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Justin
I thought all the insanity would be over now that the show is over...now we gotta deal with ridiculous posts on hidden messages and subliminal suggestions by Mick as he performed? Sweet Moses...are we honestly THAT desperate for a tour? Why in the world Mick Jagger--a guy who has gone on record saying to never predict or make future plans in public---go on SNL and drop a hint saying "see you in the fall?" I thought some of you were hardcore fans. Don't you know Mick better than that? You guys are putting up some rookie mistakes here making all these ridiculous speculations. Mick hosted and performed in SNL. There is no hidden agenda...no secret messages or double meanings. The show is over, Mick has moved on to whatever he has next on his plate. Shouldn't we all do the same?
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riverrat
Somebody tell me what he was really saying on The Last Time, because I kept hearing "See you in the fall, See you in the fall"...?????? If it was just my imagination, what was he really saying? I can't always understand what he says.
No, it wasn't your imagination. That's exactly what I am hearing. I have played it back more than a dozen times. The introduction to the song was very spiritual. To me, that was a clue in and of itself. The Last Time was chosen for a reason. A very special reason. I know this will be hotly contested, but so be it.
It will be contested because it's insane. Arcade Fire have covered the song in the past. When it came time to discuss what song they'd be doing with Mick, it makes sense that they would choose a song they were already familiar with.
I mean, if you're going to read into the words "The Last Time" as being some sort of hidden message about the Stones touring one last time, then why should we stop there? Maybe it meant it's THE LAST TIME Mick will ever host SNL. Maybe it meant it's THE LAST TIME Mick will ever sing a Stones song. Or maybe it meant nothing. In fact, no "maybe"...it DID mean nothing.
And no, he was not singing "See you in the fall". Even if the Stones did have plans to perform in the fall, there's no way Mick would sing that. It's too stupid.
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Justin
I thought all the insanity would be over now that the show is over...now we gotta deal with ridiculous posts on hidden messages and subliminal suggestions by Mick as he performed? Sweet Moses...are we honestly THAT desperate for a tour? Why in the world Mick Jagger--a guy who has gone on record saying to never predict or make future plans in public---go on SNL and drop a hint saying "see you in the fall?" I thought some of you were hardcore fans. Don't you know Mick better than that? You guys are putting up some rookie mistakes here making all these ridiculous speculations. Mick hosted and performed in SNL. There is no hidden agenda...no secret messages or double meanings. The show is over, Mick has moved on to whatever he has next on his plate. Shouldn't we all do the same?
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riverrat
Somebody tell me what he was really saying on The Last Time, because I kept hearing "See you in the fall, See you in the fall"...?????? If it was just my imagination, what was he really saying? I can't always understand what he says.
No, it wasn't your imagination. That's exactly what I am hearing. I have played it back more than a dozen times. The introduction to the song was very spiritual. To me, that was a clue in and of itself. The Last Time was chosen for a reason. A very special reason. I know this will be hotly contested, but so be it.
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Shade
Still a lot of unwarranted Keef bashing going on here. What are bashers getting at anyway? MJ and KR go together like white on rice. Lots of knocks on Keef...he is getting older we know, and has some real medical issues. Doesn't mean he can't play, but don't expect 1972 KR anytime soon. Same with Mick who last night showed a pale comparison to Some Girls MJ. MJ hasn't "sang" since 1975, he's been "shout singing" with that flat unvaried monotone since 1981. I have little doubt that both MJ and KR are friends and business partners, and that KR was not "betrayed" or offended by MJ on SNL last night as some demented posters has transmitted from mom's basement. Grow-up, KR was probably sleeping like 3/4 of America was when MJ did SNL. It all equals a fart in the end. We're lucky we still have them with us. Solo Stones are fun, but not very interesting. MJ was great last night, but even I could make the Poo Fighters sound good.
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Doesn't mean he can't play, but don't expect 1972 KR anytime soon.
