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Eu citizen do not get a indefinite leave to remain stamp in their passport so we could not vote.Commonwealth citizens on the other hand were allowed to.
We have the option of applying for a permanent resident card after5.years, but most people did not have one and could still not vote. We can only vote in local elections.
Nigel had already had too many pints .....
Farage making calculations. Lots of pints today :-)
I live in a very affluent area in the south east and most of the people I know are pissed off with the result.
Nate
I'm not going to get into that; but I respect one bringing these topics up all the same.
Fanfare for the Common Man.
When The Stones went into tax exile in 1971 they initially settled in France.
Mick made some very disparaging comments about French people at the time.
Forgetting of course their more favourable tax regime.
The trouble is many British just don't like 'foreigners'. The immigration issue has been THE big factor with a strange alliance of Old Labour working class voters and right wing Tories who never wanted to be in the European Community in the first place.
Cameron should never have promised a referendum , it was always a gamble. It proves how out of touch most of Westminster is.The chattering classes have an arrogance beyond belief.
Sad day....and troubled times ahead.
As a brit living in Germany, with no right to vote, I feel like being bullied by some football hooligans who just screamed 2% louder than the others.
this process driving a whole country is absolutely annoying.
can anyone envision that a 1%er, speak Hells Angels, with advertising campaign skills behind them, appealing to the lowest common denominator, could swing a whole country or nation.
Disgusting!
Leaving EU doesn't help anybody at this moment. Populist politicians might think so and will try (Le Penn, Geert Wilders. etc.), but they rarely have any plan other than "leave" and focus on migration / disliking foreigners. The same will be for UK. Farage and Boris have no plan for the moment, that's why Boris says "no hurry" when leaving EU.
EU was never meant to be a bureaucratic monster. Younger bureaucrats / technocrats have made it "a bureaucratic monster" to establish their own power and abusing the system for own monetary benefits. This must be changed. And it will be difficult.
EU needs to focus on consolidation of the current 27 nations, ensuring enough integration and understanding among the population. Limiting the power of the elite in Brussels and Luxembourg. The elite must understand that they are servicing EU's population and getting paid for this job. Not the opposite.
Limit the benefits for former politicians (Kinnock's abuse of the system is well known), commissionaires, employees so they are more in line with what is on national level.
Bring EU back to what it is all about, ensuring peace, integration of the common market and growth and prosperity. Limit the regulations, where it is not necessary, such as involvement in local communities, culture, etc. Stop using time on hymns, flags, specific EU events etc. That belongs to the country and not EU.
Limit accessibility to social contributions from one country to another. Stop using EU-migrants as means to squeeze salaries for already low paid workers, etc., etc., etc.
If EU can get these things back on track - then EU still has its legitimacy.
when a whole population is asked for their vote and the question asked is clear as mud.
this is not the case in this UK's poll. mixed emotions can't be answered in yes or no. reminds me of if there's the sexually or philosofically satisfied Mick Jagger.
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Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: June 24, 2016 21:43
With the exception of middle-class Tunbridge Wells, the entire south-east of a England overwhelmingly voted 'out'
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
marianna
()
Date: June 24, 2016 21:46
Why was the general population even allowed to vote on this issue? There's a reason there is representational government. I say that as a lifelong resident of California, where we have ballot propositions that can bypass or override the legistature. I have always found that process annoying and prone to being captured by whomever has the most money for big advertising campaigns or can appeal to the lowest common denominator. If people feel that strongly about something, then let them vote for blocs of representatives who will do that work for them. Then they can see what types of ideologies are associated with that issue, and vote for the whole package that goes with it.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
DonParker
()
Date: June 24, 2016 21:47
Aah, the British Queen has it her way. She probably would love to have Cameron's head chopped off. Just like the good old days, lol.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: June 24, 2016 22:22
Quote
marianna
Why was the general population even allowed to vote on this issue?quote]
If you are a British Citizen, or permanent resident ('Indefinite Leave To Remain') of the United Kingdom, you were eligible to vote in this referendum.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: June 24, 2016 22:24
In response to marianna :-
If you are a British Citizen, or Permanent Resident ('Indefinite Leave To Remain') of the United Kingdom, and registered to vote, you were eligible to vote in this referendum.
If you are a British Citizen, or Permanent Resident ('Indefinite Leave To Remain') of the United Kingdom, and registered to vote, you were eligible to vote in this referendum.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
desertblues68
()
Date: June 24, 2016 22:38
Quote
Big Al
In response to marianna :-
If you are a British Citizen, or Permanent Resident ('Indefinite Leave To Remain') of the United Kingdom, and registered to vote, you were eligible to vote in this referendum.
Eu citizen do not get a indefinite leave to remain stamp in their passport so we could not vote.Commonwealth citizens on the other hand were allowed to.
