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To me one vital question is: What did the band in each case intend their release to be?
As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile, those songs probably were intended for release on earlier albums.
I did not say recording, but release. That is, it was more or less a rhetorical question: What did the band mean, for instance, TATTOO YOU as?
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Just made a playlist of a longer GHS with...
Criss Cross Mind
Tops
Through The Lonely Nights
Waiting On A Friend
... and it's even more killer.
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To me one vital question is: What did the band in each case intend their release to be?
As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile, those songs probably were intended for release on earlier albums.
I did not say recording, but release. That is, it was more or less a rhetorical question: What did the band mean, for instance, TATTOO YOU as?
A new LP, of course, which is was.
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That means that Sticky Fingers and Exile aren't real albums...
And LET IT BLEED and EMOTIONAL RESCUE and IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL and UNDERCOVER.
You know, U is not a real album because it has a song from 1975 on it.
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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.
They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.
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Just made a playlist of a longer GHS with...
Criss Cross Mind
Tops
Through The Lonely Nights
Waiting On A Friend
... and it's even more killer.
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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.
They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.
Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......
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That means that Sticky Fingers and Exile aren't real albums...
And LET IT BLEED and EMOTIONAL RESCUE and IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL and UNDERCOVER.
You know, U is not a real album because it has a song from 1975 on it.
Which song is it? Did they use the recording from 1975 or was it re-recorded?
Re-recording an unreleased song is tolerable, using old recordings for a new album isn´t.
If the re-record Honest Man for their new album, it´s ok.
If they use the vocal and/or instrumental track from back then, it´s cheating on us.
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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.
They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.
Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......
Neighbours did indeed. Love that version! We don't know about Heaven, other than that it was recorded on the ER sessions
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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.
They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.
Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......
Neighbours did indeed. Love that version! We don't know about Heaven, other than that it was recorded on the ER sessions
Well, according to Nico Zentgraf the ER sessions only produced one take of each with only guide vocals.....June - July 1979... [www.nzentgraf.de] ......the second takes didn't happen until late 1980...(I prefer to trust Nico than CD covers........
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To me one vital question is: What did the band in each case intend their release to be?
As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile, those songs probably were intended for release on earlier albums.
I did not say recording, but release. That is, it was more or less a rhetorical question: What did the band mean, for instance, TATTOO YOU as?
I didn't say you did.
However, it was funny hearing Mick on the 1981 tour saying «here's an old blues number we'll play for you»... (It was started in 1972 or 1973, before Ronnie joined the Stones) But the song was brand new to the public: Black Limousine
Of course they intended to put the songs they had scraped off the barrel on a new album. Their working method was different on producing this «new» album, though.
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As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile
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To me one vital question is: What did the band in each case intend their release to be?
As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile, those songs probably were intended for release on earlier albums.
I did not say recording, but release. That is, it was more or less a rhetorical question: What did the band mean, for instance, TATTOO YOU as?
I didn't say you did.
However, it was funny hearing Mick on the 1981 tour saying «here's an old blues number we'll play for you»... (It was started in 1972 or 1973, before Ronnie joined the Stones) But the song was brand new to the public: Black Limousine
Of course they intended to put the songs they had scraped off the barrel on a new album. Their working method was different on producing this «new» album, though.
Well, it is not that important.
But you referred to composed and possibly recorded songs, maybe even finished ones. I wrote about one released album, meant as release of a new album.
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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.
They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.
Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......
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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.
They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.
Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......
Here's Neighbours from the ER Sessions: [www.dropbox.com]
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To me one vital question is: What did the band in each case intend their release to be?
As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile, those songs probably were intended for release on earlier albums.
I did not say recording, but release. That is, it was more or less a rhetorical question: What did the band mean, for instance, TATTOO YOU as?
I didn't say you did.
However, it was funny hearing Mick on the 1981 tour saying «here's an old blues number we'll play for you»... (It was started in 1972 or 1973, before Ronnie joined the Stones) But the song was brand new to the public: Black Limousine
Of course they intended to put the songs they had scraped off the barrel on a new album. Their working method was different on producing this «new» album, though.
Well, it is not that important.
But you referred to composed and possibly recorded songs, maybe even finished ones. I wrote about one released album, meant as release of a new album.
But why? We all know that they released it as a new album.
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That means that Sticky Fingers and Exile aren't real albums...
And LET IT BLEED and EMOTIONAL RESCUE and IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL and UNDERCOVER.
You know, U is not a real album because it has a song from 1975 on it.
Which song is it? Did they use the recording from 1975 or was it re-recorded?
Re-recording an unreleased song is tolerable, using old recordings for a new album isn´t.
If the re-record Honest Man for their new album, it´s ok.
If they use the vocal and/or instrumental track from back then, it´s cheating on us.
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Just made a playlist of a longer GHS with...
Criss Cross Mind
Tops
Through The Lonely Nights
Waiting On A Friend
... and it's even more killer.
The other way round - making it an EP of four or five songs - would be a more satisfying thing to do, imo.
Goes like this:
01 Heartbreaker
02 Silver Train
03 Hide Your Love
04 Star Star
05 100 Years Ago
Accompanying single-release:
01 Angie
02 Can You Hear The Music
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To me one vital question is: What did the band in each case intend their release to be?
As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile, those songs probably were intended for release on earlier albums.
I did not say recording, but release. That is, it was more or less a rhetorical question: What did the band mean, for instance, TATTOO YOU as?
A new LP, of course, which is was.
Old wine in new bottles, it was.
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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.
They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.
Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......
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Just made a playlist of a longer GHS with...
Criss Cross Mind
Tops
Through The Lonely Nights
Waiting On A Friend
... and it's even more killer.
You could also add You Should Have Seen Her Ass and Fast Talking Slow Walking.
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As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile
Can you (or someone else) be more precise please? Which songs are we talking about?
Does it mean they recorded or re-recorded songs written in 1968/69 during SF and EXILE-sessions? Or did they use indeed already-in-the-can-material from the 1968/69-period for SF/EXILE?
Revisiting leftovers and re-recording them isn´t a crime, but using finished takes from the past on a new release, well that´s very different. It would shed a new light on SF/EXILE artistically.
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That means that Sticky Fingers and Exile aren't real albums...
And LET IT BLEED and EMOTIONAL RESCUE and IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL and UNDERCOVER.
You know, U is not a real album because it has a song from 1975 on it.
Which song is it? Did they use the recording from 1975 or was it re-recorded?
Re-recording an unreleased song is tolerable, using old recordings for a new album isn´t.
If the re-record Honest Man for their new album, it´s ok.
If they use the vocal and/or instrumental track from back then, it´s cheating on us.
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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.
They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.
Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......
Here's Neighbours from the ER Sessions: [www.dropbox.com]
There's alot more to that than Nico Zentgraf indicates it's true.....but....how does anyone know where these actual recordings come from, for example, I've got a CD called "Compass Point Works" part 1 which claims to have Neighbours take 1 but in fact has even more than the version you've posted.....almost full lyrics up to 1 and half minutes.........and then more lyrics to finish off....(I accept that Neighbours was started for ER sessions but who really knows which, if any of the available versions, is the true take one?
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