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Somebody tell me what he was really saying on The Last Time, because I kept hearing "See you in the fall, See you in the fall"...?????? If it was just my imagination, what was he really saying? I can't always understand what he says.
No, it wasn't your imagination. That's exactly what I am hearing. I have played it back more than a dozen times. The introduction to the song was very spiritual. To me, that was a clue in and of itself. The Last Time was chosen for a reason. A very special reason. I know this will be hotly contested, but so be it.
After listening to the original, he says something similar once, so I don't think he was saying "see you in the fall", but I can't figure out what he was saying, either on the original one time or on the show several times. But, whatever-- it doesn't matter. Unfortunately, it was just my imagina-A-tion...running away with me.
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Shade
Still a lot of unwarranted Keef bashing going on here. What are bashers getting at anyway? MJ and KR go together like white on rice. Lots of knocks on Keef...he is getting older we know, and has some real medical issues. Doesn't mean he can't play, but don't expect 1972 KR anytime soon. Same with Mick who last night showed a pale comparison to Some Girls MJ. MJ hasn't "sang" since 1975, he's been "shout singing" with that flat unvaried monotone since 1981. I have little doubt that both MJ and KR are friends and business partners, and that KR was not "betrayed" or offended by MJ on SNL last night as some demented posters has transmitted from mom's basement. Grow-up, KR was probably sleeping like 3/4 of America was when MJ did SNL. It all equals a fart in the end. We're lucky we still have them with us. Solo Stones are fun, but not very interesting. MJ was great last night, but even I could make the Poo Fighters sound good.
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Still a lot of unwarranted Keef bashing going on here. What are bashers getting at anyway? MJ and KR go together like white on rice. Lots of knocks on Keef...he is getting older we know, and has some real medical issues. Doesn't mean he can't play, but don't expect 1972 KR anytime soon. Same with Mick who last night showed a pale comparison to Some Girls MJ. MJ hasn't "sang" since 1975, he's been "shout singing" with that flat unvaried monotone since 1981. I have little doubt that both MJ and KR are friends and business partners, and that KR was not "betrayed" or offended by MJ on SNL last night as some demented posters has transmitted from mom's basement. Grow-up, KR was probably sleeping like 3/4 of America was when MJ did SNL. It all equals a fart in the end. We're lucky we still have them with us. Solo Stones are fun, but not very interesting. MJ was great last night, but even I could make the Poo Fighters sound good.
The Keith bashing is unfortunately a permanent thing now. It's some kind of "retaliation" for his diarrhea of the mouth in recent years in combination with his deteriorating playing (the latter he has no control over). The only way he'll redeem himself is he goes out there and plays guitar like he's 28 again. Until then, the Keith/parasite bashing is here to stay.
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Denny
"The Last Time" was chosen because Arcade Fire are into the song.
The gospel intro was chosen because "The Last Time" is an "interpretation" of a gospel song by the same name. Somebody thought it'd be a cool idea to make the musical link.
There were no subliminal messages, that is, apart from the quotation of selected lines from the song "Ruthless People", the 25th anniversary of which has been unfairly overlooked in all this "Stones 50" nonsense.
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Shade
Still a lot of unwarranted Keef bashing going on here. What are bashers getting at anyway? MJ and KR go together like white on rice. Lots of knocks on Keef...he is getting older we know, and has some real medical issues. Doesn't mean he can't play, but don't expect 1972 KR anytime soon. Same with Mick who last night showed a pale comparison to Some Girls MJ. MJ hasn't "sang" since 1975, he's been "shout singing" with that flat unvaried monotone since 1981. I have little doubt that both MJ and KR are friends and business partners, and that KR was not "betrayed" or offended by MJ on SNL last night as some demented posters has transmitted from mom's basement. Grow-up, KR was probably sleeping like 3/4 of America was when MJ did SNL. It all equals a fart in the end. We're lucky we still have them with us. Solo Stones are fun, but not very interesting. MJ was great last night, but even I could make the Poo Fighters sound good.
