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filstan
While Lance probably took performing enhancement drugs he avoided detection. I always thought he was doping yet this was in a time in cycling when it appeared many riders did so to remain competitive. What I am suggesting is that this was a level playing field. Lance clearly was very good at what he did. His lung capacity was considered to be abnormally high. He was driven to succeed and following a nasty bout with testicular cancer came back to race at a very high level for a long period of time. He gave alot back as well with his foundations. He also created lots of interest in the sport of cycling. It is a pity his record will be tarnished, but I will always hold him in high regard for his accomplishments, and for appearing to be a good human being.

I am still waiting for THEM to say when and where he failed the drug tests. Over the years I have read over and over where THEY reported many many others for failing tested and THEY gleefully went public with it and tossed those riders out.... but I never read where THEY said Lance Armstrong failed. Just a lot of haters and blah blahers blah blahing...

Today I read Lance say that he was done fighting about it.. and now so many seem to be taking such glee in it..... as if this is some kind of admitting he did it... He admittted nothing.

If he doped then tell the results... if not then shut the fk up.

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And the BS about give back the money? ... gimme a fkg break!

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filstan
While Lance probably took performing enhancement drugs he avoided detection. I always thought he was doping yet this was in a time in cycling when it appeared many riders did so to remain competitive. What I am suggesting is that this was a level playing field. Lance clearly was very good at what he did. His lung capacity was considered to be abnormally high. He was driven to succeed and following a nasty bout with testicular cancer came back to race at a very high level for a long period of time. He gave alot back as well with his foundations. He also created lots of interest in the sport of cycling. It is a pity his record will be tarnished, but I will always hold him in high regard for his accomplishments, and for appearing to be a good human being.

I am still waiting for THEM to say when and where he failed the drug tests. Over the years I have read over and over where THEY reported many many others for failing tested and THEY gleefully went public with it and tossed those riders out.... but I never read where THEY said Lance Armstrong failed. Just a lot of haters and blah blahers blah blahing...

Today I read Lance say that he was done fighting about it.. and now so many seem to be taking such glee in it..... as if this is some kind of admitting he did it... He admittted nothing.

If he doped then tell the results... if not then shut the fk up.

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And the BS about give back the money? ... gimme a fkg break!

Many people were jealous of his success. They wanted him to fail in the worst way. The fact he was American also pissed people off in Europe. So yes, let's see the results of him failing tests, and see evidence of what he was actually taking that enhanced his cycling abilities? A witch hunt of the highest degree.

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filstan
While Lance probably took performing enhancement drugs he avoided detection. I always thought he was doping yet this was in a time in cycling when it appeared many riders did so to remain competitive. What I am suggesting is that this was a level playing field. Lance clearly was very good at what he did. His lung capacity was considered to be abnormally high. He was driven to succeed and following a nasty bout with testicular cancer came back to race at a very high level for a long period of time. He gave alot back as well with his foundations. He also created lots of interest in the sport of cycling. It is a pity his record will be tarnished, but I will always hold him in high regard for his accomplishments, and for appearing to be a good human being.

I am still waiting for THEM to say when and where he failed the drug tests. Over the years I have read over and over where THEY reported many many others for failing tested and THEY gleefully went public with it and tossed those riders out.... but I never read where THEY said Lance Armstrong failed. Just a lot of haters and blah blahers blah blahing...

Today I read Lance say that he was done fighting about it.. and now so many seem to be taking such glee in it..... as if this is some kind of admitting he did it... He admittted nothing.

If he doped then tell the results... if not then shut the fk up.

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And the BS about give back the money? ... gimme a fkg break!

Many people were jealous of his success. They wanted him to fail in the worst way. The fact he was American also pissed people off in Europe. So yes, let's see the results of him failing tests, and see evidence of what he was actually taking that enhanced his cycling abilities? A witch hunt of the highest degree.

Yeah I didnt really wanna mention the (now standard) anti-American aspect... it just gets old.... but I did wonder if the glee level around here would be quite as high if he was from Europe.

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I cant wait until The USA is seriously competitive in World Cup soccer, and it is just a matter of time... it is going to drive some people insane.... it is gonna be fun to watch... although (as we saw in the last WC) beating the refs and the other teams is going to be tough.

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I'm afraid you don't really want to read and hear all the facts and you are free to admire LA as much as you want.

I absolutely want to read all the facts of Armstrong doing something illegal. Please feel free to provide me with those facts, because I haven't seen them yet.
And another note, I have been watching and following Tour de France ever since I was a little kid, more than 50 years ago. So I much more liked the Tour de France in the old days. So you can imagine that I am not a fan of Lance Armstrong at all. But that doesn't mean that I am going to condemn him until he is proven guilty.
And until now, there is no proof.
I asked it before and I will ask it again: Maybe you can quote where in the article is proof for Armstrong doing something illegal.

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yes I admit as a European that the US team showed very good things in 2010 in South Africa and I think that the US team will be interesting in 2014 in Brazil.
We'll see if they improved and if they're able to compete with the favourites.

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Yeah I didnt really wanna mention the (now standard) anti-American aspect...

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Yeah I didnt really wanna mention the (now standard) anti-American aspect...

Umm, he's being accused by the USADA:

"The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency Friday disqualified famed cyclist Lance Armstrong’s seven Tour de France titles and imposed a lifetime competition ban “as a result of his anti-doping rules violations,” the agency announced."

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The fact that he won't contest the charges is proof enough for me that he's guilty. He saw the handrwiting on the wall and it wasn't pretty. Better to bow out now and blame the process than to go through arbitration and be found guilty. It's the equivalent of a no-contest plea, which means he's guilty.

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He's as much admitted his guilt by not contesting the most recent USADA findings. Someone who fought against something for 15 years isn't going to give up unless there's a good reason.

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The fact that he won't contest the charges is proof enough for me that he's guilty.

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Send It To me
Did Hank Williams really write all those songs?

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Rockman
...aawww leave him be ... after all they pump nitro in dragsters don't they

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windmelody
This sentence is hysteric. Armstrong may not be a likeable person, but surviving cancer and winning the Tour seven times in a row afterwards is admireable. Will all cyclists who did the tour in the late nineties and early zeros be banned now?

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This sentence is hysteric. Armstrong may not be a likeable person, but surviving cancer and winning the Tour seven times in a row afterwards is admireable. Will all cyclists who did the tour in the late nineties and early zeros be banned now?

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This sentence is hysteric. Armstrong may not be a likeable person, but surviving cancer and winning the Tour seven times in a row afterwards is admireable. Will all cyclists who did the tour in the late nineties and early zeros be banned now?

What has surviving cancer to do with it? And is it admirable to win the tour 7 times completely doped up?

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...aawww leave him be ... after all they pump nitro in dragsters don't they

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...aawww leave him be ... after all they pump nitro in dragsters don't they

Yes they are all doped, but as long as it is not allowed he (and all others as well) shouldn't be able to keep his titles. Don't forget he made over a hundert million dollars marketing this titles.