It was his ghost then...
Sorry, could have been Moreno Argentil?

The story is in Armstrong's book "it's not about the bike".
This a young Armstrong racing his first races in Europe.
He writes about how he started learning
the codes of respect in cycling and how this was he's fist big lesson.

If I recall correctly, Armstrong did not know who Moreno was and was disrespectful on an incident either before or during the race.
Armstrong manage to get second place in the race and when Argentil had
the chance to get third, he hit the breaks and let other riders past him.
He later said that he did not wanted to stand next to Armstrong...

I read Armstrong's books. I followed his career since he started. I believe he took cycling to another level. He brought money into it. You had the Yankees on the peloton, with very scientific training, sport medicine, innovations in technology. With a big enough budget to travel to France and train in the exact same hills where they where going to race later in the summer. You also had great talent and a personality that would do anything to win. Unfortunately that included taking doping also to another level, and pushing his team to also think his way...anything to help him win.

"I believe he took cycling to another level. He brought money into it. You had the Yankees on the peloton"

Yeah there were lots of Yanks on the side of the roads too chering and waving US flags. Too bad they simply disappeared once L.A. retired from the Tour.

I guess they had NO interest in cycling, they were just there to lick the bottom of another US winner (or "winner")...

Have to say - the case is becoming more and more interesting.

Rumour about Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriske, George Hincapie - and the Garmin-chef, Jonathan Vaughters, having admitted being involved with doping and being in the case against Armstrong!!!

The case is getting ugly.

And of course LA denies it all...

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I read Armstrong's books. I followed his career since he started. I believe he took cycling to another level. He brought money into it. You had the Yankees on the peloton, with very scientific training, sport medicine, innovations in technology. With a big enough budget to travel to France and train in the exact same hills where they where going to race later in the summer. You also had great talent and a personality that would do anything to win. Unfortunately that included taking doping also to another level, and pushing his team to also think his way...anything to help him win.

in italy we say:
beato chi ci crede
( you blissful if you think it's true) ..more or less

Did lemond dope?

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Posted by: GOO ()
Date: July 6, 2012 01:32

Did lemond dope?

Don't know...ask Fignon.

Fignon is dead.

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Date: July 6, 2012 15:10

Fignon is dead.

Oh, you're right. Respect to a great Cyclist.

Lemond battles with Fignon where some of most exciting
moments in tour history, especially the one coming down to the last TT
where Lemond made up more than a minute to win the tour by the closest
margin...something like 8 sec.

Lemond was one of the first believers of the benefits of aerobars and
the use aerodymanics. Also was very much into watts output training, etc.

He was also one of the first to point out that Armstrong was not clean many
years ago..

I'm starting to be sympathetic towards Armstrong because :

- he's in deep trouble now. And as are all the ppl who face big troubles he's alone.
No one wants to remember him and no one will admit they made "beaucoup" money out of Lance : the sponsors (US Postal) the Tour organization, the TV channels who showed the Tour and cashed in commercials. I'm sure he did a lot for promoting tourism in the rural areas of France.

- after all, juiced or not, he rode all these 1000's of kms on his bike. He climbed these dreadfully difficult Alps or Pyrénées roads.

The harder they come the harder they fall.



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he is full of shit, as so many of his.....
all blalh blah blah
jeroen

It's a BS witch hunt - long after the fact............

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Have to say - the case is becoming more and more interesting.

Rumour about Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriske, George Hincapie - and the Garmin-chef, Jonathan Vaughters, having admitted being involved with doping and being in the case against Armstrong!!!

The case is getting ugly.

So what you're saying is Armstrong won all those races by winning ugly.

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Date: July 6, 2012 18:23

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mtaylor
Have to say - the case is becoming more and more interesting.

Rumour about Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriske, George Hincapie - and the Garmin-chef, Jonathan Vaughters, having admitted being involved with doping and being in the case against Armstrong!!!

The case is getting ugly.

So what you're saying is Armstrong won all those races by winning ugly.

Yep...and Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriske, George Hincapie and the Garmin-chef, Jonathan Vaughters did all the Dirty Work for him.

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Date: July 6, 2012 18:23

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mtaylor
Have to say - the case is becoming more and more interesting.

Rumour about Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriske, George Hincapie - and the Garmin-chef, Jonathan Vaughters, having admitted being involved with doping and being in the case against Armstrong!!!

The case is getting ugly.

So what you're saying is Armstrong won all those races by winning ugly.

