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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteProfessorWolf imagine what steel wheels or voodoo lounge would have been like if mick and keith saved the best songs off there respective solo for the stones albums "Steel Wheels" is good enough without "help" from any solo tunes - if I could have changed anything I would have replaced "Blinded By Love" (which simply doesn't do it for me just like "I
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteDandelionPowderman I find Ronnie's playing on Hot Stuff excellent. Fantastic version, too. Saying that he is «funbling through» the track isn't correct. I suspect you rather mean that you don't like his style. Still scratching my head trying to find out what's not to like with this version - if one likes this song at all, that is. If that's not the case, sure Ro
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
Quotemicktayloryears I'd been waiting for this album for decades... I downloaded it onto my itunes and was so happy to finally be able to hear Luxury and other stuff from the mid-seventies... but, as usual, Ron Flub-Solo Wood killed my ears... during Hot Stuff he fumbles through, literally, the first two notes, and it's downhill from there... for me it's a very flawed recording,
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
Quoteds1984 Quoteretired_dog Quoteds1984 Quoteretired_dog So where are we now with our excursions into the wide land of copyrights, often labelled as "minefield" because not seldom even high-profile lawyers come to different interpretations of certain rulings? As we're all experts now after studying the law texts I'd like to come back to the question(s) that started this an
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteDoxa It would be ironical if a dude recording a Pink Floyd show illegally 50 years ago would now sue the band for using illegally his recording... Makes me wonder what actually is the legal status of an illegal recording. I suppose the crime in question is not something that, say, Pink Floyd could sue someone for committing. Especially after 50 years. They can say it was not allowed to re
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteIrix A question would be: are these really recordings by the audience or had Pink Floyd commissioned someone else with the recordings which were then illegally copied? Of course. I don't have a complete overview, but over there at Yeeshkul! they often have quite detailed information about which taper recorded what, and it doesn't look like a lot of these tapes were actually done
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
Quoteslewan Quoteretired_dog Now think about this: Whatever Pink Floyd have "released" so far in their copyright extension efforts of the past two years, are (at least almost) entirely amateur recordings of their shows, made by people from the audience, taken from circulating bootlegs. Do you think Pink Floyd contacted the people who did the original recordings to reach release agr
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
Quoteds1984 Quoteretired_dog So where are we now with our excursions into the wide land of copyrights, often labelled as "minefield" because not seldom even high-profile lawyers come to different interpretations of certain rulings? As we're all experts now after studying the law texts I'd like to come back to the question(s) that started this and the according Pink Floyd th
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
So where are we now with our excursions into the wide land of copyrights, often labelled as "minefield" because not seldom even high-profile lawyers come to different interpretations of certain rulings? As we're all experts now after studying the law texts I'd like to come back to the question(s) that started this and the according Pink Floyd thread: Why did Pink Floyd r
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteRockman Yep ...been thinkin the same .,... I have asked, no, begged, no, actually prayed a few messages before: "What about actually listening to the final result before start talking doom?" But, obviously, no luck. Some "hardcore fans" here can't seem to be able to live without regular bitching...
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteIrix Quoteds1984 From that perspective I guess that any unpublished recording made in 1972 will enter the public domain in 2023. Maybe when you apply the UK copyright. But the EU has their own copyright - - with own 70 & 50 years rules. Copyright lengths in other countries of the world: Wikipedia. But as an EU member state, the UK had to implement the EU copyright into their na
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteIrix QuoteGasLightStreet The Stones don't own the copyrights. That's it. It's that simple. And what are then Rolling Stones Records, Musidor and the whole Promogroup (with many subsidiaries) for? Irix, don't worry, because as far as I can remember, threads dealing with copyrights usually end like this - once one thinks that everything's cleared and explained,
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteRocky Dijon Truth is we don't know for sure there are multiple outside producers. Carl Falk did some work but that could just be consulting and might not result in any acknowledgement. Sure, but even if it was the case, it's nothing we should be afraid of right now because as always the proof is in the pudding and so far, we had no chance to listen to the album yet!
