) started failing him.
If I have seen Keith play it 25 times... he has botched it baddly 20 times, and I dont mean he changed it to sound different or better, I mean it sounded poorly played.
It's possible that the solo on the record might a composite of different takes and the slowed down tape idea isn't all that far fetched if someone wanted a solo to sound fast, but couldn't quite play what they wanted on a recording running at it's normal speed.
Bare in mind, he's never played Jumpin' Jack Flash, Gimme Shelter etc etc live as per the studio versions either. The solo is one of those many magical Rolling Stones studio moments captured on tape never to be repeated again.
ok ok... but for the benefit of the original poster, who thought it was hard to play...then people say it is so easy that a 10 year old should be able to play it... then is must be easy to play.... so if it is so easy, Keith should be able to nail it every time. right?... as I said earlier, it was not a metter of playing it different... what he played sounded botched.... and if they are playing war horses to keep the masses hapopy, and people/masses love this solo,,, why change it?
ah anyway,,, it is not this big of deal... /end of line for me
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 19:56 by Max'sKansasCity.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:52
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His Majesty
Bare in mind, he's never played Jumpin' Jack Flash, Gimme Shelter etc etc live as per the studio versions either. The solo is one of those many magical Rolling Stones studio moments captured on tape never to be repeated again.
Hey; didn't see your post, as I writing mine - that's something of the same as I wrote....indeed; these songs gets more magical or holy; when they never try to do it exactly like the original when live in concert.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
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His Majesty
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:53
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Sacke
I like the Mick Taylor parts...
Wow, that's some time ago! That actually was my best impersonation of a 1964 Keith Richards solo. We actually never rehearsed let alone played this track, we where told the Stones opened the Kurhaus gig with that song a day before our show, and our singer came back from a holiday that morning. You can see we where nervous, opening a show in front of 1500 people and the entire national press with a song we never did before.
Mathijs
Great job on that!
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:55
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Mathijs
Wow, that's some time ago! That actually was my best impersonation of a 1964 Keith Richards solo. We actually never rehearsed let alone played this track, we where told the Stones opened the Kurhaus gig with that song a day before our show, and our singer came back from a holiday that morning. You can see we where nervous, opening a show in front of 1500 people and the entire national press with a song we never did before.
Looks like a real lousy audience you have there. I would had found it impossible to rock out with all those staring male statues there; they don't move around at all. Very good band....nice singing and guitarplaying, for sure - but the bassplayer ain't no Bill Wyman! - but maybe it's just the sound
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-15 20:00 by Erik_Snow.
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Justin
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Date: December 15, 2011 19:59
It's not the issue of Keith flubbing/botching/screwing up the solo in concert as it's more he doesn't care to do it. As much as we love those wonderful little clusters of notes in that solo it's obvious Keith never thought much of it if he never tried to duplicate it. Keith never cared much for solos and more importantly he has never strived to play something the same twice. I have NEVER heard him duplicate a guitar part twice. Keith is like a jazz player in that sense.
Over the decades you can bits and pieces of the original solo sprinkled throughout his solos during Sympathy (which proves it was him actually playing it) but he's never consciously done the entire thing. To me, it's a sign that he could care less about trying to duplicate it...it was just a solo. They needed a solo, so he laid something down right there in the studio. No big deal to Keith.
Keith's mentality isn't "let me do what I've done" but always been "what else can I do?"
Over the decades you can bits and pieces of the original solo sprinkled throughout his solos during Sympathy (which proves it was him actually playing it) but he's never consciously done the entire thing. To me, it's a sign that he could care less about trying to duplicate it...it was just a solo. They needed a solo, so he laid something down right there in the studio. No big deal to Keith.
Keith's mentality isn't "let me do what I've done" but always been "what else can I do?"
Re: Sympathy For The Devil Guitar Solo
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: December 15, 2011 20:12
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Mathijs
Wow, that's some time ago! That actually was my best impersonation of a 1964 Keith Richards solo. We actually never rehearsed let alone played this track, we where told the Stones opened the Kurhaus gig with that song a day before our show, and our singer came back from a holiday that morning. You can see we where nervous, opening a show in front of 1500 people and the entire national press with a song we never did before.
Looks like a real lousy audience you have there. I would had found it impossible to rock out with all those staring male statues there; they don't move around at all. Very good band....nice singing and guitarplaying, for sure - but the bassplayer ain't no Bill Wyman! - but maybe it's just the sound
I think both the band and the audience where a bit overwhelmed by the entourage. There where a dozen camera's rolling and it was broadcasted live on national radio. We did two sets, the first being the Kurhaus set and the second our 'own', and during the latter, when beer flowed and camera's where gone, the vibe got a lot better.
I got some video's of some real rowdy shows, great fun. There's one where our beloved singer, weighing in at 50 kg's, tries to stop a fight between a dozen or so healthy farmer boys. What a sight.
Mathijs
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