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keefriff99Keep in mind how many more white people there are in America:Quote
lem motlow
Bring the fact checkers in-how many police shooting of minorities compared to others? Stats are there.use a study from the FBI or a law studies center.avoid the media.
[www.washingtonpost.com]
There are plenty of stats in this article to support some of your arguments too.
I certainly didn't see sustained outrage commensurate with the level of tragedy. Mostly "Eh, that sucks but shit happens" and then people move on to the next thing.Quote
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keefriff99Not a straw man at all.Quote
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wonderboy
Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.
Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.
Oh Boy. Here we go.
Who doesn't think that blacks lives matter? That is just something blacks and liberals claim and then protest against their straw man.
Unarmed black people are shot dead by the cops, including a 12 year old boy, and no one cares. A video of a cop shooting a black person in the back execution-style was needed to get a cop arrested and jailed. Didn't see much outrage over it though. Just some "Tsk tsk...shame. Oh, let's see what's on TV now."
A football player kneels during the Anthem and white people go berserk en masse and stop watching football. Football...America's real religion.
That's what gets white peoples' hackles up. Not dead black people, but a living uppity black person. Their priorities are crystal clear.
That is you saying nobody cared about Rice being killed. Then you protest that nobody cared. Plenty of people cared. Obviously it's a complicated issue when dealing with police. How do you know it wasn't a real gun? Because you have hindsight that the cops do not have. How do you know that Rice was 12? Because you have hindsight that the cops did not have.
It was tragic for sure and I have never heard anyone deny that. Whites have been killed for carry toy guns also. I red that it has happened 30 times in recent years and 19 of the victims were white.
I am not impressed with your unarmed argument. Michael Brown fo one was unarmed but he tried to gr4ab a cops gun and then charged at him again. Please tell me that the same could not have easily happened to a white guy because it happens all the time to white guys.
You seriously did not see much outrage over the Walter Scott killing? Now you are just saying things. When someone wants to claim racism they are an irresistible force. There is no stopping them. Did you see a ton of outrage over any white people killed by cops recently? Which ones. I have seen none that have even come close to numerous killings of black people recently.
Noooo, OF COURSE you don't listen to Rupert Murdoch!Quote
lem motlow
I don't have an arguement-I read case studies.did you just give me a link to the WAPO?? Why not just give out a contact number for the democratic party headquarters.and no, I don't listen to Rupert Murdochs bullshit either.
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keefriff99No, never said that. I simply said that inner city violence is such a mundane fact of life in America that it rarely gets the attention it deserves.Quote
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keefriff99
Yes, blacks commit crimes at higher rates than whites. Pointing that out dispassionately isn't racist, but using it as a cudgel to portray blacks as out-of-control savages does.
[ucr.fbi.gov]
Notice that white people tend to murder other white people, and black people tend to murder other black people.
As long as the violence is contained to neighborhoods of color, it doesn't register as news. No one really cares about inner city violence in America. We claim we do, but we really don't. Otherwise we would have done something about it by now.
But again, crime rates have decreased steadily during the last two decades and are very low compared to the '80s and early '90s. Our cities aren't "war zones" save for some localized inner city communities in several large cities where, again, people simply don't care enough to do anything about.
So let me see if i have got this right.
As long as whites are killing whites and blacks are killing blacks, its not news worthy, so it doesn't really matter so much, and we don't really care ?
If this is progress we are all @#$%&.
The whole world has gone mad.
White on white violence does get more attention because of ingrained racial bias: it's salacious and tends to be "evening news" worthy, particularly in suburban or rural communities where it's not as frequent.
Because we're AMERICA. @#$%& you. That's why.Quote
DandelionPowderman
Why do they play the anthem when two American teams play, btw?
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lem motlow
Bring the fact checkers in-how many police shooting of minorities compared to others? Stats are there.use a study from the FBI or a law studies center.avoid the media.
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keefriff99I certainly didn't see sustained outrage commensurate with the level of tragedy. Mostly "Eh, that sucks but shit happens" and then people move on to the next thing.Quote
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keefriff99Not a straw man at all.Quote
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wonderboy
Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.
Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.
Oh Boy. Here we go.
