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When did "The Wired Ones" ever assure a 2012 tour? I've read lots of "done deals" but not a word of confirmation from anyone I believe actually has a Connection.
I only know one poster who's been saying that - and he's been saying it since 2009.
bv's been saying it even longer...
Your post speaks to this question of what exactly to visualize for any 50th
shows. Musically, I find it very easy and almost comforting to see a sort of
Ben Waters 1962 Mick Taylor Rhythm Kings kinda show, sort of dignified and
Charlie Watts classy. Which would work superbly if all they're gonna do is
collect presidential medals and work on television...
But could that kind of approach possibly work for a big stadium cash-in?
Maybe with really big screens and superb sound and not much else in the
way of staging?
He played on Watching The River Flow, although he probably wasn´t in the same room as everyone
whataya mean, Watson? I been SuperRevvy all my life.
So anyway, since we're being genial, are you surprised at the huge success of
T.H.E.? And the crushing demand for the 500 $25 tickets to see superstar genius
Dave Stewart at the Troubadour?
Seriously, dude, to return to the subject at hand, if anyone can detective what
the Stones are up to, it has to be you. So, how far you think they're gonna go down
the more friendly and approachable ABCD Rhythm Kings road, if at all? Or will it
be more full-on stadium bombast?
Personally I'm fine with it either way. How about you?
As you can tell, I'm your biggest fan ever. Love, SR
It's like a broken clock being right twice a day. Keep saying it's a "done deal" for enough years and eventually these folks will be proven right.
is there no penalty at all for being wrong? seems like maybe these ppl should be made an example of - some kinda public humiliation...i'll work up some ideas....
Aside from that being true, there have been plans since 2007 to do some shows or even some touring. For various reasons, they just never came off (my own guess being either Patti Hansen's illness (which wasnt made public at the time) and/or Ronnie's mad 'lost weekend' around 2009). The band even discussed doing shows around the Exile reissue last year.
I just get the impression they cant be motivated if it means doing anything on a small scale. And if theyre going to feel the need to rehearse for a few weeks to do a couple of shows, the logic seems to be that its not worth the effort so they either do a big tour or nothing at all.
Seriously, StonesTod, 71Tele, you're knocking over your own straw horses. If
you take out the overly charged phrase "done deal", which I apologize for
carelessly using, and replace it with something along the lines of "somewhat
confident expectations expressed by Gazza and other well-regarded sources that
at least some 50th anniversary shows will occur", the important question would
still stand...
Has that confidence increased or decreased or stayed the same as a result
of reports from the jam session? Its a simple enough question, and carries
none of the silly baggage you are piling onto it.
kinda like i've been making plans the past few years to retire on my millions and tour the world via private yacht. for some reason these plans always seem to run into a snag....
None needed! I DID say that!
Re: your other question :
Hard to say, as we dont know for sure what happened when (and after) the band got together two weeks ago. Any feedback I heard suggested things went well, however. If thats the case, it can only be a plus.
From what I was told in September, they'd agreed to tour next year. As for the finer details - where, when, on what scale, and for how long, etc - I don't know. I guess that has still to be ironed out.
I cant honestly imagine it'll NOT involve stadiums again, though.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-22 19:01 by Gazza.
but they've been wrong for years now...this deserves punishment no matter what the future holds for the stones...
But what if its substantially not the same act, but a more music-centric Stones,
featuring Wyman and Taylor too and Ben Waters possibly?
Yeah, well, I question it too, and specifically questioned it to the esteemed
Mr. Maynard earlier...
As I said, its easy for me to visualize/audiolize what such a Stones might
sound like (after all, we have Watching the River Flow and ABCD and the
Rhythm Kings and various early versions of the Stones to guide us), it is
much harder to imagine just how to present that version of the Stones in
a stadium, given the Bang/360 expectations of SPECTACLE...
Maybe you just do it! Big screens, good sound, limited staging, limited
amount of shows, officially the farewell... Maybe you just do it, spectacle be
damned.
