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frankotero
Would be really cool/nice if they could give away a free song just to hold us over, and give us a taste of what's to come. Hook a brother up
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frankotero
Could it be Under The Radar? I love that song, one of my favorites from ABB and oddly enough not part of the regular album.
Maybe it's me, but I don't get all the love for Under the Radar in fan circles. It's a solid B side/album filler, but that's about it as far as I'm concerned.
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HMS
Could be worse, could be a song like Streets Of Love or Infamy, that would be a disaster indeed. But the Stones will not give anything away for free, that would be very Stones-unlike.
Sweet Neo Con & Look What The Cat Dragged In arent disastrous btw. It´s the Stones trying to be a little bit different and it works very well. ABB is a very good album, it could have been near-great if they had released it as a 12-songs-album. I listen very often to my own homemade 12-song-version of ABB and it´s almost as pleasing as Dirty Work or Undercover.
If they´d come up with anything similar to ABB, I would be more than satisfied.
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EJM
So some questions for experienced iorrians
why is there so little information about what is going on / what has happened ?
There must be lots of you on the board who have had experience of the stones recording practices before - Is this usual ?
Given the importance of this activity why is this thread not sticky ?
The only clear indication that Keith has actually been present at all is Patti being seen at Bernard's gig ( admittedly pretty good data ) and no pictures, remarks nothing - could this mean that the work has been disappointing or is this how they usually behave ?
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EJM
So some questions for experienced iorrians
why is there so little information about what is going on / what has happened ?
There must be lots of you on the board who have had experience of the stones recording practices before - Is this usual ?
Given the importance of this activity why is this thread not sticky ?
The only clear indication that Keith has actually been present at all is Patti being seen at Bernard's gig ( admittedly pretty good data ) and no pictures, remarks nothing - could this mean that the work has been disappointing or is this how they usually behave ?
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DandelionPowderman
The similarity to COTM might be why it wasn't included on the first edition of the album.
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leftbank
Should a new album have any Covers? They have so many classic ones in the past, blues and C Berry. I'd like a few of these, perhaps some they have never done on a release (maybe in a live show) rather than marginal, unexciting new material. Thoughts??
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EJM
So some questions for experienced iorrians
why is there so little information about what is going on / what has happened ?
There must be lots of you on the board who have had experience of the stones recording practices before - Is this usual ?
Given the importance of this activity why is this thread not sticky ?
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Doxa
Funny thing to consider is if Keith's claim in LIFE holds true - that Mick would wanted to record the whole album (A BIGGER BANG) again in a proper studio, but Keith and Was vetoed (because they liked the 'raw feel' on it, or something) - what it would have turned to be like? Had it been polished too much and over-produced? Or could the band have found some new spark and angle to the songs, developed them further, and proper musicians playing the proper instruments, etc?
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EJM
So some questions for experienced iorrians
why is there so little information about what is going on / what has happened ?
There must be lots of you on the board who have had experience of the stones recording practices before - Is this usual ?
Given the importance of this activity why is this thread not sticky ?
I agree with you; why this thread is not sticky?
Anyway I hope the Stones will produce the new album themselves.
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EJM
So some questions for experienced iorrians
why is there so little information about what is going on / what has happened ?
There must be lots of you on the board who have had experience of the stones recording practices before - Is this usual ?
Given the importance of this activity why is this thread not sticky ?
I agree with you; why this thread is not sticky?
Anyway I hope the Stones will produce the new album themselves.
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EJM
So some questions for experienced iorrians
why is there so little information about what is going on / what has happened ?
There must be lots of you on the board who have had experience of the stones recording practices before - Is this usual ?
Given the importance of this activity why is this thread not sticky ?
I agree with you; why this thread is not sticky?
Anyway I hope the Stones will produce the new album themselves.
...plus Chris Kimsey.
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Funny thing to consider is if Keith's claim in LIFE holds true - that Mick would wanted to record the whole album (A BIGGER BANG) again in a proper studio, but Keith and Was vetoed (because they liked the 'raw feel' on it, or something) - what it would have turned to be like? Had it been polished too much and over-produced? Or could the band have found some new spark and angle to the songs, developed them further, and proper musicians playing the proper instruments, etc?
- Doxa
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Doxa
Funny thing to consider is if Keith's claim in LIFE holds true - that Mick would wanted to record the whole album (A BIGGER BANG) again in a proper studio, but Keith and Was vetoed (because they liked the 'raw feel' on it, or something) - what it would have turned to be like? Had it been polished too much and over-produced? Or could the band have found some new spark and angle to the songs, developed them further, and proper musicians playing the proper instruments, etc?
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HMS
Most of above mentioned outtakes or jams or whatever are horrible trash, imo.
It would take less time to write completely new material than trying to make this wrecks rolling...
If I recall right this is exactly the thing Ronnie has said a couple of (ten/fifteen?) years ago - that it is easier for them to start from a scratch than try to rewarm some old song project.