Who doesn't think that blacks lives matter? That is just something blacks and liberals claim and then protest against their straw man.
Unarmed black people are shot dead by the cops, including a 12 year old boy, and no one cares. A video of a cop shooting a black person in the back execution-style was needed to get a cop arrested and jailed. Didn't see much outrage over it though. Just some "Tsk tsk...shame. Oh, let's see what's on TV now."
A football player kneels during the Anthem and white people go berserk en masse and stop watching football. Football...America's real religion.
That's what gets white peoples' hackles up. Not dead black people, but a living uppity black person. Their priorities are crystal clear.
That is you saying nobody cared about Rice being killed. Then you protest that nobody cared. Plenty of people cared. Obviously it's a complicated issue when dealing with police. How do you know it wasn't a real gun? Because you have hindsight that the cops do not have. How do you know that Rice was 12? Because you have hindsight that the cops did not have.
It was tragic for sure and I have never heard anyone deny that. Whites have been killed for carry toy guns also. I red that it has happened 30 times in recent years and 19 of the victims were white.
I am not impressed with your unarmed argument. Michael Brown fo one was unarmed but he tried to gr4ab a cops gun and then charged at him again. Please tell me that the same could not have easily happened to a white guy because it happens all the time to white guys.
You seriously did not see much outrage over the Walter Scott killing? Now you are just saying things. When someone wants to claim racism they are an irresistible force. There is no stopping them. Did you see a ton of outrage over any white people killed by cops recently? Which ones. I have seen none that have even come close to numerous killings of black people recently.
I've seen much more loud and sustained outrage (not to mention media coverage) over this bogus Anthem controversy than any police shooting. That's telling.
It also depends on how it's covered.Quote
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keefriff99No, never said that. I simply said that inner city violence is such a mundane fact of life in America that it rarely gets the attention it deserves.Quote
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keefriff99
Yes, blacks commit crimes at higher rates than whites. Pointing that out dispassionately isn't racist, but using it as a cudgel to portray blacks as out-of-control savages does.
[ucr.fbi.gov]
Notice that white people tend to murder other white people, and black people tend to murder other black people.
As long as the violence is contained to neighborhoods of color, it doesn't register as news. No one really cares about inner city violence in America. We claim we do, but we really don't. Otherwise we would have done something about it by now.
But again, crime rates have decreased steadily during the last two decades and are very low compared to the '80s and early '90s. Our cities aren't "war zones" save for some localized inner city communities in several large cities where, again, people simply don't care enough to do anything about.
So let me see if i have got this right.
As long as whites are killing whites and blacks are killing blacks, its not news worthy, so it doesn't really matter so much, and we don't really care ?
If this is progress we are all @#$%&.
The whole world has gone mad.
White on white violence does get more attention because of ingrained racial bias: it's salacious and tends to be "evening news" worthy, particularly in suburban or rural communities where it's not as frequent.
THis is another example of not being able to win when it comes to race. In case you are not aware many blacks think that white's obsess over black and black crime and that the media shows way too much or it. That think it's a sign of racism. But here you are saying the opposite a sign or racism. You can't win. It's an irresistible force.
You cant clean up black cities using things like stop and frisk because more blacks would end up in jail and that would be racist. But if you don't clean up black cities and the killing goes on it's because nobody cares and it's racism. You cannot win.
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keefriff99Because we're AMERICA. @#$%& you. That's why.Quote
DandelionPowderman
Why do they play the anthem when two American teams play, btw?
No real good reason. It's just hyper-nationalist nonsense.
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keefriff99It also depends on how it's covered.Quote
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keefriff99No, never said that. I simply said that inner city violence is such a mundane fact of life in America that it rarely gets the attention it deserves.Quote
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keefriff99
Yes, blacks commit crimes at higher rates than whites. Pointing that out dispassionately isn't racist, but using it as a cudgel to portray blacks as out-of-control savages does.
[ucr.fbi.gov]
Notice that white people tend to murder other white people, and black people tend to murder other black people.
As long as the violence is contained to neighborhoods of color, it doesn't register as news. No one really cares about inner city violence in America. We claim we do, but we really don't. Otherwise we would have done something about it by now.
