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My 17-year-old son, American, was also very disappointed by the vote. This was interesting because he rarely comments on politics. He had the same take, that it was the end of unity, togetherness.
Although it must be noted that the young believe in utopias more than those who have experienced more of life. Also I believe the young do not vote these days because all their lives they have had people taking care of them. So maybe this will be a wakeup call to them.
So 36% of them vote but they feel their future has been stolen by baby boomers. Do they really not see the contradiction?
A proposition nobody was proposing. It's this kind of non-argument that helped bring about the "leave" vote, along with lethargy on the part of people who assumed the majority would vote to stay for obvious reasons so didn't bother to vote themselvea. THAT was the disaster. Britain's borders aren't going to be protected now any more or less than they were before.
Exactly. BoJo is such a twit.
Shocking...apparently some believe after this result all "foreigners" have to leave the UK
Apparently, that was not the case. Michael Gove decided to run as candidate as opposed to supporting Johnson, as he had previously indicated.
Boris, Gove and an "act ot treachery"
Looks like the levels of unscrupulousness of the Leave campaigners haven't fallen since winning the referendum...
Yes, but instead of standing up to Gove, Boris backed off, immediately.
Makes one wonder who's driving their plane...
Sort of like the 'old' 1960s feeling of 'never trust anyone over the age of 30.'
Yes I get that but why aren't they blaming their own generation for not bothering to vote?
Just a theory: Because nothing is ever their fault?
Note: I am not trying to comment on the election or young UK voters specifically, just a general sense I get from what I look at as an "entitlement generation" that appears to be thriving in the USA and much of the "western world". I don't see as much info on the southern hemisphere or "eastern world" so I'd probably be wrong to comment on or imply that my observations cover those areas.
Watching my kids & many of their friends go through (and fight tooth and nail before coming out the other side) a period where, they seem to believe that they deserve anything they want, when they want it and are accountable for n few or one of their actions (or only the one's they are willing to be) has been one of, if not the hardest part of being a parent for me. Thank goodness my 20 year old has gotten out of that world-view. My 23 year-old has one foot in both camps (he realizes he's not entitled to anything but still doesn't fully grasp the accountability part). My 16 year-old is trying my soul daily but I haven't given up on her yet (nor do I have any plans to). She needs a bit more age/experience to be able to see reality a bit more clearly.
Damn I'm getting old way too soon.
Peace,
Mr DJA
yeah
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-07-01 08:15 by jambay.
Really? He's letting May cleaning the mess of Brexit and he'll come back in 2018 as the "Churchill of the 21st century!!" when Britain has recovered from the referendum.
Wanna bet?
England. Not Britain. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted for remaining.
And for the rest, there are various interpretations of what "real democracy" means. Indeed, many people think that referendums are a good tool for democracy but then again, also many people have excellent arguments why referendums are a stab in the back of democracy. I don't think this forum is meant for discussing one or the other, but I'm sure the internet is full of places where you could find arguments and counter-arguments, if you're really interested.
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Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: June 30, 2016 00:37
I can't believe my retirement plan in the U.S. has to suffer because of some twits overseas.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
NICOS
()
Date: June 30, 2016 00:57
My take on a important referendum like this is that you have at least 60% of the votes........now you will get dissension between both camps......the home stayers not included as they hasn't a right to speak........
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
EJM
()
Date: June 30, 2016 02:04
So I note that only 36 percent of the 18 - 24 year olds voted but those that did voted overwhelmingly to stay. My daughter and her friends ( who all voted ) were desolate. They just could not believe what had happened. Many wrote movingly of their sadness and grief about the loss of the European ideal.
Unlike the older generation of English, they speak other European languages, have studied and worked in Europe, see themselves as European. They were embarrassed and ashamed that their country seemed to be rejecting being part of a bigger collaborative group, they felt their future had been stolen by the baby boomers.
Now they ( and their parents )feel we must pull together to make this work - we live in a democracy and the majority have spoken but spending the next ten years unpicking 4o years of laws and contracts seems a somewhat wasteful use of politician and civil servants ' time when there are so many more important issues to be addressed.