Sometimes I wonder if maybe Keith isn't seriously ill. I sure hope not, but he strikes me as someone who wouldn't say a word to anyone but his immediate family. If they don't pull this 50th anniversary thing off then something is truly amiss.
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DeanGoodman
While Mick acquitted himself superbly under the circumstances, I feel he blew a wonderful opportunity both to redefine his musical legacy and to open up exciting new possibilities. Lorne Michaels gave him a blank musical canvas, and Mick played it safe by covering some well-known Stones songs with a pair of mainstream rock bands who don't need any more exposure.
The a capella gospel opening to The Last Time offered a tantalizing glimpse into what could have been. Thinking back to cross-genre collaborations with the likes of Peter Tosh, the Chieftains and the Jacksons, I would like to have seen Mick team up with, say, a bold new talent like Janelle Monae and do a James Brown song, or with the Black Keys on a Howlin' Wolf number, or with Mary J. Blige on anything. I'm not saying he needed to pander to millennials by partnering with Lady Gaga or Justin Bieber, but he could have ventured outside of his comfort zone. And what the hell? Mick and the Biebs doing Tom Waits or "Too Much Blood" would have been a cool train wreck. We only live once.
It goes back to Keith's old line from the '86 Musician mag cover story about respecting Mick more if he had covered Mantovani or Sinatra. Speaking of Keith, the collaboration with Jeff Beck on a throwaway ditty Mick wrote on the toilet 5 minutes earlier was absolutely a giant FU. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But I also wonder whether it was inadvertently offensive to Jeff: You dragged me on to SNL for this piece of crap when I could have been fixing my new hot rod?! But Mick should be commended if he had any role in Jeff ditching his traditional sleeveless vest.
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angee
Not everyone is bashing Keith, just to note.
I guess many are looking for someone to blame for the tour not going ahead right now.
Frustration of hard core fans like us is understandable.
I haven't run into anyone who really seems to know why it's not.
I prefer to remain optimistic that it will.
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DeanGoodman
While Mick acquitted himself superbly under the circumstances, I feel he blew a wonderful opportunity both to redefine his musical legacy and to open up exciting new possibilities. Lorne Michaels gave him a blank musical canvas, and Mick played it safe by covering some well-known Stones songs with a pair of mainstream rock bands who don't need any more exposure.
The a capella gospel opening to The Last Time offered a tantalizing glimpse into what could have been. Thinking back to cross-genre collaborations with the likes of Peter Tosh, the Chieftains and the Jacksons, I would like to have seen Mick team up with, say, a bold new talent like Janelle Monae and do a James Brown song, or with the Black Keys on a Howlin' Wolf number, or with Mary J. Blige on anything. I'm not saying he needed to pander to millennials by partnering with Lady Gaga or Justin Bieber, but he could have ventured outside of his comfort zone. And what the hell? Mick and the Biebs doing Tom Waits or "Too Much Blood" would have been a cool train wreck. We only live once.
It goes back to Keith's old line from the '86 Musician mag cover story about respecting Mick more if he had covered Mantovani or Sinatra. Speaking of Keith, the collaboration with Jeff Beck on a throwaway ditty Mick wrote on the toilet 5 minutes earlier was absolutely a giant FU. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But I also wonder whether it was inadvertently offensive to Jeff: You dragged me on to SNL for this piece of crap when I could have been fixing my new hot rod?! But Mick should be commended if he had any role in Jeff ditching his traditional sleeveless vest.
