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Britain voted to leave the EU. Now that's what I call democracy)

England. Not Britain. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted for remaining.

And for the rest, there are various interpretations of what "real democracy" means. Indeed, many people think that referendums are a good tool for democracy but then again, also many people have excellent arguments why referendums are a stab in the back of democracy. I don't think this forum is meant for discussing one or the other, but I'm sure the internet is full of places where you could find arguments and counter-arguments, if you're really interested.

Wales decided to leave the EU too. So not just England.

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Britain voted to leave the EU. Now that's what I call democracy)

England. Not Britain. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted for remaining.

And for the rest, there are various interpretations of what "real democracy" means. Indeed, many people think that referendums are a good tool for democracy but then again, also many people have excellent arguments why referendums are a stab in the back of democracy. I don't think this forum is meant for discussing one or the other, but I'm sure the internet is full of places where you could find arguments and counter-arguments, if you're really interested.

Wales decided to leave the EU too. So not just England.

i'm sure Wales won't feel overwhelmed by England when Scotland and Northern Ireland pull the plug.

#SCOXIT, #NIXIT, #WAMAIN



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As a Scot, I would like to say I was saddened by the result. I believe in Scotland within the UK, and the UK within the EU. I don't particularly like referendums. they are too binary and are a blunt conceit of democracy. take the case in Scotland, where the SNP are rampant (for many complicated reasons which include the decline of Labour as a party of the working class). Nicola Sturgeon never stops banging on about democracy. But she has never recognised the result of the recent Scottish Independence referendum (she has been agitating for another one ever since despite agreeing beforehand it was "for a generation" ). Now, with Scotland having voted to remain in the UK, she does not recognise the result of the EU referendum. She swans off to Brussells under the false pretence that she is exhausting all options for Scotland to remain within the EU. set aside the fact that no one asked her to do this. it is a deceit, as she will ultimately "conclude" that independence is the only option, and she can say " well at least I tried". She has NO legal right to call another referendum, and I hope Theresa May has the guts to deny her one.....l Rant over...



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As a Scot, I would like to say I was saddened by the result. I believe in Scotland within the UK, and the UK within the EU. I don't particularly like referendums. they are too binary and are a blunt conceit of democracy. take the case in Scotland, where the SNP are rampant (for many complicated reasons which include the decline of Labour as a party of the working class). Nicola Sturgeon never stops banging on about democracy. But she has never recognised the result of the recent Scottish Independence referendum (she has been agitating for another one ever since despite agreeing beforehand it was "for a generation" ). Now, with Scotland having voted to remain in the UK, she does not recognise the result of the EU referendum. She swans off to Brussells under the false pretence that she is exhausting all options for Scotland to remain within the EU. set aside the fact that no one asked her to do this. it is a deceit, as she will ultimately "conclude" that independence is the only option, and she can say " well at least I tried". She has NO legal right to call another referendum, and I hope Theresa May has the guts to deny her one.....l Rant over...

Why not? If London doesn't like the bureaucracy in Brussels, then the Scottish people can have the same opinion about London. Indeed, there is lots of inefficient bureaucracy in London, slow decision making and bad leadership.

Being "the most democratic nation", England should let Scotland have a new referendum (of course paid by Scotland themselves) and then let's see what happens. Scotland back to Scotland just as well as England back England.

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As a Scot, I would like to say I was saddened by the result. I believe in Scotland within the UK, and the UK within the EU. I don't particularly like referendums. they are too binary and are a blunt conceit of democracy. take the case in Scotland, where the SNP are rampant (for many complicated reasons which include the decline of Labour as a party of the working class). Nicola Sturgeon never stops banging on about democracy. But she has never recognised the result of the recent Scottish Independence referendum (she has been agitating for another one ever since despite agreeing beforehand it was "for a generation" ). Now, with Scotland having voted to remain in the UK, she does not recognise the result of the EU referendum. She swans off to Brussells under the false pretence that she is exhausting all options for Scotland to remain within the EU. set aside the fact that no one asked her to do this. it is a deceit, as she will ultimately "conclude" that independence is the only option, and she can say " well at least I tried". She has NO legal right to call another referendum, and I hope Theresa May has the guts to deny her one.....l Rant over...

Why not? If London doesn't like the bureaucracy in Brussels, then the Scottish people can have the same opinion about London. Indeed, there is lots of inefficient bureaucracy in London, slow decision making and bad leadership.

Being "the most democratic nation", England should let Scotland have a new referendum (of course paid by Scotland themselves) and then let's see what happens. Scotland back to Scotland just as well as England back England.

i think scotland should build a wall and make england (or mexico) pay for it.

I just heard that Google searches last week for "Brexit" exceeded the number of searches for "porn." Clearly a trending issue.

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I just heard that Google searches last week for "Brexit" exceeded the number of searches for "porn." Clearly a trending issue.

But "Brentrance" was a close second...or something.