But again, crime rates have decreased steadily during the last two decades and are very low compared to the '80s and early '90s. Our cities aren't "war zones" save for some localized inner city communities in several large cities where, again, people simply don't care enough to do anything about.
So let me see if i have got this right.
As long as whites are killing whites and blacks are killing blacks, its not news worthy, so it doesn't really matter so much, and we don't really care ?
If this is progress we are all @#$%&.
The whole world has gone mad.
White on white violence does get more attention because of ingrained racial bias: it's salacious and tends to be "evening news" worthy, particularly in suburban or rural communities where it's not as frequent.
THis is another example of not being able to win when it comes to race. In case you are not aware many blacks think that white's obsess over black and black crime and that the media shows way too much or it. That think it's a sign of racism. But here you are saying the opposite a sign or racism. You can't win. It's an irresistible force.
You cant clean up black cities using things like stop and frisk because more blacks would end up in jail and that would be racist. But if you don't clean up black cities and the killing goes on it's because nobody cares and it's racism. You cannot win.
"Crazy black savages shooting each other in Chicago again...news at 11!"
Not very helpful, but it does paint a vivid picture.
Doing an hour-long deep dive on the causes of gang violence and poverty and inner cities would be more edifying, but that's boring and puts people to sleep.
I'm sure there are plenty of tragic stories about white people getting killed by mistaken identity, but there's an ingrained suspicion that black people are inherently up to no good.Quote
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keefriff99I certainly didn't see sustained outrage commensurate with the level of tragedy. Mostly "Eh, that sucks but shit happens" and then people move on to the next thing.Quote
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keefriff99Not a straw man at all.Quote
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wonderboy
Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.
Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.
Oh Boy. Here we go.
Who doesn't think that blacks lives matter? That is just something blacks and liberals claim and then protest against their straw man.
Unarmed black people are shot dead by the cops, including a 12 year old boy, and no one cares. A video of a cop shooting a black person in the back execution-style was needed to get a cop arrested and jailed. Didn't see much outrage over it though. Just some "Tsk tsk...shame. Oh, let's see what's on TV now."
A football player kneels during the Anthem and white people go berserk en masse and stop watching football. Football...America's real religion.
That's what gets white peoples' hackles up. Not dead black people, but a living uppity black person. Their priorities are crystal clear.
That is you saying nobody cared about Rice being killed. Then you protest that nobody cared. Plenty of people cared. Obviously it's a complicated issue when dealing with police. How do you know it wasn't a real gun? Because you have hindsight that the cops do not have. How do you know that Rice was 12? Because you have hindsight that the cops did not have.
It was tragic for sure and I have never heard anyone deny that. Whites have been killed for carry toy guns also. I red that it has happened 30 times in recent years and 19 of the victims were white.
I am not impressed with your unarmed argument. Michael Brown fo one was unarmed but he tried to gr4ab a cops gun and then charged at him again. Please tell me that the same could not have easily happened to a white guy because it happens all the time to white guys.
You seriously did not see much outrage over the Walter Scott killing? Now you are just saying things. When someone wants to claim racism they are an irresistible force. There is no stopping them. Did you see a ton of outrage over any white people killed by cops recently? Which ones. I have seen none that have even come close to numerous killings of black people recently.
I've seen much more loud and sustained outrage (not to mention media coverage) over this bogus Anthem controversy than any police shooting. That's telling.
People act the same way when a white person is killed by a cop. I would bet you can't even name a white person killed by a cop. I have asked people before and they can't name one.
I agree about the National Anthem but that also had nothing to do with race. American's don't like people who don't respect the flag like they think they should. If a group of white players did the same thing then there would be the same reaction by most. One thing I can tell you is if white players did it to protest just white people getting killed by cops the protests would be huge.
I was exaggerating of course, but there are some Fox News segments that aren't far off from being that inflammatory.Quote
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keefriff99It also depends on how it's covered.Quote
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keefriff99No, never said that. I simply said that inner city violence is such a mundane fact of life in America that it rarely gets the attention it deserves.Quote
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keefriff99
Yes, blacks commit crimes at higher rates than whites. Pointing that out dispassionately isn't racist, but using it as a cudgel to portray blacks as out-of-control savages does.