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
Quoteds1984 The reason why ABCKO had to use the copyright extension and why the Rolling Stones just do not need to do so : If a sound recording, after the fiftieth anniversary of its first publication, is not being made available in sufficient quantity, both in physical format and online (i.e. to meet the demand from consumers) then, under the legislation, any musician who has transferred the
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4 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
Quoteslewan Quoteretired_dog QuoteIrix Quoteslewan it just means that they still have the copyright Which copyright is actually applicable? It's a performance in the United States, the Stones are still a band from UK, but their company has its base in the Netherlands. What counts now? Copyrights and neighboring rights (rights to recordings, performers rights, broadcasting rights etc
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteHairball Yes I was referring specifically to guest artists, and it might be the only way to get the album done, but I never said that was a good idea. And now there's talk of multiple producers...too many cooks in the kitchen.... So far, I can't see that any guest artists are actually confirmed. And the notion that "it might be the only way to get the album done" is ju
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteIrix Quoteslewan it just means that they still have the copyright Which copyright is actually applicable? It's a performance in the United States, the Stones are still a band from UK, but their company has its base in the Netherlands. What counts now? Copyrights and neighboring rights (rights to recordings, performers rights, broadcasting rights etc.) are always territorial = v
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteHairball Hope so. I really, really hope that Charlie's on the new album - if only that it would make you happy (at least for a little while...)!
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteDoxa QuoteWhale Quoteslewan Bob Dylan has done this since 2012… everything that hasn't been commercially used becomes public domain after 50 years (= 50 years after the end of the year of the recording). So if on Jan 1st 2023 they release a 1792 show it's basically without copyright and they earn nothing on it? If I have understood it right, it is not the songs or the perfo
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteMathijs QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteDoxa QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteStonesfan2146 I personally love the 1994 version with all the different horn sections added. Way better than 2002 imo. Of course the 1976 versions are awesome too. The playing is good, and the horns are cool, but I don't like that they omitted the verses. Never heard that before, thanks! I liked it. Sound
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteIrix QuoteTopi Bill has since stopped responding. Now you know why ('easier way'). Well, you can only take so much "Love your music, man!" - letters a day until it gets redundant and too boring to answer...
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteIrix QuoteTopi There's an easier way to do that. Probably with less respect for the families' privacy if you would send it directly to Dolton. Now the Dolton post office gets flooded, Irix...
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteRocky Dijon Yes, can you imagine? It would be like tacking High Wire and Sex Drive on the end of Flashpoint or mixing up Don't Stop, Keys to Your Love, Losing My Touch, and Stealing My Heart on the second half of 40 Licks or tossing Doom and Gloom and One More Shot randomly on the second half of Grrr. I can't imagine it happening, as the Furry One declared, it's a terrible rum
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteIrix Quoteretired_dog As soon as they notice that it's fanmail, it will land in the (physical or digital) dustbin. Interesting .... I thought this would immediately be the case with generic marketing-ad (hence the NMI-list). But how got fans then Bill's & Charlie's autographs by mail - ? Obviously not through Promotone... Bill was actually very responsive if you
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteIrix QuoteNikkei So what are you supposed to do then? Just try it - maybe this above described NMI-list is similar to the private in Germany. When you write on the letter & envelope by hand, draw a nice T&L-logo on it and mark it as fan-mail, then it might get read by Musidor. Just a waste of time & effort. As soon as they notice that it's fanmail, it will land
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteDandelionPowderman Ah! I didn't listen through the LYL-version. All good, then Puuuuh - and I just thought you discovered a hidden extended dance mix of Crackin' Up on an album that I admittedly don't listen to all too much anymore these days...
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteDoxa Quotejohnh "Have you seen..... " is a great tune but that 80s Jagger band is awful. Disagree. I think it is an alright creative 80's style re-interptetation, not like a typical nostalgic 'I hope this is enough close to the original that your grandmama recognizes it and is not hurt by it'. Mick wasn't into pure nostalgia yet then. To be true, this i
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
Quotesenecastj Full show exists in quality you heard from out of control. It's a mix of 6 iem feeds of I recall. I will not be releasing for a variety of reasons. Quite understandable - I wouldn't want to make this effort and see others exploiting the fruits, too...
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
Quotefrankotero Personally I would like to see a release every 6 weeks during the 60th anniversary. You're definitely onto something. So far, I find their 60th Anniversary release schedule a bit underwhelming, the fabulous El Mocambo release notwithstanding. I mean, when, if not now, is the right time to come up with live concerts and studio outtakes archive releases from their glory first
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5 ***months ***ago
retired_dog
QuoteMore Hot Rocks Quoteretired_dog Quoteexilestones UPGRADE! AWESOME! John Mayer Respectable included - a dream come true!!! Great performance! Uhmmmm...no. Imo just some overblown, overexcited, faceless guitar wiggle-diddle that does not fit the song at all. Ronnie's barely better on this one. Keith reminds us how it should be done. Mayer fits the Stones just like Jeff Beck: Zero
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