Not predicting anything. Just thinking out loud.
How about being forced to listen to Superheavy and Monkey Grip for about 48 hours straight? Would that be punishment enough?
good ol' monkey grip, monkey grip? i like that one...
LOL for sure just like the movie "If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium" if you are old enough to remember that movie
Exactly, it's like being on the witness stand in court and asked StonesTod where were you on the evening of 26th July 1977?
havin' a few beers with mick to celebrate his 34th...i didn't wanna, but he insisted...
Sounds brilliant, but it wont make anywhere near the same amount of money.
And thats what matters most. Unfortunately.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
WilliamPatrickMaynard
()
Date: December 21, 2011 20:10
Quote
superrevvy
I am hypothetically the publisher of the Sun UK. I have not heard back from my
informed sources, so I am ready to scream "Print!" into the phone. The headline:
"The Wired Ones at IORR can no longer assure a Stones 50th anniversary tour!"
The clock ticks away mercilessly towards my deadline...
Damn, yellow journalism is fun!
When did "The Wired Ones" ever assure a 2012 tour? I've read lots of "done deals" but not a word of confirmation from anyone I believe actually has a Connection.
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: December 21, 2011 20:43
Quote
superrevvy
There was a time, a month or so ago, when I was finding it impossible to
visualize what these 50th shows might be like, given all the turmoil, internal and
external. But when those in the know assured me that 50th shows were a "done
deal" I relaxed and tried to get into a Taylor Wyman kind of mood, cooperative
soul that I am.
But are the wired ones amongst us now re-hedging? Must I again tax my
ridiculoulsy overtaxed brain to visualize the un-visualizeable? Or can I still
relax knowing that 50th shows are indeed on their way for sure barring illness
or death?
I only know one poster who's been saying that - and he's been saying it since 2009.
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: December 21, 2011 21:15
Quote
GazzaQuote
superrevvy
There was a time, a month or so ago, when I was finding it impossible to
visualize what these 50th shows might be like, given all the turmoil, internal and
external. But when those in the know assured me that 50th shows were a "done
deal" I relaxed and tried to get into a Taylor Wyman kind of mood, cooperative
soul that I am.
But are the wired ones amongst us now re-hedging? Must I again tax my
ridiculoulsy overtaxed brain to visualize the un-visualizeable? Or can I still
relax knowing that 50th shows are indeed on their way for sure barring illness
or death?
I only know one poster who's been saying that - and he's been saying it since 2009.
bv's been saying it even longer...
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
thecitadel
()
Date: December 21, 2011 21:59
This is the first time that Bill has played with the rest of the Stones (especially Mick and Keith) in 20 years...and the first time Mick, Keith, Ronnie and Charlie have played together for over 4 years.
So was this:
- " hey its been 50 years, lets jam together and tell the world before we jam to set the rumour mill running..."
- "we'll be touring next year with Bill as special guest, so we'll test that we can work together before we sign the contracts..."
- "we are do a special one off secret gig (original band except for Brian) on our 50th anniversary, so we better do a rehearsal now..."
- " we'll have a bit of fun and video it for the 50th anniversary (5x50) DVD..."
answers on a postcard please!
So was this:
- " hey its been 50 years, lets jam together and tell the world before we jam to set the rumour mill running..."
- "we'll be touring next year with Bill as special guest, so we'll test that we can work together before we sign the contracts..."
- "we are do a special one off secret gig (original band except for Brian) on our 50th anniversary, so we better do a rehearsal now..."
- " we'll have a bit of fun and video it for the 50th anniversary (5x50) DVD..."
answers on a postcard please!
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: December 22, 2011 07:20
Quote
thecitadel
So was this:
- " hey its been 50 years, lets jam together and tell the world before we jam to set the rumour mill running..."
- "we'll be touring next year with Bill as special guest, so we'll test that we can work together before we sign the contracts..."