Unlike the older generation of English, they speak other European languages, have studied and worked in Europe, see themselves as European. They were embarrassed and ashamed that their country seemed to be rejecting being part of a bigger collaborative group, they felt their future had been stolen by the baby boomers.
Now they ( and their parents )feel we must pull together to make this work - we live in a democracy and the majority have spoken but spending the next ten years unpicking 4o years of laws and contracts seems a somewhat wasteful use of politician and civil servants ' time when there are so many more important issues to be addressed.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
wonderboy
()
Date: June 30, 2016 02:24
Quote
EJM
So I note that only 36 percent of the 18 - 24 year olds voted but those that did voted overwhelmingly to stay. My daughter and her friends ( who all voted ) were desolate. They just could not believe what had happened. Many wrote movingly of their sadness and grief about the loss of the European ideal.
Unlike the older generation of English, they speak other European languages, have studied and worked in Europe, see themselves as European. They were embarrassed and ashamed that their country seemed to be rejecting being part of a bigger collaborative group, they felt their future had been stolen by the baby boomers.
Now they ( and their parents )feel we must pull together to make this work - we live in a democracy and the majority have spoken but spending the next ten years unpicking 4o years of laws and contracts seems a somewhat wasteful use of politician and civil servants ' time when there are so many more important issues to be addressed.
My 17-year-old son, American, was also very disappointed by the vote. This was interesting because he rarely comments on politics. He had the same take, that it was the end of unity, togetherness.
Although it must be noted that the young believe in utopias more than those who have experienced more of life. Also I believe the young do not vote these days because all their lives they have had people taking care of them. So maybe this will be a wakeup call to them.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
jambay
()
Date: June 30, 2016 08:35
Next time they'll ask "old" people to be terminated at the age of 45 30, "Soylent Green" "Logan's Run" style... 
Both interesting movie ideas though...
but we are probably more headed THIS WAY... cuz it's got electrolytes in it
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-06-30 08:49 by jambay.
Both interesting movie ideas though...
but we are probably more headed THIS WAY... cuz it's got electrolytes in it
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-06-30 08:49 by jambay.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
BroomWagon
()
Date: June 30, 2016 09:43
This was like the vote of the life time as far as I can see, at the least, important to make one's voice heard like that vote in Scotland recently.
How could one not go to vote??
If that age bracket was not caring enough to go vote in higher numbers, what can you say? Maybe their judgement should be suspect just from that!
How could one not go to vote??
If that age bracket was not caring enough to go vote in higher numbers, what can you say? Maybe their judgement should be suspect just from that!
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
rebelrebel
()
Date: June 30, 2016 10:58
Quote
EJM
So I note that only 36 percent of the 18 - 24 year olds voted but those that did voted overwhelmingly to stay. My daughter and her friends ( who all voted ) were desolate. They just could not believe what had happened. Many wrote movingly of their sadness and grief about the loss of the European ideal.
Unlike the older generation of English, they speak other European languages, have studied and worked in Europe, see themselves as European. They were embarrassed and ashamed that their country seemed to be rejecting being part of a bigger collaborative group, they felt their future had been stolen by the baby boomers.
Now they ( and their parents )feel we must pull together to make this work - we live in a democracy and the majority have spoken but spending the next ten years unpicking 4o years of laws and contracts seems a somewhat wasteful use of politician and civil servants ' time when there are so many more important issues to be addressed.
So 36% of them vote but they feel their future has been stolen by baby boomers. Do they really not see the contradiction?
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Stones50
()
Date: June 30, 2016 17:08
This was fantastic for the UK. They have to protect themselves and their borders. A "one world" state is a disastrous proposition.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Aquamarine
()
Date: June 30, 2016 17:37
Quote
Stones50
This was fantastic for the UK. They have to protect themselves and their borders. A "one world" state is a disastrous proposition.
A proposition nobody was proposing. It's this kind of non-argument that helped bring about the "leave" vote, along with lethargy on the part of people who assumed the majority would vote to stay for obvious reasons so didn't bother to vote themselvea. THAT was the disaster. Britain's borders aren't going to be protected now any more or less than they were before.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
EJM
()
Date: June 30, 2016 17:54
Quote
rebelrebelQuote
EJM
So I note that only 36 percent of the 18 - 24 year olds voted but those that did voted overwhelmingly to stay. My daughter and her friends ( who all voted ) were desolate. They just could not believe what had happened. Many wrote movingly of their sadness and grief about the loss of the European ideal.
