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keefriff99
Interesting.
Here's a thought experiment: how would the Stones sound without Chuck onstage? Just our boys and Darryl...five people, no safety net, no backup singers.
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HonkeyTonkFlash
Nice to hear comments that Keith is playing better at this point in the tour. He's always taken a few gigs to find his groove, which is kind of a shame now that they only do shorter tours.Given that fact, I hope they don't attempt one-offs or mini-tours like the Desert Trip / Vegas thing. They never had a chance to warm up. I gotta admit some clips I saw and heard from the first couple gigs had me worried. I saw an early clip of Slipping Away and Keith could barely manage those opening chords. Also saw some clips of other songs where he seemed to be noticeably dragging behind the band. Reports from Amsterdam have been much more positive. I thought he was very good in Cuba, which wasn't that long ago. I would hate to think he fell apart as bad as some are saying in the short time since then. He may still surprise us pleasantly as this tour progresses.
Keith will improve even more, I promise when he plays SFTD without any major mistakes people will start complaining about the setlist again. Overall I think the band already sounds way more exciting and focused than last year.
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Rocky Dijon
I do get what you're saying. I honestly don't know the real reason since Keith could have easily gone forward with the mini-tour with the Winos and relied on Waddy to handle the heavy lifting. Willie Weeks, Steve Jordan, and Ivan Neville are as solid a rhythm section as he could want. The horn players and back-up singers would still help fill the sound. I think he would have done fine and would have certainly spiked sales with TV appearances playing live. There are those who say it almost happened. I've never heard of promoters being in discussions for booking any small halls or theaters, though. Just one of those things we might never know.
As for Chuck and the Stones, changing him out at this late date seems highly unlikely. Too much effort to break in someone new. The only possible candidate would be to let Matt Clifford go it alone so careful what you wish for.
And yeah, I'm sure Chuck's a great guy. I like him just fine in the studio where he can play really nice boogie-woogie piano and some of the tastiest organ fills around. Put him onstage though and I wince. Two different roles to fill, I suppose. It's a case of not shooting the messenger, though. He does what he's paid to do, it's just a shame the role exists.
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laertisflash
"...I never read anywhere that the Stones "are (were) not focus" but of course that "they are more focus today"... grinning smiley
If it's better WHEN was it less good ??
Never. Continuous improvement.
And of course everybody sounds always better // previous Tour.."
Really powerage 78? "Never"? So you didn't read, for example, critics about Keith having in 2007 problems which didn't exist in 2005. Or about Ronnie being less good on the European leg of Licks Tour than what he was in 2002/ early 2003. Or about Ronnie's contribution to B2B tour moving at lower level than his contribution to Voodoo Lounge gigs...
Everyone could agree or disagree with these critics, from the past, but they existed. So, the theory that "everybody sounds always better // previous Tour" maybe serves your irony, but it's your own creation. And, with respect, but I'm afraid that your sarcasm becomes tiring obsession, very often.
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stone4ever
I still believe that , health permitting Keith has one more solo album left in him, perhaps something different, the old standards he holds so dear to his heart, he could do some acoustic songs, some ballads a few Rockers, i envisage Keith having a ball with a variation of slower paced songs to release and sing live.
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IrisC
Keith is struggling folks. I love the man but the songs sound like crap. Sorry people.
You know, I NEVER realized Chuck wasn't there for that Juilliard concert. Pretty cool...I'm actually shocked that Mick agreed to perform with the band without him there.Quote
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keefriff99
Interesting.
Here's a thought experiment: how would the Stones sound without Chuck onstage? Just our boys and Darryl...five people, no safety net, no backup singers.
Juilliard School of Music, Lincoln Center, New York
Tuesday May 10, 2005
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keefriff99You know, I NEVER realized Chuck wasn't there for that Juilliard concert. Pretty cool...I'm actually shocked that Mick agreed to perform with the band without him there.Quote
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keefriff99
Interesting.
Here's a thought experiment: how would the Stones sound without Chuck onstage? Just our boys and Darryl...five people, no safety net, no backup singers.
Juilliard School of Music, Lincoln Center, New York
Tuesday May 10, 2005
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However, 2005 Stones is a LOT different than 2017 Stones.
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keefriff99
However, 2005 Stones is a LOT different than 2017 Stones.
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IrisC
Keith is struggling folks. I love the man but the songs sound like crap. Sorry people.