- "we are do a special one off secret gig (original band except for Brian) on our 50th anniversary, so we better do a rehearsal now..."
- " we'll have a bit of fun and video it for the 50th anniversary (5x50) DVD..."
Your post speaks to this question of what exactly to visualize for any 50th
shows. Musically, I find it very easy and almost comforting to see a sort of
Ben Waters 1962 Mick Taylor Rhythm Kings kinda show, sort of dignified and
Charlie Watts classy. Which would work superbly if all they're gonna do is
collect presidential medals and work on television...
But could that kind of approach possibly work for a big stadium cash-in?
Maybe with really big screens and superb sound and not much else in the
way of staging?
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: December 22, 2011 13:54
Quote
thecitadel
This is the first time that Bill has played with the rest of the Stones (especially Mick and Keith) in 20 years...and the first time Mick, Keith, Ronnie and Charlie have played together for over 4 years.
So was this:
- " hey its been 50 years, lets jam together and tell the world before we jam to set the rumour mill running..."
- "we'll be touring next year with Bill as special guest, so we'll test that we can work together before we sign the contracts..."
- "we are do a special one off secret gig (original band except for Brian) on our 50th anniversary, so we better do a rehearsal now..."
- " we'll have a bit of fun and video it for the 50th anniversary (5x50) DVD..."
answers on a postcard please!
He played on Watching The River Flow, although he probably wasn´t in the same room as everyone
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: December 22, 2011 14:38
Certainly wasnt in the same room with Jagger and wasnt even in the same continent as Richards!
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
WilliamPatrickMaynard
()
Date: December 22, 2011 16:22
Quote
superrevvy
Your post speaks to this question of what exactly to visualize for any 50th
shows. Musically, I find it very easy and almost comforting to see a sort of
Ben Waters 1962 Mick Taylor Rhythm Kings kinda show, sort of dignified and
Charlie Watts classy. Which would work superbly if all they're gonna do is
collect presidential medals and work on television...
quote]
Hey, Jar-Jar, what's with the new identity?
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: December 22, 2011 16:52
Quote
WilliamPatrickMaynard
what's with the new identity?
whataya mean, Watson? I been SuperRevvy all my life.
So anyway, since we're being genial, are you surprised at the huge success of
T.H.E.? And the crushing demand for the 500 $25 tickets to see superstar genius
Dave Stewart at the Troubadour?
Seriously, dude, to return to the subject at hand, if anyone can detective what
the Stones are up to, it has to be you. So, how far you think they're gonna go down
the more friendly and approachable ABCD Rhythm Kings road, if at all? Or will it
be more full-on stadium bombast?
Personally I'm fine with it either way. How about you?
As you can tell, I'm your biggest fan ever. Love, SR
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: December 22, 2011 18:24
Quote
StonesTodQuote
GazzaQuote
superrevvy
There was a time, a month or so ago, when I was finding it impossible to
visualize what these 50th shows might be like, given all the turmoil, internal and
external. But when those in the know assured me that 50th shows were a "done
deal" I relaxed and tried to get into a Taylor Wyman kind of mood, cooperative
soul that I am.
But are the wired ones amongst us now re-hedging? Must I again tax my
ridiculoulsy overtaxed brain to visualize the un-visualizeable? Or can I still
relax knowing that 50th shows are indeed on their way for sure barring illness
or death?
I only know one poster who's been saying that - and he's been saying it since 2009.
bv's been saying it even longer...
It's like a broken clock being right twice a day. Keep saying it's a "done deal" for enough years and eventually these folks will be proven right.
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: December 22, 2011 18:30
Quote
71TeleQuote
StonesTodQuote
GazzaQuote
superrevvy
There was a time, a month or so ago, when I was finding it impossible to
visualize what these 50th shows might be like, given all the turmoil, internal and
external. But when those in the know assured me that 50th shows were a "done
deal" I relaxed and tried to get into a Taylor Wyman kind of mood, cooperative
soul that I am.
