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Hi Ian. I was also hoping and thinking they would at least talk about the album during the tour- whether it was during soundchecks, backstage, or wherever...or even while traveling in between cities. And if I recall, someone was doubting any of that could happen...saying "why would they talk about a new album at soundcheck? Or backstage? Or anywhere? They're in the middle of a tour"!!! But sure enough, mpj200 let it be known that it never happened, so I have to put my trust in his inside knowledge of the situation. And now Mick says he hasn't listened to any of the tracks "for awhile, probably not since the Stones took off on tour earlier this summer"....in other words months ago. Make of that what you will - if you think they worked on it during the tour or even talked about it behind closed doors during the tour, that's your choice. But something tells me it was the furthest thing from any of their minds as they had priorities to deal with and taking care of the business at hand - the No Filter Tour. What we know now based on what Don Was said ..."You probably won't see it in 2018."
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IanBillen
We now know Mick was actually going through Rolling Stones songs ..>>WHILE ON TOUR<< .
Hmmmm....
The way I read that quote "I have not heard it for a while, probably not since the Stones took off on tour earlier this summer" is that he hasn't listened to or even thought about the tracks since before the tour started which was Sept. 9 (over three months ago). Maybe at the very beginning of the tour, burt definitely not towards the middle or end. It was mpj200 who gave us some inside info about the album not being talked about, and there's no reason to doubt him as nothing in that quote from Mick indicates the Stones as a band gave it any thought at all. But back in L.A. a week or so ago , he's finally giving it some thought again. "I'm gonna pick out the ones I really like...I'm in the process but not quite there yet". If these recordings were anywhere close to completion, you would think he could sit down and pick out the ones he likes within a few hours or a few days at the most and then send them to Keith. Maybe Mick is second guessing all the work that was done, or at the very least heavily scrutinizing it all. Which makes me wonder what Keith was doing in the New York studio besides working on new ideas for a Stones album - maybe he has a plan B if the Stones album keeps getting brushed aside.
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We now know Mick was actually going through Rolling Stones songs ..>>WHILE ON TOUR<< .
Hmmmm....
The way I read that quote "I have not heard it for a while, probably not since the Stones took off on tour earlier this summer" is that he hasn't listened to or even thought about the tracks since before the tour started which was Sept. 9 (over three months ago). Maybe at the very beginning of the tour, burt definitely not towards the middle or end. It was mpj200 who gave us some inside info about the album not being talked about, and there's no reason to doubt him as nothing in that quote from Mick indicates the Stones as a band gave it any thought at all. But back in L.A. a week or so ago , he's finally giving it some thought again. "I'm gonna pick out the ones I really like...I'm in the process but not quite there yet". If these recordings were anywhere close to completion, you would think he could sit down and pick out the ones he likes within a few hours or a few days at the most and then send them to Keith. Maybe Mick is second guessing all the work that was done, or at the very least heavily scrutinizing it all. Which makes me wonder what Keith was doing in the New York studio besides working on new ideas for a Stones album - maybe he has a plan B if the Stones album keeps getting brushed aside.
The material is crap - that's what he says indirectly with this sentence. And: they have no intention to actually release the so called new album in 2018. They just hang around and wait for the next 14 shows where they each get a million bucks per show for playing the 18 same songs (plus two different ones). Sounds hard, but... that's how things like this end.
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listening to a senior citizen carrying on with “huh, yeah substantial damage baby”isn’t great rock and roll unless you’re just pretending.
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listening to a senior citizen carrying on with “huh, yeah substantial damage baby”isn’t great rock and roll unless you’re just pretending.
If you are content listening to Beggar's Banquet over and over, why advocate denying me new Stones music just because you don't like it. They can do what they want. Don't buy it. Your whole argument sounds just like the stereotypical "senior citizen carrying on".
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lem motlow
listening to a senior citizen carrying on with “huh, yeah substantial damage baby”isn’t great rock and roll unless you’re just pretending.