[ucr.fbi.gov]
Notice that white people tend to murder other white people, and black people tend to murder other black people.
As long as the violence is contained to neighborhoods of color, it doesn't register as news. No one really cares about inner city violence in America. We claim we do, but we really don't. Otherwise we would have done something about it by now.
But again, crime rates have decreased steadily during the last two decades and are very low compared to the '80s and early '90s. Our cities aren't "war zones" save for some localized inner city communities in several large cities where, again, people simply don't care enough to do anything about.
So let me see if i have got this right.
As long as whites are killing whites and blacks are killing blacks, its not news worthy, so it doesn't really matter so much, and we don't really care ?
If this is progress we are all @#$%&.
The whole world has gone mad.
White on white violence does get more attention because of ingrained racial bias: it's salacious and tends to be "evening news" worthy, particularly in suburban or rural communities where it's not as frequent.
THis is another example of not being able to win when it comes to race. In case you are not aware many blacks think that white's obsess over black and black crime and that the media shows way too much or it. That think it's a sign of racism. But here you are saying the opposite a sign or racism. You can't win. It's an irresistible force.
You cant clean up black cities using things like stop and frisk because more blacks would end up in jail and that would be racist. But if you don't clean up black cities and the killing goes on it's because nobody cares and it's racism. You cannot win.
"Crazy black savages shooting each other in Chicago again...news at 11!"
Not very helpful, but it does paint a vivid picture.
Doing an hour-long deep dive on the causes of gang violence and poverty and inner cities would be more edifying, but that's boring and puts people to sleep.
Show me a news story that was titles savage blacks kill each other. Once again if they show the story it's racist, if they don't it's racist.
If I ran the country there would be a stop and frisk policy in these cities like they have never seen before. It would be cleaned up and whoever had to go to jail would go to jail Then MAYBE when the crime is cleaned up you could get businesses to invest in the area and maybe make lives better for the people who deserve it which is most in those cities. Then more taxes would be collected which would help the schools and improve things more.
But when someone suggests that they are labeled a racist.
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keefriff99I'm sure there are plenty of tragic stories about white people getting killed by mistaken identity, but there's an ingrained suspicion that black people are inherently up to no good.Quote
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keefriff99I certainly didn't see sustained outrage commensurate with the level of tragedy. Mostly "Eh, that sucks but shit happens" and then people move on to the next thing.Quote
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keefriff99Not a straw man at all.Quote
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wonderboy
Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.
Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.
Oh Boy. Here we go.
Who doesn't think that blacks lives matter? That is just something blacks and liberals claim and then protest against their straw man.
Unarmed black people are shot dead by the cops, including a 12 year old boy, and no one cares. A video of a cop shooting a black person in the back execution-style was needed to get a cop arrested and jailed. Didn't see much outrage over it though. Just some "Tsk tsk...shame. Oh, let's see what's on TV now."
A football player kneels during the Anthem and white people go berserk en masse and stop watching football. Football...America's real religion.
That's what gets white peoples' hackles up. Not dead black people, but a living uppity black person. Their priorities are crystal clear.
That is you saying nobody cared about Rice being killed. Then you protest that nobody cared. Plenty of people cared. Obviously it's a complicated issue when dealing with police. How do you know it wasn't a real gun? Because you have hindsight that the cops do not have. How do you know that Rice was 12? Because you have hindsight that the cops did not have.
It was tragic for sure and I have never heard anyone deny that. Whites have been killed for carry toy guns also. I red that it has happened 30 times in recent years and 19 of the victims were white.
I am not impressed with your unarmed argument. Michael Brown fo one was unarmed but he tried to gr4ab a cops gun and then charged at him again. Please tell me that the same could not have easily happened to a white guy because it happens all the time to white guys.
You seriously did not see much outrage over the Walter Scott killing? Now you are just saying things. When someone wants to claim racism they are an irresistible force. There is no stopping them. Did you see a ton of outrage over any white people killed by cops recently? Which ones. I have seen none that have even come close to numerous killings of black people recently.
I've seen much more loud and sustained outrage (not to mention media coverage) over this bogus Anthem controversy than any police shooting. That's telling.