But are the wired ones amongst us now re-hedging? Must I again tax my
ridiculoulsy overtaxed brain to visualize the un-visualizeable? Or can I still
relax knowing that 50th shows are indeed on their way for sure barring illness
or death?
I only know one poster who's been saying that - and he's been saying it since 2009.
bv's been saying it even longer...
It's like a broken clock being right twice a day. Keep saying it's a "done deal" for enough years and eventually these folks will be proven right.
is there no penalty at all for being wrong? seems like maybe these ppl should be made an example of - some kinda public humiliation...i'll work up some ideas....
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: December 22, 2011 18:50
Quote
71Tele
[It's like a broken clock being right twice a day. Keep saying it's a "done deal" for enough years and eventually these folks will be proven right.
Aside from that being true, there have been plans since 2007 to do some shows or even some touring. For various reasons, they just never came off (my own guess being either Patti Hansen's illness (which wasnt made public at the time) and/or Ronnie's mad 'lost weekend' around 2009). The band even discussed doing shows around the Exile reissue last year.
I just get the impression they cant be motivated if it means doing anything on a small scale. And if theyre going to feel the need to rehearse for a few weeks to do a couple of shows, the logic seems to be that its not worth the effort so they either do a big tour or nothing at all.
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: December 22, 2011 18:50
Quote
Gazza
>There was a time, a month or so ago, when I was finding it impossible to
>visualize what these 50th shows might be like, given all the turmoil, internal and
>external. But when those in the know assured me that 50th shows were a "done
>deal" I relaxed and tried to get into a Taylor Wyman kind of mood, cooperative
>soul that I am.
I only know one poster who's been saying that - and he's been saying it since 2009.
Seriously, StonesTod, 71Tele, you're knocking over your own straw horses. If
you take out the overly charged phrase "done deal", which I apologize for
carelessly using, and replace it with something along the lines of "somewhat
confident expectations expressed by Gazza and other well-regarded sources that
at least some 50th anniversary shows will occur", the important question would
still stand...
Has that confidence increased or decreased or stayed the same as a result
of reports from the jam session? Its a simple enough question, and carries
none of the silly baggage you are piling onto it.
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: December 22, 2011 18:52
And if I am wrong that Gazza had earlier expressed some confidence that shows
would occur, I apologize for that too.
would occur, I apologize for that too.
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: December 22, 2011 18:56
Quote
GazzaQuote
71Tele
[It's like a broken clock being right twice a day. Keep saying it's a "done deal" for enough years and eventually these folks will be proven right.
Aside from that being true, there have been plans since 2007 to do some shows or even some touring.
kinda like i've been making plans the past few years to retire on my millions and tour the world via private yacht. for some reason these plans always seem to run into a snag....
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: December 22, 2011 18:58
Quote
superrevvy
And if I am wrong that Gazza had earlier expressed some confidence that shows
would occur, I apologize for that too.
None needed! I DID say that!
Re: your other question :
Hard to say, as we dont know for sure what happened when (and after) the band got together two weeks ago. Any feedback I heard suggested things went well, however. If thats the case, it can only be a plus.
From what I was told in September, they'd agreed to tour next year. As for the finer details - where, when, on what scale, and for how long, etc - I don't know. I guess that has still to be ironed out.
I cant honestly imagine it'll NOT involve stadiums again, though.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-22 19:01 by Gazza.
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
andrewt
()
Date: December 22, 2011 19:00
The penalty for being wrong would be the end of the Stones. That's a pretty stiff penalty if you ask me.
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: December 22, 2011 19:01
Quote
andrewt
The penalty for being wrong would be the end of the Stones. That's a pretty stiff penalty if you ask me.
but they've been wrong for years now...this deserves punishment no matter what the future holds for the stones...
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
sweetcharmedlife
()
Date: December 22, 2011 19:02
Ughh. If that's case. Don't bother fellas. Would love to see them show some imagination,rather than trot out the same tired act again. I'll save my money for Bruce.Quote
Gazza
I cant honestly imagine it'll NOT involve stadiums again, though.