Unlike the older generation of English, they speak other European languages, have studied and worked in Europe, see themselves as European. They were embarrassed and ashamed that their country seemed to be rejecting being part of a bigger collaborative group, they felt their future had been stolen by the baby boomers.
Now they ( and their parents )feel we must pull together to make this work - we live in a democracy and the majority have spoken but spending the next ten years unpicking 4o years of laws and contracts seems a somewhat wasteful use of politician and civil servants ' time when there are so many more important issues to be addressed.
So 36% of them vote but they feel their future has been stolen by baby boomers. Do they really not see the contradiction?
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
EJM
()
Date: June 30, 2016 17:55
It's the 36percent who voted (and campaigned and worked hard to get out the vote ) who feel desolate - who knows what the others feel .
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Aquamarine
()
Date: June 30, 2016 17:58
Having unintentionally won, it now seems Boris can't walk away from this vote fast enough. Let someone else clean up the mess!
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
desertblues68
()
Date: June 30, 2016 18:50
Brexit and triggering article 50 are now a poison chalice. Boris was a remain believer two years ago, he only joined the leave bandwagon as he saw it as his ticket to a PM position.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
SomeTorontoGirl
()
Date: June 30, 2016 18:51
Quote
Aquamarine
Having unintentionally won, it now seems Boris can't walk away from this vote fast enough. Let someone else clean up the mess!
Exactly. BoJo is such a twit.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
exhpart
()
Date: June 30, 2016 19:08
Quote
desertblues68
I have just been insulted on the bus. I am en eu citizens and have been living in London for more than 20 years. A guy told me to go back to my shifty country. I moved seat and he kept following me around. I begged the driver to stop got off and got on another bus. The people on the bus just looked the other way.
Shocking...apparently some believe after this result all "foreigners" have to leave the UK
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
xke38
()
Date: June 30, 2016 19:49
Quote
Aquamarine
Having unintentionally won, it now seems Boris can't walk away from this vote fast enough. Let someone else clean up the mess!
Apparently, that was not the case. Michael Gove decided to run as candidate as opposed to supporting Johnson, as he had previously indicated.
Boris, Gove and an "act ot treachery"
Looks like the levels of unscrupulousness of the Leave campaigners haven't fallen since winning the referendum...
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Aquamarine
()
Date: June 30, 2016 20:38
Quote
xke38Quote
Aquamarine
Having unintentionally won, it now seems Boris can't walk away from this vote fast enough. Let someone else clean up the mess!
Apparently, that was not the case. Michael Gove decided to run as candidate as opposed to supporting Johnson, as he had previously indicated.
Boris, Gove and an "act ot treachery"
Looks like the levels of unscrupulousness of the Leave campaigners haven't fallen since winning the referendum...
Yes, but instead of standing up to Gove, Boris backed off, immediately.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Stonesfan62
()
Date: June 30, 2016 21:10
Its easy to see why Boris is not standing you only have to read the last few posts. He would have been at the mercy of the Remainers 24/7.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
xke38
()
Date: June 30, 2016 21:19
Quote
Aquamarine
Yes, but instead of standing up to Gove, Boris backed off, immediately.
Makes one wonder who's driving their plane...
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: June 30, 2016 21:25
Talking about driving a plane, the UE plane :
"Caught On Film - Juncker "Disappears" Farage"
[www.zerohedge.com]
Brexit : an heresy or just plain common sense?
"Caught On Film - Juncker "Disappears" Farage"
[www.zerohedge.com]
Brexit : an heresy or just plain common sense?
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Stones50
()
Date: June 30, 2016 21:37
You shall se time will prove that this was the RIGHT thing. Good for you, UK!
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
nightskyman
()
Date: June 30, 2016 22:03
Quote
jambay
Next time they'll ask "old" people to be terminated at the age of4530, "Soylent Green""Logan's Run" style...
Both interesting movie ideas though...
but we are probably more headed THIS WAY... cuz it's got electrolytes in it
Sort of like the 'old' 1960s feeling of 'never trust anyone over the age of 30.'