People act the same way when a white person is killed by a cop. I would bet you can't even name a white person killed by a cop. I have asked people before and they can't name one.
I agree about the National Anthem but that also had nothing to do with race. American's don't like people who don't respect the flag like they think they should. If a group of white players did the same thing then there would be the same reaction by most. One thing I can tell you is if white players did it to protest just white people getting killed by cops the protests would be huge.
Many black celebrities have stories of being pulled over by the police for no reason and immediately treated like garbage, only to be recognized and then fawned over and told "sorry for the misunderstanding". That's something that we as white people will never understand or experience.
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Green Lady
You were not an issue, but there's no legal reason why your neighbourhood bully couldn't have owned a room full of guns just like your dad's. Or bullied you into letting him have access to your dad's collection (which is where I thought your story might have been going).
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Green Lady
It's a trade off. How much of your freedom to own serious hardware are you willing to give up in order to make the spree-killer or terrorist's plans harder to carry out?
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Green Lady
You can't make everything 100% safe
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Green Lady
I can see that in a country with much more dangerous wildlife than ours, and a hunting culture, a gun or two is a necessity in rural areas.
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keefriff99I didn't see it can't be changed or shouldn't be changed. I'm saying it WON'T be changed. Look at the frenzied mania that gun owners exhibit. Guns are fetishized extensions of themselves. There is no way that the Second Amendment will ever be modified.Quote
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keefriff99
The 2nd Amendment, as antiquated and misinterpreted as it is, is enshrined in our Constitution, and isn't going anywhere.
And that's the heart of the problem. People can't seem to get their heads around the idea that an "amendment" by its very definition is NOT enshrined in anything.
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Hairball
I found this posted on a facebook page, and while it's obviously not scientific and perhaps a bit tongue-in-cheek, it does make a point.
Looks like NRA posting to me. How about:
[www.theguardian.com]
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keefriff99I'm sure there are plenty of tragic stories about white people getting killed by mistaken identity, but there's an ingrained suspicion that black people are inherently up to no good.Quote
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keefriff99I certainly didn't see sustained outrage commensurate with the level of tragedy. Mostly "Eh, that sucks but shit happens" and then people move on to the next thing.Quote
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keefriff99Not a straw man at all.Quote
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wonderboy
Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.
Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.
Oh Boy. Here we go.
Who doesn't think that blacks lives matter? That is just something blacks and liberals claim and then protest against their straw man.
Unarmed black people are shot dead by the cops, including a 12 year old boy, and no one cares. A video of a cop shooting a black person in the back execution-style was needed to get a cop arrested and jailed. Didn't see much outrage over it though. Just some "Tsk tsk...shame. Oh, let's see what's on TV now."
A football player kneels during the Anthem and white people go berserk en masse and stop watching football. Football...America's real religion.
That's what gets white peoples' hackles up. Not dead black people, but a living uppity black person. Their priorities are crystal clear.
That is you saying nobody cared about Rice being killed. Then you protest that nobody cared. Plenty of people cared. Obviously it's a complicated issue when dealing with police. How do you know it wasn't a real gun? Because you have hindsight that the cops do not have. How do you know that Rice was 12? Because you have hindsight that the cops did not have.
It was tragic for sure and I have never heard anyone deny that. Whites have been killed for carry toy guns also. I red that it has happened 30 times in recent years and 19 of the victims were white.
I am not impressed with your unarmed argument. Michael Brown fo one was unarmed but he tried to gr4ab a cops gun and then charged at him again. Please tell me that the same could not have easily happened to a white guy because it happens all the time to white guys.
You seriously did not see much outrage over the Walter Scott killing? Now you are just saying things. When someone wants to claim racism they are an irresistible force. There is no stopping them. Did you see a ton of outrage over any white people killed by cops recently? Which ones. I have seen none that have even come close to numerous killings of black people recently.
I've seen much more loud and sustained outrage (not to mention media coverage) over this bogus Anthem controversy than any police shooting. That's telling.
People act the same way when a white person is killed by a cop. I would bet you can't even name a white person killed by a cop. I have asked people before and they can't name one.