We have the option of applying for a permanent resident card after5.years, but most people did not have one and could still not vote. We can only vote in local elections.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
keefriff99
()
Date: June 24, 2016 22:38
Well said. The way ballot initiatives in California get hijacked is a perfect representation for why direct democracy is a highly flawed and scary system.Quote
marianna
Why was the general population even allowed to vote on this issue? There's a reason there is representational government. I say that as a lifelong resident of California, where we have ballot propositions that can bypass or override the legistature. I have always found that process annoying and prone to being captured by whomever has the most money for big advertising campaigns or can appeal to the lowest common denominator. If people feel that strongly about something, then let them vote for blocs of representatives who will do that work for them. Then they can see what types of ideologies are associated with that issue, and vote for the whole package that goes with it.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
mtaylor
()
Date: June 24, 2016 22:41
Quote
andy jsQuote
Harlem Shuffler
We're only a small island but we've got half of Europe here already. Do we want the other half too? No we bloody don't.
is that you Nigel? don't talk bollocks
Nigel had already had too many pints .....
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
desertblues68
()
Date: June 24, 2016 22:46
There is 3 million eu citizens in the eu. Hence 0.5 % of the UK population and hardly half of Europe!
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Stoneage
()
Date: June 24, 2016 22:53
Yes, but when the establishment not really represents the people referendums or direct democracy (like in Switzerland) is a way for the people to regain power. There is here in Sweden, and I guess many other Western states a big division between the will of the people and the will of the establishment. Many polls shows that. And this gap is not only due to the EU but to issues like globalism, job opportunities, immigration and such. In the old days the political left were anti-establishment and stood behind the people and the working classes. Nowadays the left is part of the establishment and represents the establishment and the middle classes. This is a bit complicated to understand but I hope I will have the opportunity to come back to the question as this thread develops.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
mtaylor
()
Date: June 24, 2016 22:59
Quote
desertblues68
There is 3 million eu citizens in the eu. Hence 0.5 % of the UK population and hardly half of Europe!
Farage making calculations. Lots of pints today :-)
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Nate
()
Date: June 24, 2016 23:10
Quote
Big Al
With the exception of middle-class Tunbridge Wells, the entire south-east of a England overwhelmingly voted 'out'
I live in a very affluent area in the south east and most of the people I know are pissed off with the result.
Nate
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: June 24, 2016 23:16
I don't doubt that; especially amongst the 18-30 demographic. However, look at the statistics. The south-east was an overwhelming 'out'Quote
NateQuote
Big Al
With the exception of middle-class Tunbridge Wells, the entire south-east of a England overwhelmingly voted 'out'
I live in a very affluent area in the south east and most of the people I know are pissed off with the result.
Nate
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Elmo Lewis
()
Date: June 24, 2016 23:20
Not trying to start a religious discussion/fight on here, but just saying that Revelations speaks of a 10 nation union of members of the old Roman Empire.
Way too many in the EU for that at the moment.
Could this be the beginning of other nations' leaving also?
Way too many in the EU for that at the moment.
Could this be the beginning of other nations' leaving also?
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
BroomWagon
()
Date: June 24, 2016 23:43
Quote
Elmo Lewis
Not trying to start a religious discussion/fight on here, but just saying that Revelations speaks of a 10 nation union of members of the old Roman Empire.
Way too many in the EU for that at the moment.
Could this be the beginning of other nations' leaving also?
I'm not going to get into that; but I respect one bringing these topics up all the same.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
BroomWagon
()
Date: June 24, 2016 23:43
Quote
marianna
Why was the general population even allowed to vote on this issue? There's a reason there is representational government. I say that as a lifelong resident of California, where we have ballot propositions that can bypass or override the legistature. I have always found that process annoying and prone to being captured by whomever has the most money for big advertising campaigns or can appeal to the lowest common denominator. If people feel that strongly about something, then let them vote for blocs of representatives who will do that work for them. Then they can see what types of ideologies are associated with that issue, and vote for the whole package that goes with it.
Fanfare for the Common Man.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
jlowe
()
Date: June 24, 2016 23:47
Quote
emotionalbarbecue
After 50 years of travelling around the world is astounding that Jagger is nationalist and declared in favour of brexit.
Le Pen, Putin, Maduro, Fidel Castro are happy with the results...
When The Stones went into tax exile in 1971 they initially settled in France.
Mick made some very disparaging comments about French people at the time.
Forgetting of course their more favourable tax regime.
The trouble is many British just don't like 'foreigners'. The immigration issue has been THE big factor with a strange alliance of Old Labour working class voters and right wing Tories who never wanted to be in the European Community in the first place.
Cameron should never have promised a referendum , it was always a gamble. It proves how out of touch most of Westminster is.The chattering classes have an arrogance beyond belief.
Sad day....and troubled times ahead.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
35love
()
Date: June 24, 2016 23:50
Jesus, we're at end of times?
Well the overpopulation of humans is speeding up the earths decline, making the inhabitants sicker. Autism 1 in 64, Alzheimer's practically a given/ snowballs of crazy toxic effects, what a circle out of control.
But hey I did read some women can now get birth control pills online w/ out a Dr.
