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Rokyfan
Frightened may be the wrong word, but given that B+L was both a critical and commercial success, they clearly do not want to put anything out that would fall short in either way. The last thing they want is reviews saying they should have stuck to the old stuff. They are not frightened, but they are concerned with their image.
They need to all go to the same studio at the same time and play. That's just my opinion. I don't see individual band members going into different studios ad hoc as a band working on an album. Working out songs in preparation for band sessions, OK. But it's just preliminary work, I think (hope?).
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Hairball
Having this division of camps with all of the outside help,assistance,guidance, and input from sources outside the band runs the risk of there being too many cooks in the kitchen.
Seems an odd way to work with a teammate - in separate locker rooms so to speak - designing separate strategies for the big game.
When they reunite on the field after the pep talk, they might be running in opposite directions or in circles not really knowing which way the goal line is.
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Monsoon Ragoon
Wouldn't it be easier to finish 12 or 15 excellent and still unused outtakes from 1977 onwards like Fiji Jim or Still In Love (the latter was revisited not so long ago)? It would probably be the better album than mediocre all new stuff and I wouldn't take five years.
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IanBillen
I'm sure Mick and Keith wrote some tracks together as well .. They spent a week together .. Im sure they got at least four to six keepers out of that batch.
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Monsoon Ragoon
Wouldn't it be easier to finish 12 or 15 excellent and still unused outtakes from 1977 onwards like Fiji Jim or Still In Love (the latter was revisited not so long ago)? It would probably be the better album than mediocre all new stuff and it wouldn't take five years. They live in the past anyway, have nothing to lose. And at least it would be their own stuff.
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Monsoon Ragoon
Wouldn't it be easier to finish 12 or 15 excellent and still unused outtakes from 1977 onwards like Fiji Jim or Still In Love (the latter was revisited not so long ago)? It would probably be the better album than mediocre all new stuff and it wouldn't take five years. They live in the past anyway, have nothing to lose. And at least it would be their own stuff.
I totally agree. They could work on the best 4/5 outtakes from previuos sessions.
They have good stuff like Fiji Jim, What's the matter, Treat me like a fool, She Never Listen to me, Chain Saw Rocker, Not the way to Go, Eliza...
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Wouldn't it be easier to finish 12 or 15 excellent and still unused outtakes from 1977 onwards like Fiji Jim or Still In Love (the latter was revisited not so long ago)? It would probably be the better album than mediocre all new stuff and it wouldn't take five years. They live in the past anyway, have nothing to lose. And at least it would be their own stuff.
I totally agree. They could work on the best 4/5 outtakes from previuos sessions.
They have good stuff like Fiji Jim, What's the matter, Treat me like a fool, She Never Listen to me, Chain Saw Rocker, Not the way to Go, Eliza...
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Monsoon Ragoon
Wouldn't it be easier to finish 12 or 15 excellent and still unused outtakes from 1977 onwards like Fiji Jim or Still In Love (the latter was revisited not so long ago)? It would probably be the better album than mediocre all new stuff and it wouldn't take five years. They live in the past anyway, have nothing to lose. And at least it would be their own stuff.
I totally agree. They could work on the best 4/5 outtakes from previuos sessions.
They have good stuff like Fiji Jim, What's the matter, Treat me like a fool, She Never Listen to me, Chain Saw Rocker, Not the way to Go, Eliza...
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Agreed.maybe do a double album of outtakes abd before the Uk tour their new album.
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Monsoon Ragoon
Wouldn't it be easier to finish 12 or 15 excellent and still unused outtakes from 1977 onwards like Fiji Jim or Still In Love (the latter was revisited not so long ago)? It would probably be the better album than mediocre all new stuff and I wouldn't take five years.
Agree Monsoon - was just reading all about Tattoo You in the "Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes" thread (great thread by the way), and don't see why they couldn't repeat that process of cobbling bits and pieces from the past to make something "new" and great.Quote
IanBillen
I'm sure Mick and Keith wrote some tracks together as well .. They spent a week together .. Im sure they got at least four to six keepers out of that batch.
You really think so Ian? At least least four to six keepers after working together for only a week?
Hmmmm...sounds a bit unrealistic given the circumstances, but I suppose it's possible?
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Monsoon Ragoon
Wouldn't it be easier to finish 12 or 15 excellent and still unused outtakes from 1977 onwards like Fiji Jim or Still In Love (the latter was revisited not so long ago)? It would probably be the better album than mediocre all new stuff and it wouldn't take five years. They live in the past anyway, have nothing to lose. And at least it would be their own stuff.
I totally agree. They could work on the best 4/5 outtakes from previuos sessions.
They have good stuff like Fiji Jim, What's the matter, Treat me like a fool, She Never Listen to me, Chain Saw Rocker, Not the way to Go, Eliza...
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Agreed.maybe do a double album of outtakes abd before the Uk tour their new album.
Jeroen
Double album: New original material and older outtakes.....I've tried this title before and still like it: "Old, New, Borrowed and Blue"
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Monsoon Ragoon
Wouldn't it be easier to finish 12 or 15 excellent and still unused outtakes from 1977 onwards like Fiji Jim or Still In Love (the latter was revisited not so long ago)? It would probably be the better album than mediocre all new stuff and it wouldn't take five years. They live in the past anyway, have nothing to lose. And at least it would be their own stuff.