I agree about the National Anthem but that also had nothing to do with race. American's don't like people who don't respect the flag like they think they should. If a group of white players did the same thing then there would be the same reaction by most. One thing I can tell you is if white players did it to protest just white people getting killed by cops the protests would be huge.
Many black celebrities have stories of being pulled over by the police for no reason and immediately treated like garbage, only to be recognized and then fawned over and told "sorry for the misunderstanding". That's something that we as white people will never understand or experience.
Here is the deal. When a black person gets pulled over it's because he is black ( their story ) but then what is it when a white person get's pulled over?
I was pulled over about 2 years ago for turning around at a closed gas station and the cop told me he pulled me over because someone had broke into the gas station. What do you think I would be saying if i was black?
We just saw this with Michael Bennett the football player. He was treated like anyone was going to be treated in that situation but he claimed as a fact that it happened because he is black
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keefriff99I'm sure there are plenty of tragic stories about white people getting killed by mistaken identity, but there's an ingrained suspicion that black people are inherently up to no good.Quote
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keefriff99I certainly didn't see sustained outrage commensurate with the level of tragedy. Mostly "Eh, that sucks but shit happens" and then people move on to the next thing.Quote
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keefriff99Not a straw man at all.Quote
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wonderboy
Strange logic.
It's OK to point out that most mass shootings are done by white males.
But it's not OK to point out that most gun violence is perpetrated by young, black males.
And because of that, largely black communities suffer because it's not politically correct to talk about their situation.
Not at all strange logic. It's How not to be racist 101.
First- inner-city gun violence is not all "perpetrated by young, black males". Characterizing it as such, is indeed racist.
White males don't get to cry racism, because they are WHITE males. Just as males don't get to wail about sexism, because they are .. wait for it.. MALES. The majority of oppressors don't get to then co-op the legitimately oppressed (that they oppressed) legitimate issues. It's not tough, just as when Black Lives Matter is co-opted with nonsense like All Lives Matter, or Blue Lives Matter.. or..
The racism and oppression that has made these movements necessary is then diminished by the co-opting.
Oh Boy. Here we go.
Who doesn't think that blacks lives matter? That is just something blacks and liberals claim and then protest against their straw man.
Unarmed black people are shot dead by the cops, including a 12 year old boy, and no one cares. A video of a cop shooting a black person in the back execution-style was needed to get a cop arrested and jailed. Didn't see much outrage over it though. Just some "Tsk tsk...shame. Oh, let's see what's on TV now."
A football player kneels during the Anthem and white people go berserk en masse and stop watching football. Football...America's real religion.
That's what gets white peoples' hackles up. Not dead black people, but a living uppity black person. Their priorities are crystal clear.
That is you saying nobody cared about Rice being killed. Then you protest that nobody cared. Plenty of people cared. Obviously it's a complicated issue when dealing with police. How do you know it wasn't a real gun? Because you have hindsight that the cops do not have. How do you know that Rice was 12? Because you have hindsight that the cops did not have.
It was tragic for sure and I have never heard anyone deny that. Whites have been killed for carry toy guns also. I red that it has happened 30 times in recent years and 19 of the victims were white.
I am not impressed with your unarmed argument. Michael Brown fo one was unarmed but he tried to gr4ab a cops gun and then charged at him again. Please tell me that the same could not have easily happened to a white guy because it happens all the time to white guys.
You seriously did not see much outrage over the Walter Scott killing? Now you are just saying things. When someone wants to claim racism they are an irresistible force. There is no stopping them. Did you see a ton of outrage over any white people killed by cops recently? Which ones. I have seen none that have even come close to numerous killings of black people recently.
I've seen much more loud and sustained outrage (not to mention media coverage) over this bogus Anthem controversy than any police shooting. That's telling.
People act the same way when a white person is killed by a cop. I would bet you can't even name a white person killed by a cop. I have asked people before and they can't name one.
I agree about the National Anthem but that also had nothing to do with race. American's don't like people who don't respect the flag like they think they should. If a group of white players did the same thing then there would be the same reaction by most. One thing I can tell you is if white players did it to protest just white people getting killed by cops the protests would be huge.