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Possibly, the way it should probably work though for the songs and playing to gather depth and momentum is writing and playing together over time, like say since they got back together in late 2012. Instead of that it's the same "rush job" of adding half cooked parts to Mick's pretty much final demos and fleshing out of some of Keith's rough sketches. Guess their heart is just not into it and it's hard to hide that in the final "product"...Let's face it, even though we'll all be excited upon the first few listens, in light of this approach (as if it's not hard enough for guys in their 70s to replicate the fire of their heydays) it would take a small miracle for that "product" to have a chance of standing up to their legacy or of having any sort of importance (to loosely quote a recent post by Rocky Dijon ).
Well, one cannot much disagree with that reasoning... I think teh best we can expect is that Mick's demos and Keith's sketches are good ones to start with it. With that approach teh band really can't do any miracles in the studio - in developing the songs - so the songs or initial ideas need to be good ones if the album is going to be a good one. I keep my fingers crossed...
Yeah, due to age, disinterest, personal relationship or whatever, I agree that the days of spending weeks in the studio in catching the right feel and take are long gone. It could be as they themselves realized that that method simply doesn't work anymore (the results just won't be any better no matter how much effort and energy they put on that), so as pragmatic men, they don't waste energy on that any longer (my picture is that VOODOO LOUNGE was the last time they for the last time tried something to that effect). I don't think it is only Jagger's decision. If we look at CROSSEYED HEART, despite it having not 'deadlines', it is not done with the dedication and hunger Keith and the guys once did their old masterpieces. CROSSEYED HEART is a result of contingent lazy Sunday afternoon recording sessions, Keith occasionally inviting some to paals to play with him, instead of endless Saturday night sessions the guys almost living in the studio, one goal - a great record - in mind. Even maestro's work ethics are not like what they used to be...
Funnily, the way they record these days reminds me of the days before their "studio excellence" days, which would produce masterpieces like LET IT BLEED and EXILE ON MAIN STREET. Think of the days they would record many songs in one session. At that time if the question was of originals, it was Mick and Keith's songs that would be introduced to the band and then quickly arranged and recorded. Now it would be Mick's demos and Keith's sketches... But even with that method they could produce incredible results back then ... "Satisfaction", AFTERMATH... probably because the songs just were so damn good and you know what you do... I mean, there is nothing wrong with that method if you have the goods and means... (that is, you don't need necessarily to spend your whole life jamming in the studio in order to get great results...)
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Should a new album have any Covers? They have so many classic ones in the past, blues and C Berry. I'd like a few of these, perhaps some they have never done on a release (maybe in a live show) rather than marginal, unexciting new material. Thoughts??
I think it should be all covers. The well ran dry on the Jagger/Richards songwriting partnership long ago but they still sound great when they play together.
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leftbank
Should a new album have any Covers? They have so many classic ones in the past, blues and C Berry. I'd like a few of these, perhaps some they have never done on a release (maybe in a live show) rather than marginal, unexciting new material. Thoughts??
I think it should be all covers. The well ran dry on the Jagger/Richards songwriting partnership long ago but they still sound great when they play together.
The magic dust they sprinkled over covers in the past has disappeared. Their last great cover was Harlem Shuffle. Like A Rolling Stone was a total dud. (In fact the better Dylan cover is Watching the River Flow off the Tribute to Stu LP).
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Should a new album have any Covers? They have so many classic ones in the past, blues and C Berry. I'd like a few of these, perhaps some they have never done on a release (maybe in a live show) rather than marginal, unexciting new material. Thoughts??
I think it should be all covers. The well ran dry on the Jagger/Richards songwriting partnership long ago but they still sound great when they play together.
The magic dust they sprinkled over covers in the past has disappeared. Their last great cover was Harlem Shuffle. Like A Rolling Stone was a total dud. (In fact the better Dylan cover is Watching the River Flow off the Tribute to Stu LP).
I really liked their version of 'Like A Rolling Stone!' Nowhere near as good as the original, but still good. However, to suggest that they do a covers album is stupid!
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EJM
So some questions for experienced iorrians
why is there so little information about what is going on / what has happened ?
There must be lots of you on the board who have had experience of the stones recording practices before - Is this usual ?
Given the importance of this activity why is this thread not sticky ?
The only clear indication that Keith has actually been present at all is Patti being seen at Bernard's gig ( admittedly pretty good data ) and no pictures, remarks nothing - could this mean that the work has been disappointing or is this how they usually behave ?
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So some questions for experienced iorrians
why is there so little information about what is going on / what has happened ?
There must be lots of you on the board who have had experience of the stones recording practices before - Is this usual ?
Given the importance of this activity why is this thread not sticky ?
The only clear indication that Keith has actually been present at all is Patti being seen at Bernard's gig ( admittedly pretty good data ) and no pictures, remarks nothing - could this mean that the work has been disappointing or is this how they usually behave ?
The last album was 11 years ago, long before social media and early in reality tv. There didn't used to be much leaked while they were working on an album beyond some general information (e.g., a song title or two, where they're recording, overall sound). Revealing too much during the process may not enhance one's appreciation of the finished work.
I for one prefer to investigate the process only after I've digested the finished work. For example, I'm digging the Dylan 65-66 set because the finished works are sacred texts. When I've heard the songs before an album is released, the album can be anticlimactic. I had a bootleg of Neil Young's Rust tour months ahead of Live Rust. Having that boot diminished the impact of Live Rust when it was first released.