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TimeIs
Grison wrote: "Another point is also that all major events and upcoming tours of the Rolling Stones have been announced in NYC since 1975."
Except 1981, which was announced in Philadelphia (JFK Stadium).
Another interesting point: 1975, 1994, 2002 and 2005 were all annouced in May - but those tours started later the same year.
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Rocky Dijon
One could alternatively argue that following the BIGGER BANG tour wrap-up in 2007 that Mick had had enough of the band. After a couple decades of watching performances suffer from Keith and Ronnie's dependencies and being frustrated with Keith's drunken remarks to the media (one should note that the tiny todger crack was also said verbatim in an interview Keith gave just as A BIGGER BANG was released) making Mick personally and the band professionally look like a joke, Mick decided to focus his energies outside the band.
There was a renewed effort to concentrate on his film & television production ventures and since 2008, he had been working hard on realizing Dave Stewart's international super group concept. SuperHeavy represented Mick's last great chance to establish himself outside the band. THE VERY BEST OF MICK JAGGER had stiffed in 2007 and with it the planned reissues of Mick's remastered solo catalog vanished without a trace. Thoughts of playing a few live gigs to support SHINE A LIGHT in 2008 were scuppered by Ronnie's condition. The decision to sign with UMG a deal based on exploiting the back catalog rather than continuing to present the band as a going concern recording new CD's and touring was significant.
The handling of the UMG bonus discs was also telling. Mick has been in complete control. Keith was humiliated by Mick bringing in Mick Taylor without his knowledge for "Plundered My Soul." An action that placed Don Was uncomfortably in the middle of the former Glimmer Twins. Keith's role was reduced to a virtual sideman on both projects with Charlie contributing more and involved to a greater extent. It appears Keith's biggest contribution to the projects was to give interviews. His guitar overdubs were extremely minimal. He did not have a production role as Mick and Don Was worked together on both projects exclusively.
SuperHeavy represented something forward-thinking unlike the looking back at the Stones catalog. The second the album tanked in the US, Mick (the constant capitalist) turned his back on the project. No second video was shot. No live appearances happened. As it was several members of the band appeared understandably irked at the amount of focus given Mick in interviews. Judging by media coverage one would have thought the album was Mick Jagger and Friends rather than the balanced effort that went into the songwriting. SuperHeavy's lack of commercial viability in the market that matters most to Jagger meant turning attention back to the Stones if he is to have a Last Act in music short of celebrity duets like "T.H.E." / "Go Home" or having songs written about him for audiences that know him only as an icon and do not listen to his work.
So how to revive the Stones? Obviously anniversary book/film/CD set do not require live performances or new material, but they would help maximize sales. The December rehearsal can be seen as Mick having a look in after a couple days to see how consistently a sober Keith can play. The Apollo gig was obviously meant with scrutiny by more than just fans. You can bet Jane Rose posting Keith's rehearsal was not for the benefit of naysayers on a message board. Mick's reaction to Ronnie leaking plans of the May rehearsals can be viewed as fear that if the Stones (read: Keith) did not make the grade, all bets were off. My own bet is on a Stones appearance for SNL. Mick's announcement as host/performer were timed to see if the band can back him or not. If they can't, Mick will play Stones songs solo. This is an anniversary move. If they are solid, the band will play. It's all down to how well a sober Keith can keep it together.
That's my take on 2007-2012 and how it looks for 2013.
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TeddyB1018
With Licks everyone knew they were going to record in Paris but not everyone knew they recorded ten songs with Danny Saber previous to that.
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jamesfdouglas
Rocky D, your post is very well thought-out and articulate. You've taken four paragraphs outlining, step-by-step, Mick's actions which cleary show his lack of taste and desire to work with Keith since walking off the stage in 2007.
... however it's jarring when you immediately post "so, how to revive the Stones? Maybe this or that or an SNL appearance"...
very ironic indeed.
My guess - The Stones ARE ALREADY DONE at this point. Mick won't be joined by any other Stone on SNL - or at any other stage - again.
Well if he really does play on SNL without the Stones. Then....Yeah,it's over.Quote
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jamesfdouglas
Rocky D, your post is very well thought-out and articulate. You've taken four paragraphs outlining, step-by-step, Mick's actions which cleary show his lack of taste and desire to work with Keith since walking off the stage in 2007.
... however it's jarring when you immediately post "so, how to revive the Stones? Maybe this or that or an SNL appearance"...
very ironic indeed.