"Every election is determined by the people who show up”
Larry J. Sabato

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As a Scot, I would like to say I was saddened by the result. I believe in Scotland within the UK, and the UK within the EU. I don't particularly like referendums. they are too binary and are a blunt conceit of democracy. take the case in Scotland, where the SNP are rampant (for many complicated reasons which include the decline of Labour as a party of the working class). Nicola Sturgeon never stops banging on about democracy. But she has never recognised the result of the recent Scottish Independence referendum (she has been agitating for another one ever since despite agreeing beforehand it was "for a generation" ). Now, with Scotland having voted to remain in the UK, she does not recognise the result of the EU referendum. She swans off to Brussells under the false pretence that she is exhausting all options for Scotland to remain within the EU. set aside the fact that no one asked her to do this. it is a deceit, as she will ultimately "conclude" that independence is the only option, and she can say " well at least I tried". She has NO legal right to call another referendum, and I hope Theresa May has the guts to deny her one.....l Rant over...

Very true words spoken.Nicola Sturgeon does not speak for Scotland or the Scottish people , she only speaks for her deluded cult the snp.

Great move by the UK.

This talk of 'Scotland' and 'Wales' shows you that European Union is impossible since even British union is so difficult.
People identify more with their own particular country or even province than they do with other Europeans.

I'm not a EU supporter but there seems to be a lack of a plan B for the Brexit. They won the referendum but now what? No one seems to know. As is often the case with revolutions. Remember the Reign of Terror?

If there is no plan B it's because plan A thought it was impossible to lose the referendum )

EU (Heaven) is a Place where nothing ever happens....I Heard David Byrne said that...

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It will prove to be a great move by the UK. They needed to get away from the socialism, which has proven to hurt every country that tried it

I'm so relieved common sense prevailed in the end. The majority who voted could see what was happening to the EU and undoubtedly this will be the start of a domino effect. It's ludicrous some people want another referendum just because they did not like the outcome of the result. Only time will tell if Britain made the right decision to leave but I'm so pleased we are out!!

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I'm so relieved common sense prevailed in the end. The majority who voted could see what was happening to the EU and undoubtedly this will be the start of a domino effect. It's ludicrous some people want another referendum just because they did not like the outcome of the result. Only time will tell if Britain made the right decision to leave but I'm so pleased we are out!!

A common misconception. The result of the referendum was not legally binding and the UK is still very much a member of the EU.
All kinds of things have to happen, including acts of Parliament, before the country actually leaves. This will take at least two years from the triggering of Article 50.
If it ever happens at all.
See here:
[www.theguardian.com]
And here:
[ukconstitutionallaw.org]


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"



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It will prove to be a great move by the UK. They needed to get away from the socialism, which has proven to hurt every country that tried it

Avoiding problems is never a great move. I was always taught that if I face a problem I should find a solution to it not run away from it. If there's a problem with EU Britain should propose a way of fixing it. By voting out they not only did avoid problem but also created further problems like possible Scottish secession or EU breakdown and rise of nationalism in EU countries. If nationalism rises in European countries England will not be safe. Have you forgotten 1940? Do you want the history to repeat?

Wrong. They ARE fixing a problem my getting the heck out. Globalism is a JOKE

Only united Europe can be competetive to USA, China or Russia economically and millitary. 19th century is gone long ago.

Mark my word. Great move

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Only united Europe can be competetive to USA, China or Russia economically and millitary. 19th century is gone long ago.

The U.K. is the worlds fifth largest economy. Whilst the ending of the Empire and colonisation is only something to be marvelled at - it was largely shaming, after all - we are, the United Kingdom, and, we will reign victorious.

I genuinely hope that everything solves the best for all the parties whatever future brings

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I genuinely hope that everything solves the best for all the parties whatever future brings

Here, here! Cheers, to that

This Brit is enjoying a few cans of the marvellous Polish lager, Zywiec

Leaving the EU is not running away from the problem! Until very recently you dare not mention immigration for fear of being called a racist and bigot. People have been ignored for far too long and were constantly told mass immigration was great for these islands. People particularly outside London and living in the poorer parts of the country saw their living standards drop or stagnate. There was only one option in the end EXIT!! The politicians only have themselves to blame. THEY JUST DIDN'T LISTEN.

Funny enough, now millions of British people are applying for an Irish passport as a supplement to their British one. Then the option of free movement within EU is still available.

God knows, if Farage will request a French passport

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Mark my word. Great move

As the late, unlamented mickscarey never said, it's not a done deal.


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

time to dig up Henry Vl and bring him back to life.
it would at least connect england to france, well sort of.

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time to dig up Henry Vl and bring him back to life.
it would at least connect england to france, well sort of.

No need for that, the current Royal Family is already basically German, except Philip, who's Greek. Bloody immigrants!

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time to dig up Henry Vl and bring him back to life.
it would at least connect england to france, well sort of.

No need for that, the current Royal Family is already basically German, except Philip, who's Greek. Bloody immigrants!

LOL