Many black celebrities have stories of being pulled over by the police for no reason and immediately treated like garbage, only to be recognized and then fawned over and told "sorry for the misunderstanding". That's something that we as white people will never understand or experience.
Here is the deal. When a black person gets pulled over it's because he is black ( their story ) but then what is it when a white person get's pulled over?
I was pulled over about 2 years ago for turning around at a closed gas station and the cop told me he pulled me over because someone had broke into the gas station. What do you think I would be saying if i was black?
We just saw this with Michael Bennett the football player. He was treated like anyone was going to be treated in that situation but he claimed as a fact that it happened because he is black
I suppose like anything in life, people will use something to their own advantage if they can or they are allowed to.
A lot of white male straight men in England are beginning to feel like second class citizens.
Things can go full circle.
A nice balance of fairness and justice to all people regardless of colour gender or sexual preference should be the thing to aim for imho.
Another statistic that is strange is when they will say that in a certain area black men are ten times more likely to be stop and searched than white men. Well that doesn't give the full story. What if it is a crime ridden predominately black area and black people are statistically committing most crimes, why would a policeman stop and search a white man unless he was specifically looking for a white man.
If there was a one in ten chance a white man had commented a crime, surely that policemen would be doing the sensible thing in stop and searching a black man.
This isn't racist , its common sense, and also the likelihood is that the policeman would also be black, especially in the Uk if it was a heavily populated black or ethnic area.
I don't believe i know any racist people where i live, if they are racist they cover it up well, but all we hear is that everyone is racist. As i say most people see black and white as just a colour, we are all people at the end of the day,i just wish we concentrated more on that.
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Rocky Dijon
It's not black people, it's poor neighborhoods that are predominantly black. The economic scale makes a difference. Poor kids growing up with little education and usually an absentee father are more likely to end up falling into crime than middle class black kids from nuclear families. That's fact.
The race card is a factor in other ways than crime, though. When I was in high school, I would get hassled when I hung out with black and Latino friends vs. when I was alone or with white friends. That's what happened in our own lower class neighborhood or when we were in suburban areas. That was the mid to late 1980s.
Today, I'm 46 and it's a different story. I have had no issues nor have my kids in our upper middle class neighborhood. Whereas one of my closest friends from high school will still get pulled over and harrassed by cops if he's driving around while wearing jeans and a T-shirt on the weekend, but never during the week when he's driving around in his suit and tie. Why? Probably because black psychologists are a minority and when he looks like a regular guy that is equated with a criminal (he's a big guy, looks like a quarterback). That's life in a big city. Likewise a friend who's in management and a little older than me, but came from the same neighborhood, was stopped by police while walking the dog in his gated community. Why? Probably because his neighbors thought a middle-aged Puerto Rican man is suspicious in an upper class suburb and didn't believe he belonged there.
That has nothing to do with Vegas, but the race issue is both a convenient card played politically by both sides and also a very real problem for black and Latino people in the States.
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Race relations in America are very complicated to say the least. Things are very screwed because of the historical treatment of blacks. because of that the majority of blacks and many white liberals see racism and racists everywhere. Because of history it is somewhat understandable, especially amongst blacks themselves. I don't know the answer to it. I do know that one thing that has to stop is blacks and liberals accusing people of racism based on hunches or spidey senses. It has turned off others to the claims. I will admit that because of this i know longer take claims of racism seriously and many feel like I do.
In the Michael Bennett case for example ( the same with almost any case ) Michael Bennett claimed as a fact that his treatment was because of his race. now think about that for a minute. How the heck could he know that for a fact. The only one who could know that was the cop who stopped him, yet Bennett made the claim and blacks and liberals treated it like it was a fact. This goes on and on and on. Then blacks and liberal talk about the amount of racism there is and mentions things like that as proof.
This is a thread started about the Vegas shooting so lets talk about that. There is a story out there and the police are looking into it ( so I have read ) that the shooter might have tried this before at an earlier time and at that time I believe it was a rap concert going on. Now if that did happen and this guy killed 50 at a rap concert this country would have exploded. It was have been treated like a fact that the shooter just wanted to kill black people and CNN and MSNBC would be running that angle all day. People like me who would be saying that it's tragic but I don't know if he was a racist would be considered racist and evil for saying that.