My guess - The Stones ARE ALREADY DONE at this point. Mick won't be joined by any other Stone on SNL - or at any other stage - again.
I think them's may be fightin' words.
Mick didn't play with The Stones at the White House. It wasn't over after that. Why is SNL any different? Keith didn't play at the Sumlin tribute with Mick. Why wasn't it over after that? Is there a three strikes and you're out rule in effect?Quote
sweetcharmedlife
Well if he really does play on SNL without the Stones. Then....Yeah,it's over.
He didn't spend a week rehearsng with the band before the White House gig. Plus that was a blues tribute show with an all star lineup. Going on SNL with another band after rehearsing with the rest of the band,shows that Mick has no interest in touring with them.Quote
GumbootCloggerooMick didn't play with The Stones at the White House. It wasn't over after that. Why is SNL any different? Keith didn't play at the Sumlin tribute with Mick. Why wasn't it over after that? Is there a three strikes and you're out rule in effect?Quote
sweetcharmedlife
Well if he really does play on SNL without the Stones. Then....Yeah,it's over.
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sweetcharmedlifeHe didn't spend a week rehearsng with the band before the White House gig. Plus that was a blues tribute show with an all star lineup. Going on SNL with another band after rehearsing with the rest of the band,shows that Mick has no interest in touring with them.Quote
GumbootCloggerooMick didn't play with The Stones at the White House. It wasn't over after that. Why is SNL any different? Keith didn't play at the Sumlin tribute with Mick. Why wasn't it over after that? Is there a three strikes and you're out rule in effect?Quote
sweetcharmedlife
Well if he really does play on SNL without the Stones. Then....Yeah,it's over.
Right. It ain't over until it's over. But,it would be very strange.Not sure why they're going through all this mystery anyway. Just tell us if th Stones are playing or not.Quote
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sweetcharmedlifeHe didn't spend a week rehearsng with the band before the White House gig. Plus that was a blues tribute show with an all star lineup. Going on SNL with another band after rehearsing with the rest of the band,shows that Mick has no interest in touring with them.Quote
GumbootCloggerooMick didn't play with The Stones at the White House. It wasn't over after that. Why is SNL any different? Keith didn't play at the Sumlin tribute with Mick. Why wasn't it over after that? Is there a three strikes and you're out rule in effect?Quote
sweetcharmedlife
Well if he really does play on SNL without the Stones. Then....Yeah,it's over.
I wouldn't say it was 'over', but it would be a disappointment, a missed opportunity, and a bit of a head scratcher.
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24FPS
Can this post be closed, until like May 18th?
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24FPS
Can this post be closed, until like May 18th?
No it can't be, because we love speculations
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superrevvy
there was that story about the supposed 20 free "hyde parks" that
would constitute the upcoming tour. that story is easy to find on the net.
the story was by an aussie reporter for murdoch's paper in melbourne,
the herald sun, and i know this reporter is famous for breaking huge
stories (that are almost always incorrect, but somehow he keeps his job,
and so do his editors. hmmm.)
anyway, the story gained enough traction that the stones had to issue a
denial. i've looked hard now for the original denial story and can't seem
to find it. anybody have a link? or at least the name of the Stones
spokesperson who made the denial?
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DandelionPowderman
He achieved a denial from the Stones when he wrote that Charlie quit the band, too...
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superrevvy
Hmmm. Time to resurrect this rumor too i think. 20 big free concerts
(coupled perhaps with 20 EXPENSIVE arena shows)?
20 cities off the top of my head, and would make more sense in 2012
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rogue
Could it be the Stones have been working together little by little over the past few years on a limited and minimal basis waiting to unleash even more vault tracks this year and next as they tour?
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rogue
Could it be the Stones have been working together little by little over the past few years on a limited and minimal basis waiting to unleash even more vault tracks this year and next as they tour?
you wanted some credit too for the SNL stones announcement thread, but that is
gonna be an idea with many many co-creators (none of whom unfortuantely is me)
but the idea of a BUNCH, specifically 50, unreleased tracks emerging soon is all
mine. stated it over 2 years ago and have reiterated it periodically ever since.
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GumbootCloggerooMick didn't play with The Stones at the White House. It wasn't over after that. Why is SNL any different? Keith didn't play at the Sumlin tribute with Mick. Why wasn't it over after that? Is there a three strikes and you're out rule in effect?Quote
sweetcharmedlife
Well if he really does play on SNL without the Stones. Then....Yeah,it's over.