If you are content listening to Beggar's Banquet over and over, why advocate denying me new Stones music just because you don't like it. They can do what they want. Don't buy it. Your whole argument sounds just like the stereotypical "senior citizen carrying on".
To be fair I think Lem Motlow has a point. When you read it in black and white a guy in his mid 70s mumbling "Substantial Damage" does seen faintly ludicrous.
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lem motlow
listening to a senior citizen carrying on with “huh, yeah substantial damage baby”isn’t great rock and roll unless you’re just pretending.
If you are content listening to Beggar's Banquet over and over, why advocate denying me new Stones music just because you don't like it. They can do what they want. Don't buy it. Your whole argument sounds just like the stereotypical "senior citizen carrying on".
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lem motlow
listening to a senior citizen carrying on with “huh, yeah substantial damage baby”isn’t great rock and roll unless you’re just pretending.
If you are content listening to Beggar's Banquet over and over, why advocate denying me new Stones music just because you don't like it. They can do what they want. Don't buy it. Your whole argument sounds just like the stereotypical "senior citizen carrying on".
I would never advocate denying you a collection of Richards/Jordan-Jagger/Clifford songs that say Jagger/Richards on them.look at the page on rollingstones.com that has the entire catalog together-the last one has what looks like a remake of back to the egg for a cover and contains a song that shares a title with 80s hair band poisons “look what the cat dragged in”to be fair to ol Brett and CC the lyrics aren’t much better.I remember seeing Keith saying that title and thinking -great,can’t wait for your version of “talk dirty to me”
When you begin remaking goodnight Irene it’s time to be held by your arm and quietly led away.
England lost ..England lost,no Mick I think the record buying public lost...
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GasLightStreet
A BIGGER BANG sold over a million in the US when it was released originally. It was RIAA certified platinum.
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Bjorn
Stones should record EC-penned tracks?
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georgelicks
US sales
2.500,000 Steel Wheels
2.400,000 Voodoo Lounge
1.400,000 Bridges To Babylon
650,000 A Bigger Bang
350,000 Blue & Lonesome
85-90% of the buying public of Steel Wheels and Voodoo Lounge has lost interest on new material years ago.
That's a fact and the band knows that, the new album will be released someday but is not a priority anymore.
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jlowe
I can never understand why the group doesn't follow Eric Clapton (and many others) strategy of mixing new albums with:
- new EC penned tracks
- old standards
- new material by other songwriters (JJ Cale, Stevie Wonder for example).
That way Mick and Keith need only come up with around 5 new compositions.
An album every 5 years
SO
one new work each year. Is that too much to ask?
The 'fans' would buy into that, surely?
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IanBillen
Universal wants an album this year.. a new album of originals .. Im sure their contract stated a delivery year... doubt they would settle for 2019 with a band their age and being as they started the album in 2015.
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GasLightStreet
A BIGGER BANG sold over a million in the US when it was released originally. It was RIAA certified platinum.
It was CERTIFIED Platinum, but the real sales are 650,000 copies.
Actually, it was certified Platinum after 5 weeks of release with 276,000 copies sold at the time.
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GasLightStreet
A BIGGER BANG sold over a million in the US when it was released originally. It was RIAA certified platinum.
It was CERTIFIED Platinum, but the real sales are 650,000 copies.
Actually, it was certified Platinum after 5 weeks of release with 276,000 copies sold at the time.
How can that be? RIAA goes by what's sold!
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IanBillen
Universal wants an album this year.. a new album of originals .. Im sure their contract stated a delivery year... doubt they would settle for 2019 with a band their age and being as they started the album in 2015.
The Stones aren't even a blip on the Universal radar. They're more interested in Greta Van Fleet (and a thousand other acts) - and finding the next Greta Van Fleet. Anyway 2019 is just 54 or so weeks away.
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IanBillen
They paid them millions to deliver an album .. Record companies aren't the most charitable organizations on the planet. If they are paying for something.. (millions) .. even though it's The Rolling Stones ...they want to know when they will get it. Is to be next year. That is why The Rolling Stones lawyers and Universal execs and their lawyers met and signed off on.