I totally agree. They could work on the best 4/5 outtakes from previuos sessions.
They have good stuff like Fiji Jim, What's the matter, Treat me like a fool, She Never Listen to me, Chain Saw Rocker, Not the way to Go, Eliza...
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Agreed.maybe do a double album of outtakes abd before the Uk tour their new album.
Jeroen
Double album: New original material and older outtakes.....I've tried this title before and still like it: "Old, New, Borrowed and Blue"
Or Yesterday and Today...doesn't matter if the Beatles used it first, that's never stopped the Stones from borrowing ideas from them in the past.
Or maybe they could do a stand alone album of originals with an additional deluxe edition filled with older outtakes. Also a Super deluxe that includes originals, outtakes, and some live rarities from the latter era.
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Bungo
I'm sure no one will believe this but I'm gonna lay it out there anyway :
Last week I was sipping Tequila at the pool in Hotel California in Todos Santos Mexico when a chap sat down near me and with little else to do we started chatting. Long story short it turns out he is close to the recording process of the new Stones record (engineer or studio technician or something) and he goes in to saying how incredible the new songs are, "classic drug fueled Stones" I believe he described them, "right up there with Sticky Fingers or Exile". He also mentioned something about Keith not letting Mick inject any of his silly "techno pop rubbish" onto what may very well be their last studio effort.
Anyway, make of it what you will,even though some good Mexican blow, weed and Tequila were present during the conversation.
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Monsoon Ragoon
Wouldn't it be easier to finish 12 or 15 excellent and still unused outtakes from 1977 onwards like Fiji Jim or Still In Love (the latter was revisited not so long ago)? It would probably be the better album than mediocre all new stuff and it wouldn't take five years. They live in the past anyway, have nothing to lose. And at least it would be their own stuff.
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Monsoon Ragoon
Wouldn't it be easier to finish 12 or 15 excellent and still unused outtakes from 1977 onwards like Fiji Jim or Still In Love (the latter was revisited not so long ago)? It would probably be the better album than mediocre all new stuff and I wouldn't take five years.
Agree Monsoon - was just reading all about Tattoo You in the "Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes" thread (great thread by the way), and don't see why they couldn't repeat that process of cobbling bits and pieces from the past to make something "new" and great.Quote
IanBillen
I'm sure Mick and Keith wrote some tracks together as well .. They spent a week together .. Im sure they got at least four to six keepers out of that batch.
You really think so Ian? At least least four to six keepers after working together for only a week?
Hmmmm...sounds a bit unrealistic given the circumstances, but I suppose it's possible?
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Howdy ..They have written three songs a day .. and enough for a whole album in two weeks in their somewhat recent past (including A Bigger Bang .. according to Don Was he was saying they were writing 'three a day' at times). I'm not saying the songs they wrote in that week were all finished at that point or 110% written ... Im saying they easily have the basis for them written and that 4 or six of them are worthy to be worked up by the band or built upon as keepers.
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Bungo
I'm sure no one will believe this but I'm gonna lay it out there anyway :
Last week I was sipping Tequila at the pool in Hotel California in Todos Santos Mexico when a chap sat down near me and with little else to do we started chatting. Long story short it turns out he is close to the recording process of the new Stones record (engineer or studio technician or something) and he goes in to saying how incredible the new songs are, "classic drug fueled Stones" I believe he described them, "right up there with Sticky Fingers or Exile". He also mentioned something about Keith not letting Mick inject any of his silly "techno pop rubbish" onto what may very well be their last studio effort.
Anyway, make of it what you will,even though some good Mexican blow, weed and Tequila were present during the conversation.
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Monsoon Ragoon
Wouldn't it be easier to finish 12 or 15 excellent and still unused outtakes from 1977 onwards like Fiji Jim or Still In Love (the latter was revisited not so long ago)? It would probably be the better album than mediocre all new stuff and I wouldn't take five years.
Agree Monsoon - was just reading all about Tattoo You in the "Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes" thread (great thread by the way), and don't see why they couldn't repeat that process of cobbling bits and pieces from the past to make something "new" and great.Quote
IanBillen
I'm sure Mick and Keith wrote some tracks together as well .. They spent a week together .. Im sure they got at least four to six keepers out of that batch.
You really think so Ian? At least least four to six keepers after working together for only a week?
Hmmmm...sounds a bit unrealistic given the circumstances, but I suppose it's possible?
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Howdy ..They have written three songs a day .. and enough for a whole album in two weeks in their somewhat recent past (including A Bigger Bang .. according to Don Was he was saying they were writing 'three a day' at times). I'm not saying the songs they wrote in that week were all finished at that point or 110% written ... Im saying they easily have the basis for them written and that 4 or six of them are worthy to be worked up by the band or built upon as keepers.
Wouldn't 110% written be overwritten?
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Hairball
Interesting stuff Ian.
Hopefully some of the songs they've worked on aren't already outdated lyric wise- an example being if Mick had written something about the Trump/Clinton debates....not very relevant anymore.
Or a song about the Zika virus - a big story in 2016 and maybe still relevant, but might not have the same impact as it would have if released last year.
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Monsoon Ragoon
I fear they will make a fool of themselves with cuts similar to Rough Justice or Sparks Will Fly. You can record things like that at 62, but when you're in your mid-70s? I don't know.