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Keith Richards will be there doing what he always does. He never was perfect. Doesn't need to be. It has never been just about the music to me. I could give a rip how technically perfect a musician is. It's about how much joy is delivered. The personalities have a lot to do with it.
This is the kind of argument I don't understand. Certainly, Keith has never been a technically perfect guitarist. We're all Stones fans...we're not listening to the band for technically perfect playing. But there's still a difference between good and bad playing. I need a little more than just joy being delivered. My neighbor could plug in a guitar and bash away at it, but just because he has a smile on his face while he's doing it doesn't mean he's any good or it's worth listening to.
The difference is your neighbor isn't Keith Richards. People still line fairways to see 82 year old Arnold Palmer, 72 year old Jack Nicklaus, and 76 year old Gary Player in made for TV golf competitions. These guys are some of the greatest names in golf, but can't play anywhere close to the way they played 20, 30, 40, and 50 years ago. But they still deliver "moments of magic" and the fans absolutely love and respect them and can never get enough of them no matter how bad they play. Same for Keith, and he can probably play better today (relatively speaking) than Arnie, Jack, or Gary can in their sport. Of course if his playing becomes so bad that the casual fans become turned off by it, and stop coming to concerts in droves, then certainly it will be time to consider retirement. I don't think he has reached that point yet, despite his many critics on forums like this.
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People still line fairways to see 82 year old Arnold Palmer, 72 year old Jack Nicklaus, and 76 year old Gary Player in made for TV golf competitions. These guys are some of the greatest names in golf, but can't play anywhere close to the way they played 20, 30, 40, and 50 years ago. But they still deliver "moments of magic" and the fans absolutely love and respect them and can never get enough of them no matter how bad they play. Same for Keith, and he can probably play better today (relatively speaking) than Arnie, Jack, or Gary can in their sport. Of course if his playing becomes so bad that the casual fans become turned off by it, and stop coming to concerts in droves, then certainly it will be time to consider retirement. I don't think he has reached that point yet, despite his many critics on forums like this.
But what if Mick CAN play somewhere close to his peak, not athletically of course,
but conceptually, artistically, existentially, expressionistically...
What then should Mick do, oh Mighty One? Hamstring himself for old times sake?
Or partner up with younger artists who are a better match for his energy and vision?
Believe me, I wish everyday that the Rolling Stones 2012, on their best day,
could do for 19th Breakdown and the Last Time what those youngsters did.
But what if the Stones just can't anymore? What should Mick do then?
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Keith Richards will be there doing what he always does. He never was perfect. Doesn't need to be. It has never been just about the music to me. I could give a rip how technically perfect a musician is. It's about how much joy is delivered. The personalities have a lot to do with it.
This is the kind of argument I don't understand. Certainly, Keith has never been a technically perfect guitarist. We're all Stones fans...we're not listening to the band for technically perfect playing. But there's still a difference between good and bad playing. I need a little more than just joy being delivered. My neighbor could plug in a guitar and bash away at it, but just because he has a smile on his face while he's doing it doesn't mean he's any good or it's worth listening to.
The difference is your neighbor isn't Keith Richards. People still line fairways to see 82 year old Arnold Palmer, 72 year old Jack Nicklaus, and 76 year old Gary Player in made for TV golf competitions. These guys are some of the greatest names in golf, but can't play anywhere close to the way they played 20, 30, 40, and 50 years ago. But they still deliver "moments of magic" and the fans absolutely love and respect them and can never get enough of them no matter how bad they play. Same for Keith, and he can probably play better today (relatively speaking) than Arnie, Jack, or Gary can in their sport. Of course if his playing becomes so bad that the casual fans become turned off by it, and stop coming to concerts in droves, then certainly it will be time to consider retirement. I don't think he has reached that point yet, despite his many critics on forums like this.
Obviously Keith Richards has a higher stature than my neighbor but I still don't think that excuses him from shoddy playing. I'm not expecting Keith to play like he did when he was 30. But the shows I saw on the last tour left me feeling cold, and many of the boots from the '07 shows feature a Keith Richards who struggles to even play the warhorses. Again, Keith was never a technically perfect player. He wasn't, and we don't want him to be. He was brilliant in spite of it. But he could still PLAY. And with the ticket prices these guys charge, I want to hear a guy who can actually play rather than plunk down hundred's just to see Keith Richards stand there smiling (or if you watch some videos of the last tour, looking confused) and be okay with it because it's Keith Richards.
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Bricklayer
Look, like the rest of you I'm crazy about the Rolling Stones and have been for 40 years now. Unfortunately age catches everyone in the end. To compare Keith to golfers who play rounds when they're in the mood makes no sense. These tours are grueling for people half the age of the average Stone. As I've mentioned in other pages on this site Jagger's bouts w/laryngitis have gotten worse over the years, Keith & Ronnie miss more than they hit these days, and Charlie will run out of gas at some point.
Maybe a twenty city tour where they do two nights in a row at larger theaters, have 4 or 5 days between cities, and bring in some younger (40's) session guitar players to back up Keith & Ronnie. Might be fun, joyful, & interesting.
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But what if Mick CAN play somewhere close to his peak, not athletically of course,
but conceptually, artistically, existentially, expressionistically...
What then should Mick do, oh Mighty One? Hamstring himself for old times sake?
Or partner up with younger artists who are a better match for his energy and vision?
Believe me, I wish everyday that the Rolling Stones 2012, on their best day,
could do for 19th Breakdown and the Last Time what those youngsters did.
But what if the Stones just can't anymore? What should Mick do then?
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dewlover
"What should Mick do then?"
Well, he could start by getting rid of the idiotic Peter Pan impersonation, and play some BLUUUUUUUESSSSSSSSS !!!
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CousinC
Jagger can still deliver!
why, does he work for pizza hut?
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Shawn20
You Jagger haters can stick it