SFM was crap? SAL, too? Heck, even YGMR rocked
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keefriff99You know, I NEVER realized Chuck wasn't there for that Juilliard concert. Pretty cool...I'm actually shocked that Mick agreed to perform with the band without him there.Quote
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keefriff99
Interesting.
Here's a thought experiment: how would the Stones sound without Chuck onstage? Just our boys and Darryl...five people, no safety net, no backup singers.
Juilliard School of Music, Lincoln Center, New York
Tuesday May 10, 2005
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However, 2005 Stones is a LOT different than 2017 Stones.
Yes, they are very different. Ronnie plays way better, and Keith has stopped much of his (imo) unnecessary noodling on every song. Mick also sings better now.
They played a bit faster, though, for good AND worse
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keefriff99You're right about Ronnie and Mick.Quote
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keefriff99You know, I NEVER realized Chuck wasn't there for that Juilliard concert. Pretty cool...I'm actually shocked that Mick agreed to perform with the band without him there.Quote
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keefriff99
Interesting.
Here's a thought experiment: how would the Stones sound without Chuck onstage? Just our boys and Darryl...five people, no safety net, no backup singers.
Juilliard School of Music, Lincoln Center, New York
Tuesday May 10, 2005
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However, 2005 Stones is a LOT different than 2017 Stones.
Yes, they are very different. Ronnie plays way better, and Keith has stopped much of his (imo) unnecessary noodling on every song. Mick also sings better now.
They played a bit faster, though, for good AND worse
But as far as I'm concerned, Keith's decline cancels out the other two.
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Keith is struggling folks. I love the man but the songs sound like crap. Sorry people.
I believe Ronnie is playing sharper now than he did in 2005. He was really good on the Licks tour as well, but he started backsliding a bit on ABB.Quote
RaiseTheKnife
Don't be silly they were better in 2005, yes the ABB-tour was flawed and the band ran on cruise control but it's all about the tempos... It was exciting to hear a fast raunchy Jumping Jack Flash back in 2005, so different from now.
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DandelionPowderman
He's just provoking
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RaiseTheKnife
Don't be silly they were better in 2005, yes the ABB-tour was flawed and the band ran on cruise control but it's all about the tempos... It was exciting to hear a fast raunchy Jumping Jack Flash back in 2005, so different from now.
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powerage78
Yes, 1969 live songs are slow put so powerful !
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keefriff99I believe Ronnie is playing sharper now than he did in 2005. He was really good on the Licks tour as well, but he started backsliding a bit on ABB.Quote
RaiseTheKnife
Don't be silly they were better in 2005, yes the ABB-tour was flawed and the band ran on cruise control but it's all about the tempos... It was exciting to hear a fast raunchy Jumping Jack Flash back in 2005, so different from now.
Mick is pretty much always Mick. Charlie is still solid but I've got to believe that some of the slower tempos is to save his energy. And of Keith pre/post head injury is a totally different player. That's the most crucial difference.
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keefriff99I believe Ronnie is playing sharper now than he did in 2005. He was really good on the Licks tour as well, but he started backsliding a bit on ABB.Quote
RaiseTheKnife
Don't be silly they were better in 2005, yes the ABB-tour was flawed and the band ran on cruise control but it's all about the tempos... It was exciting to hear a fast raunchy Jumping Jack Flash back in 2005, so different from now.
Mick is pretty much always Mick. Charlie is still solid but I've got to believe that some of the slower tempos is to save his energy. And of Keith pre/post head injury is a totally different player. That's the most crucial difference.
It wasn't just the injury, listen to early 2006 shows like Radio City Hall, Tokyo Dome and Saitama, he played better after injury than on those shows.
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IrisC
Keith is struggling folks. I love the man but the songs sound like crap. Sorry people.
SFM was crap? SAL, too? Heck, even YGMR rocked
Dandelion, you persist in being way too polite (and all credit to you for that)!
Sorry, but I'm sure fellow concert-goers would agree that the ones struggling here are the armchair critics with their crap comments from afar.
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IrisC
Keith is struggling folks. I love the man but the songs sound like crap. Sorry people.
SFM was crap? SAL, too? Heck, even YGMR rocked
Dandelion, you persist in being way too polite (and all credit to you for that)!
Sorry, but I'm sure fellow concert-goers would agree that the ones struggling here are the armchair critics with their crap comments from afar.
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DandelionPowderman
That's true, and SAL was before the injury, right? Light The Fuse and SAL feature (IMO) the poorest playing from Keith on live albums ever. I like the former live album anyhow, but something just wasn't right there.