I don't make light/ not educated enough on EU particulars/GB's effect of getting out,
but things are pretty screwed up over here too to my friends (USA)
Well the overpopulation of humans is speeding up the earths decline, making the inhabitants sicker. Autism 1 in 64, Alzheimer's practically a given/ snowballs of crazy toxic effects, what a circle out of control.
But hey I did read some women can now get birth control pills online w/ out a Dr.
I don't make light/ not educated enough on EU particulars/GB's effect of getting out,
but things are pretty screwed up over here too to my friends (USA)
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
BroomWagon
()
Date: June 24, 2016 23:50
[www.youtube.com]
"England swings like a pendulum do
Bobbies on bicycles, two by two
Westminster Abbey, the tower of Big Ben
The rosy-red cheeks of the little children"
"England swings like a pendulum do
Bobbies on bicycles, two by two
Westminster Abbey, the tower of Big Ben
The rosy-red cheeks of the little children"
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
open-g
()
Date: June 24, 2016 23:51
A valid question, imo.Quote
marianna
Why was the general population even allowed to vote on this issue? There's a reason there is representational government. I say that as a lifelong resident of California, where we have ballot propositions that can bypass or override the legistature. I have always found that process annoying and prone to being captured by whomever has the most money for big advertising campaigns or can appeal to the lowest common denominator. If people feel that strongly about something, then let them vote for blocs of representatives who will do that work for them. Then they can see what types of ideologies are associated with that issue, and vote for the whole package that goes with it.
As a brit living in Germany, with no right to vote, I feel like being bullied by some football hooligans who just screamed 2% louder than the others.
this process driving a whole country is absolutely annoying.
can anyone envision that a 1%er, speak Hells Angels, with advertising campaign skills behind them, appealing to the lowest common denominator, could swing a whole country or nation.
Disgusting!
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
mtaylor
()
Date: June 25, 2016 00:00
Quote
Elmo Lewis
Not trying to start a religious discussion/fight on here, but just saying that Revelations speaks of a 10 nation union of members of the old Roman Empire.
Way too many in the EU for that at the moment.
Could this be the beginning of other nations' leaving also?
Leaving EU doesn't help anybody at this moment. Populist politicians might think so and will try (Le Penn, Geert Wilders. etc.), but they rarely have any plan other than "leave" and focus on migration / disliking foreigners. The same will be for UK. Farage and Boris have no plan for the moment, that's why Boris says "no hurry" when leaving EU.
EU was never meant to be a bureaucratic monster. Younger bureaucrats / technocrats have made it "a bureaucratic monster" to establish their own power and abusing the system for own monetary benefits. This must be changed. And it will be difficult.
EU needs to focus on consolidation of the current 27 nations, ensuring enough integration and understanding among the population. Limiting the power of the elite in Brussels and Luxembourg. The elite must understand that they are servicing EU's population and getting paid for this job. Not the opposite.
Limit the benefits for former politicians (Kinnock's abuse of the system is well known), commissionaires, employees so they are more in line with what is on national level.
Bring EU back to what it is all about, ensuring peace, integration of the common market and growth and prosperity. Limit the regulations, where it is not necessary, such as involvement in local communities, culture, etc. Stop using time on hymns, flags, specific EU events etc. That belongs to the country and not EU.
Limit accessibility to social contributions from one country to another. Stop using EU-migrants as means to squeeze salaries for already low paid workers, etc., etc., etc.
If EU can get these things back on track - then EU still has its legitimacy.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Stoneage
()
Date: June 25, 2016 00:06
There is no risk for that, Open-g. Usually the establisment side has all the financial means. When we voted about the Euro here in Sweden the yes-side had billions (SEK) at their disposal.
The no-side hardly nothing. Still the no-side won. Which turned out to be benificial for us.
The no-side hardly nothing. Still the no-side won. Which turned out to be benificial for us.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
open-g
()
Date: June 25, 2016 00:12
mtaylor, I wholeheartedly agree with what you said.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Stonesfan62
()
Date: June 25, 2016 00:38
A GREAT day for BRITAIN. FREE AT LAST!!!!
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
open-g
()
Date: June 25, 2016 00:40
I hear you and I'm with you.Quote
Stoneage
There is no risk for that, Open-g. Usually the establisment side has all the financial means. When we voted about the Euro here in Sweden the yes-side had billions (SEK) at their disposal.
The no-side hardly nothing. Still the no-side won. Which turned out to be benificial for us.
when a whole population is asked for their vote and the question asked is clear as mud.
this is not the case in this UK's poll. mixed emotions can't be answered in yes or no. reminds me of if there's the sexually or philosofically satisfied Mick Jagger.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
open-g
()
Date: June 25, 2016 00:44
Dream on, the hardship has not even begun.Quote
Stonesfan62
A GREAT day for BRITAIN. FREE AT LAST!!!!
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Stonesfan62
()
Date: June 25, 2016 00:49
Project fear didn't work get over it!
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: June 25, 2016 01:12
All will work out fine and keep in mind.... only wet babies like change ......
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Stonesfan62
()
Date: June 25, 2016 01:16
Well said Rockman. Where's Dean I need to kick him in the arse!
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