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I know I'm just a tad bit late with my views on Mick's performance last night, but after waiting all week for SNL, I didn't get to see the show. A special evening was planned. My wife and myself along with another couple drove 45 miles to eat at my favorite restaurant. We had a great meal, great wine and great conversation. The other couple aren't really Stones fans and had a lot of questions about Mick, Keith and the band in general. I got to show off what little knowledge I possess as I mellowed on the wine. I had a nice wine buzz as we left the restaurant. Just that nice glow. My wife took over driving duties as planned. She was my designated driver for the night. God love her, she knew how much I was looking forward to this night and she was doing everything to make sure I would enjoy the evening. That's what makes what happened next so damn sad. There are two ways to get home from the restaurant. A straight shot down the interstate or a very scenic drive over a mountain on a narrow, twisty, rural road that runs through farm country. It was a unanimous decision to cross the mountain. Now looking back I ask myself what the hell did we think we were going to see? It was pitch dark. I had Brussels in the CD player and was explaining why IMO MT's playing made this such a great performance. We crossed the mountain and had just gotten to the other side when it happened. A deer came out of nowhere. A big deer. Beth jammed the brakes and swerved hard to the right to keep from hitting it. The car shot to the right, ran off the road, bounced like hell down a small embankment, took down a barbed wire fence (the sparks looked like the 4th of July) and settled in a muddy field. Thank God no one was hurt. There was that moment where no one made a sound then Beth let out a huge sob and started crying. After making sure everyone was ok we piled out to assess the damage. The front tires were both blown. It was hard to see that because the the car had sunk about a foot in that red mud that area is known for. To shorten this a bit I'll just say that we didn't get home until 5:30 AM. We went straight to bed. We slept until noon. When I woke up SNL was the last thing on my mind. I called our friends to make sure there was no delayed reaction from the accident. They were both sore from the bouncing, but otherwise ok. I left the house to run another errand. When I got home Beth called out to me from the entertainment room. "Come here I want to show you something". I went in and there on the big flat screen in pause was what looked to me like a gospel group. I knew right off the bat it was SNL but who the hell were these guys.Beth hit play and there it was. The original gospel influenced version of Last Time. I instantly got that chill up my spine as those mighty voices harmonized so beautifully. I had a split second to think to myself "This could be great" then the camera panned over to Mick and Arcade Fire and within 15 seconds my jaw was on the floor. I don't have to tell you all how great that performance was. Y'all know. Beth chuckled at the look on my face as I watched the videos she found while I was out. After Arcade came Foo Fighters. Unbelievable. About halfway through NNBD I had a sudden sad realization that The Rolling Stones would never sound that good again......except for Mick Jagger. Mick does it again. He pulled it off. I've bored Y'all long enough. Car will be repaired, Beth will Quit feeling guilty. Mick will just keep on keeping on. Damn what a night
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DeanGoodman
While Mick acquitted himself superbly under the circumstances, I feel he blew a wonderful opportunity both to redefine his musical legacy and to open up exciting new possibilities. Lorne Michaels gave him a blank musical canvas, and Mick played it safe by covering some well-known Stones songs with a pair of mainstream rock bands who don't need any more exposure.
The a capella gospel opening to The Last Time offered a tantalizing glimpse into what could have been. Thinking back to cross-genre collaborations with the likes of Peter Tosh, the Chieftains and the Jacksons, I would like to have seen Mick team up with, say, a bold new talent like Janelle Monae and do a James Brown song, or with the Black Keys on a Howlin' Wolf number, or with Mary J. Blige on anything. I'm not saying he needed to pander to millennials by partnering with Lady Gaga or Justin Bieber, but he could have ventured outside of his comfort zone. And what the hell? Mick and the Biebs doing Tom Waits or "Too Much Blood" would have been a cool train wreck. We only live once.
It goes back to Keith's old line from the '86 Musician mag cover story about respecting Mick more if he had covered Mantovani or Sinatra. Speaking of Keith, the collaboration with Jeff Beck on a throwaway ditty Mick wrote on the toilet 5 minutes earlier was absolutely a giant FU. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But I also wonder whether it was inadvertently offensive to Jeff: You dragged me on to SNL for this piece of crap when I could have been fixing my new hot rod?! But Mick should be commended if he had any role in Jeff ditching his traditional sleeveless vest.
I loved everything about Mick's performance but the lyrics to his blues tune were awful. He really needs to stay away from that kind of crap. Can't say it was any worse than Sweet Neo Con. Beck was great of course, and Mick performed it well. Different lyrics would have made a significant difference.