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: December 22, 2011 19:16
Quote
sweetcharmedlifeUghh. If that's case. Don't bother fellas. Would love to see them show some imagination,rather than trot out the same tired act again.Quote
Gazza
I cant honestly imagine it'll NOT involve stadiums again, though.
But what if its substantially not the same act, but a more music-centric Stones,
featuring Wyman and Taylor too and Ben Waters possibly?
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
sweetcharmedlife
()
Date: December 22, 2011 19:17
Dream on REv.Quote
superrevvyQuote
sweetcharmedlifeUghh. If that's case. Don't bother fellas. Would love to see them show some imagination,rather than trot out the same tired act again.Quote
Gazza
I cant honestly imagine it'll NOT involve stadiums again, though.
But what if its substantially not the same act, but a more music-centric Stones,
featuring Wyman and Taylor too and Ben Waters possibly?
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: December 22, 2011 19:39
Quote
sweetcharmedlifeDream on .Quote
superrevvyQuote
sweetcharmedlifeUghh. If that's case. Don't bother fellas. Would love to see them show some imagination,rather than trot out the same tired act again.Quote
Gazza
I cant honestly imagine it'll NOT involve stadiums again, though.
But what if its substantially not the same act, but a more music-centric Stones,
featuring Wyman and Taylor too and Ben Waters possibly?
Yeah, well, I question it too, and specifically questioned it to the esteemed
Mr. Maynard earlier...
As I said, its easy for me to visualize/audiolize what such a Stones might
sound like (after all, we have Watching the River Flow and ABCD and the
Rhythm Kings and various early versions of the Stones to guide us), it is
much harder to imagine just how to present that version of the Stones in
a stadium, given the Bang/360 expectations of SPECTACLE...
Maybe you just do it! Big screens, good sound, limited staging, limited
amount of shows, officially the farewell... Maybe you just do it, spectacle be
damned.
Not predicting anything. Just thinking out loud.
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: December 22, 2011 19:42
Quote
StonesTodQuote
andrewt
The penalty for being wrong would be the end of the Stones. That's a pretty stiff penalty if you ask me.
but they've been wrong for years now...this deserves punishment no matter what the future holds for the stones...
How about being forced to listen to Superheavy and Monkey Grip for about 48 hours straight? Would that be punishment enough?
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: December 22, 2011 19:57
Quote
71TeleQuote
StonesTodQuote
andrewt
The penalty for being wrong would be the end of the Stones. That's a pretty stiff penalty if you ask me.
but they've been wrong for years now...this deserves punishment no matter what the future holds for the stones...
How about being forced to listen to Superheavy and Monkey Grip for about 48 hours straight? Would that be punishment enough?
good ol' monkey grip, monkey grip? i like that one...
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
Sam Spade
()
Date: December 22, 2011 19:57
Quote
sweetcharmedlifeI'm sure they have to be told what city they're in on any given night.Quote
Sam SpadeQuote
StonesTodQuote
Sam SpadeQuote
StonesTodQuote
Gazza
The session took place from December 6th
it can't just be coincidental that the session started on the 42nd anniversary of altamont. i think the stones finally decided to right that wrong and they probably made a very special altamont-oriented recording, whose proceeds will go to the hell's angels and others who were negatively impacted on that infamous night.
I doubt 42 years later Mick, Keith or Charlie remembers the date Altamont took place. Even in '69 Mick had to be reminded of the date as seen here at 3:58.
then it can't just be coincidental that neither mick nor charlie nor keith remembers the altamont date.
One would doubt they keep track of dates in their own tour history. unless they were reminded by an employee of the dates.