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
rebelrebel
()
Date: June 30, 2016 22:54
Quote
EJM
It's the 36percent who voted (and campaigned and worked hard to get out the vote ) who feel desolate - who knows what the others feel .
Yes I get that but why aren't they blaming their own generation for not bothering to vote?
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
mr_dja
()
Date: July 1, 2016 00:00
Quote
rebelrebelQuote
EJM
It's the 36percent who voted (and campaigned and worked hard to get out the vote ) who feel desolate - who knows what the others feel .
Yes I get that but why aren't they blaming their own generation for not bothering to vote?
Just a theory: Because nothing is ever their fault?
Note: I am not trying to comment on the election or young UK voters specifically, just a general sense I get from what I look at as an "entitlement generation" that appears to be thriving in the USA and much of the "western world". I don't see as much info on the southern hemisphere or "eastern world" so I'd probably be wrong to comment on or imply that my observations cover those areas.
Watching my kids & many of their friends go through (and fight tooth and nail before coming out the other side) a period where, they seem to believe that they deserve anything they want, when they want it and are accountable for n few or one of their actions (or only the one's they are willing to be) has been one of, if not the hardest part of being a parent for me. Thank goodness my 20 year old has gotten out of that world-view. My 23 year-old has one foot in both camps (he realizes he's not entitled to anything but still doesn't fully grasp the accountability part). My 16 year-old is trying my soul daily but I haven't given up on her yet (nor do I have any plans to). She needs a bit more age/experience to be able to see reality a bit more clearly.
Damn I'm getting old way too soon.
Peace,
Mr DJA
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
jambay
()
Date: July 1, 2016 08:05
Quote
nightskymanQuote
jambay
Next time they'll ask "old" people to be terminated at the age of4530, "Soylent Green""Logan's Run" style...
Both interesting movie ideas though...
but we are probably more headed THIS WAY... cuz it's got electrolytes in it
Sort of like the 'old' 1960s feeling of 'never trust anyone over the age of 30.'
yeah
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-07-01 08:15 by jambay.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
matxil
()
Date: July 1, 2016 11:23
I can't help laughing from glee about the whole Brexit fiasco and how it all worked out. Especially the downfall of Boris Johnson is a pleasure to see.
Then again, I'm truelly sorry for all the English people either abroad or in the UK who didn't want this and now have to suffer the consequences. Not to mention the terrible rise in racism and xenofobia (57% since brexit!).
Mind, I don't think it's any better in any other European countries. The rise of petty nationalism, populism and blindness to the real causes of poverty and unemployment, and the decline of real democracy (and no, a 50%/50% binding referendum is NOT an improvement of democracy) is very worrying.
To be honest, I think we're heading for very dark times.
Then again, I'm truelly sorry for all the English people either abroad or in the UK who didn't want this and now have to suffer the consequences. Not to mention the terrible rise in racism and xenofobia (57% since brexit!).
Mind, I don't think it's any better in any other European countries. The rise of petty nationalism, populism and blindness to the real causes of poverty and unemployment, and the decline of real democracy (and no, a 50%/50% binding referendum is NOT an improvement of democracy) is very worrying.
To be honest, I think we're heading for very dark times.
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: July 1, 2016 14:34
Quote
matxil
Especially the downfall of Boris Johnson is a pleasure to see.
Really? He's letting May cleaning the mess of Brexit and he'll come back in 2018 as the "Churchill of the 21st century!!" when Britain has recovered from the referendum.
Wanna bet?
Re: OT British Election
Posted by:
Stonesfan62
()
Date: July 1, 2016 16:21
Britain voted to leave the EU. Now that's what I call democracy
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Posted by:
matxil
()
Date: July 1, 2016 17:15
Quote
Stonesfan62
Britain voted to leave the EU. Now that's what I call democracy
England. Not Britain. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted for remaining.
And for the rest, there are various interpretations of what "real democracy" means. Indeed, many people think that referendums are a good tool for democracy but then again, also many people have excellent arguments why referendums are a stab in the back of democracy. I don't think this forum is meant for discussing one or the other, but I'm sure the internet is full of places where you could find arguments and counter-arguments, if you're really interested.
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