Yep...and Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriske, George Hincapie and the Garmin-chef, Jonathan Vaughters did all the Dirty Work for him.

Ahhhh. That's because they don't know how to hold back.

It is a complete witch hunt.
[www.thedailybeast.com]

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

It was the news of the day in the Tour de France

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Keep On Rolling

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mtaylor
Have to say - the case is becoming more and more interesting.

Rumour about Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriske, George Hincapie - and the Garmin-chef, Jonathan Vaughters, having admitted being involved with doping and being in the case against Armstrong!!!

The case is getting ugly.

So what you're saying is Armstrong won all those races by winning ugly.

Didn't say "won all those races by winning ugly" - I said the case is getting ugly with his all his former teammates turning against him.

Like it or not he won on a level playing field. The guy beat metastatic cancer and won 7 tours. The entire the field was doping. It's just like baseball in the 1990's. Even memenite cyclists like Floyd Landis. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that's reality and Armstrong is still remarkable.

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It is a complete witch hunt.
[www.thedailybeast.com]

L.A. will have to lie as long as he can : he admits he took stuff or the minute he's proven guilty he's dead/broke/a pariah.

But he's got some guts to lie and lie more : the French have 1999 urine samples that contain EPO!

Run Lance run! ><

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"I believe he took cycling to another level. He brought money into it. You had the Yankees on the peloton"

Yeah there were lots of Yanks on the side of the roads too chering and waving US flags. Too bad they simply disappeared once L.A. retired from the Tour.

I guess they had NO interest in cycling, they were just there to lick the bottom of another US winner (or "winner")...

You'll never confuse me with being a cycling fan then!

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Posted by: Slimharpo ()
Date: July 7, 2012 15:52

Like it or not he won on a level playing field. The guy beat metastatic cancer and won 7 tours. The entire the field was doping. It's just like baseball in the 1990's. Even memenite cyclists like Floyd Landis. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that's reality and Armstrong is still remarkable.

Is not fair to say the entire field was cheating.

Lance was a doper, all those wins mean nothing, so sad

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mtaylor
Have to say - the case is becoming more and more interesting.

Rumour about Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriske, George Hincapie - and the Garmin-chef, Jonathan Vaughters, having admitted being involved with doping and being in the case against Armstrong!!!

The case is getting ugly.

So what you're saying is Armstrong won all those races by winning ugly.

Didn't say "won all those races by winning ugly" - I said the case is getting ugly with his all his former teammates turning against him.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm also aware that you didn't run with the goof of it being turned around into a Stones song titled joke.

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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues

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mtaylor
Have to say - the case is becoming more and more interesting.

Rumour about Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriske, George Hincapie - and the Garmin-chef, Jonathan Vaughters, having admitted being involved with doping and being in the case against Armstrong!!!

The case is getting ugly.

So what you're saying is Armstrong won all those races by winning ugly.

Didn't say "won all those races by winning ugly" - I said the case is getting ugly with his all his former teammates turning against him.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm also aware that you didn't run with the goof of it being turned around into a Stones song titled joke.

The entire field! The French went the extra mile to get armstring. It wouldn't have happened if he wasn't American. Now the other who got caught want Armstrong hung. Fair enough. But the whole field was doping just like baseball.

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mtaylor
Have to say - the case is becoming more and more interesting.

Rumour about Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriske, George Hincapie - and the Garmin-chef, Jonathan Vaughters, having admitted being involved with doping and being in the case against Armstrong!!!

The case is getting ugly.

So what you're saying is Armstrong won all those races by winning ugly.

Didn't say "won all those races by winning ugly" - I said the case is getting ugly with his all his former teammates turning against him.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm also aware that you didn't run with the goof of it being turned around into a Stones song titled joke.

See below:

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Date: July 6, 2012 18:23

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mtaylor
Have to say - the case is becoming more and more interesting.

Rumour about Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriske, George Hincapie - and the Garmin-chef, Jonathan Vaughters, having admitted being involved with doping and being in the case against Armstrong!!!

The case is getting ugly.

So what you're saying is Armstrong won all those races by winning ugly."

Yep...and Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriske, George Hincapie and the Garmin-chef, Jonathan Vaughters did all the Dirty Work for him.

Ahhhh. That's because they don't know how to hold back.

We where being Too Rude.
Sorry.

Haters gonna be hating....espicially the Euros.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

Three pages about this. Who cares, man. Guy rides a bicycle. Life's too short to care about a guy rides a damn bicycle.