LOL for sure just like the movie "If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium" if you are old enough to remember that movie
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
Sam Spade
()
Date: December 22, 2011 20:02
Quote
mtaylorI have a hard time remembering my wedding day - remembering the day of Altamont - one out of > 2.000 conserts!!!Quote
Sam SpadeQuote
StonesTodQuote
Sam SpadeQuote
StonesTodQuote
Gazza
The session took place from December 6th
it can't just be coincidental that the session started on the 42nd anniversary of altamont. i think the stones finally decided to right that wrong and they probably made a very special altamont-oriented recording, whose proceeds will go to the hell's angels and others who were negatively impacted on that infamous night.
I doubt 42 years later Mick, Keith or Charlie remembers the date Altamont took place. Even in '69 Mick had to be reminded of the date as seen here at 3:58.
then it can't just be coincidental that neither mick nor charlie nor keith remembers the altamont date.
One would doubt they keep track of dates in their own tour history. unless they were reminded by an employee of the dates.
Exactly, it's like being on the witness stand in court and asked StonesTod where were you on the evening of 26th July 1977?
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
mtaylor
()
Date: December 22, 2011 20:22
Maybe they are suffering of a somehow autist syndrom - remembering all days events in the past ;o)Quote
Sam SpadeQuote
mtaylorI have a hard time remembering my wedding day - remembering the day of Altamont - one out of > 2.000 conserts!!!Quote
Sam SpadeQuote
StonesTodQuote
Sam SpadeQuote
StonesTodQuote
Gazza
The session took place from December 6th
it can't just be coincidental that the session started on the 42nd anniversary of altamont. i think the stones finally decided to right that wrong and they probably made a very special altamont-oriented recording, whose proceeds will go to the hell's angels and others who were negatively impacted on that infamous night.
I doubt 42 years later Mick, Keith or Charlie remembers the date Altamont took place. Even in '69 Mick had to be reminded of the date as seen here at 3:58.
then it can't just be coincidental that neither mick nor charlie nor keith remembers the altamont date.
One would doubt they keep track of dates in their own tour history. unless they were reminded by an employee of the dates.
Exactly, it's like being on the witness stand in court and asked StonesTod where were you on the evening of 26th July 1977?
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
WilliamPatrickMaynard
()
Date: December 22, 2011 20:52
I'm still playing it safe saying we're jumping to conclusions thinking an informal jam session means a tour is likely. It's too soon to know one way or the other which way Jagger is leaning.
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: December 22, 2011 21:00
Quote
Sam SpadeQuote
mtaylorI have a hard time remembering my wedding day - remembering the day of Altamont - one out of > 2.000 conserts!!!Quote
Sam SpadeQuote
StonesTodQuote
Sam SpadeQuote
StonesTodQuote
Gazza
The session took place from December 6th
it can't just be coincidental that the session started on the 42nd anniversary of altamont. i think the stones finally decided to right that wrong and they probably made a very special altamont-oriented recording, whose proceeds will go to the hell's angels and others who were negatively impacted on that infamous night.
I doubt 42 years later Mick, Keith or Charlie remembers the date Altamont took place. Even in '69 Mick had to be reminded of the date as seen here at 3:58.
then it can't just be coincidental that neither mick nor charlie nor keith remembers the altamont date.
One would doubt they keep track of dates in their own tour history. unless they were reminded by an employee of the dates.
Exactly, it's like being on the witness stand in court and asked StonesTod where were you on the evening of 26th July 1977?
havin' a few beers with mick to celebrate his 34th...i didn't wanna, but he insisted...
Re: Stones to jam in studio this month
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: December 22, 2011 22:34
Quote
superrevvyQuote
sweetcharmedlifeUghh. If that's case. Don't bother fellas. Would love to see them show some imagination,rather than trot out the same tired act again.Quote
Gazza
I cant honestly imagine it'll NOT involve stadiums again, though.
But what if its substantially not the same act, but a more music-centric Stones,
featuring Wyman and Taylor too and Ben Waters possibly?
Sounds brilliant, but it wont make anywhere near the same amount of money.
And thats what matters most. Unfortunately.
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