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Consider, if it could've worked, that they'd've finished Waiting On A Friend and Tops and put those on GHS along with Through The Lonely Nights and Criss Cross Mind in place of (enter whatever songs here)... holy crap: it would've made a really good album great and GHS might've made it The Big 5.

Fortunately two of those wound up on the awesome TATTOO YOU album.

Waiting On A Friend is the weakest song on Tatto You, on GHS it would have been the third- or fourth-weakest song. Anyway it wouldn´t have been an improvement for GHS.

Tops indeed is a gem.

Through The Lonely Nights. Urgh. It´s the weakest of all weak GHS-songs. It ended up where it belongs - on a obscure b-side. It is one of the weakest Stones-tracks ever. No way GHS could have ever been part of their Big 5, Big Ten or whatever, no matter which configuration. They had only three outstanding songs back then and that´s not enough. Even most of Exile´s fillers are better than most GHS-songs, so there is really no chance for GHS to come close to their masterpieces, the moon is closer to earth than GHS is to LIB, SF, BB or Exile.

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in many ways, ER is superior to SG (my favourite album), because of better playing and more developed arranging.

Truer words have never been spoken. ER is indeed superior to SG, better songs, better playing, better singing... everything´s better on ER. The only good thing about overrated SG is that the Stones sounded fresh and re-energized again, but most songs on SG are mediocre. The way they executed the album is much more enjoyable than the album itself.

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Biggest Stones letdown: STEEL WHEELS

It had some promise to it. Mixed Emotions, Almost Hear You Sigh, Sad Sad Sad, Hearts For Sale, Break The Spell and Slipping Away.

Blinded By Love is nice, sometimes, but that's it. The rest is garbage.


Only Stones embarrassment: DIRTY WORK

With exception to Harlem Shuffle, Too Rude, Sleep Tonight and Had It With You, why did they bother?

Only really outstanding songs on weak SW: Hold On To Your Hat, Hearts For Sale, Break The Spell.

Mixed Emotions and Sad Sad Sad are ok but far from being Stones-highlights.

Everything else: Garbage or close to garbage, superfluous at best.
What a huge let-down SW was after violent, energetic, raunchy, sparkling, aggressive, hard rocking DW.

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There are many Stones-ballads better than Winter.

Define many. Because there are many Stones ballads that are not as good as Winter.

All of Exile´s ballads are much better than Winter. Time Waits For No One is better, Memory Motel is better, practically every ballad with Keith on vocals post 1973 is better.

There are indeed ballads that aren´s as good as Winter, especially post 1983, blame it on bad songwriting and most of all on Mick´s ridiculous vocals. But not being the worst Stones-ballad doesn´t make Winter a good one.

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DW is by far - vagillions of miles - their worst album. TSMR is easily their second worst.

GHS is a fantastic come down from what they had just done for 5 years.

Hahahah - Kudos, that´s a good one!
They were so great in 1968-72, they simply needed to come down from that trip of pure greatness and deliver something mediocre. Everything else would have been superhuman. So they had to do a weak album!

DW by vagillions of miles their worst album? Ridiculous!
Every fan who likes his Stones tough, rough and rocking loves One Hit, Harlem Shuffle, Dirty Work, Had It With You, Fight and Hold Back. There´s only one weak spot on DW, Back To Zero. And that song is still better than almost everything on BTB & GHS, their only bad albums - if there indeed is something like a "bad" Stones-album.

I just love to read all the different opinions regarding the lads! Here's my two cents regarding the masterpiece (alright, a let-down after Exile but hey, no-one thought so at the time thinking they all slagged off Exile the year before...) GHS:

1. DWMD 5/10
2. 100 Years 9/10
3. CDA 10/10 (feels like sitting next to Keith in Montreux)
4. Angie 8/10
5. Heartbreaker 7/10
6. Silver Train 3/10
7. Hide Yer Love 7/10
8. Winter 9/10
9. CYHTM 7/10
10. Star****** 9/10

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I just love to read all the different opinions regarding the lads! Here's my two cents regarding the masterpiece (alright, a let-down after Exile but hey, no-one thought so at the time thinking they all slagged off Exile the year before...) GHS:

1. DWMD 5/10
2. 100 Years 9/10
3. CDA 10/10 (feels like sitting next to Keith in Montreux)
4. Angie 8/10
5. Heartbreaker 7/10
6. Silver Train 3/10
7. Hide Yer Love 7/10
8. Winter 9/10
9. CYHTM 7/10
10. Star****** 9/10

Pretty much my thinking too.

They should have included Criss Cross and Seperately and put Winter and Hide Your Love on B-sides - enough to make it a good album.

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Consider, if it could've worked, that they'd've finished Waiting On A Friend and Tops and put those on GHS along with Through The Lonely Nights and Criss Cross Mind in place of (enter whatever songs here)... holy crap: it would've made a really good album great and GHS might've made it The Big 5.

Fortunately two of those wound up on the awesome TATTOO YOU album.

Waiting On A Friend is the weakest song on Tatto You, on GHS it would have been the third- or fourth-weakest song. Anyway it wouldn´t have been an improvement for GHS.

Wrong. Again. When will you tire of being wrong so much?

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Tops indeed is a gem.

Holy crap - you're right.

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Through The Lonely Nights. Urgh. It´s the weakest of all weak GHS-songs. It ended up where it belongs - on a obscure b-side. It is one of the weakest Stones-tracks ever. No way GHS could have ever been part of their Big 5, Big Ten or whatever, no matter which configuration. They had only three outstanding songs back then and that´s not enough. Even most of Exile´s fillers are better than most GHS-songs, so there is really no chance for GHS to come close to their masterpieces, the moon is closer to earth than GHS is to LIB, SF, BB or Exile.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong. So much wrong there needs to be an alternate route around your center of wrong.

Like Atlanta.

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Biggest Stones letdown: STEEL WHEELS

It had some promise to it. Mixed Emotions, Almost Hear You Sigh, Sad Sad Sad, Hearts For Sale, Break The Spell and Slipping Away.

Blinded By Love is nice, sometimes, but that's it. The rest is garbage.


Only Stones embarrassment: DIRTY WORK

With exception to Harlem Shuffle, Too Rude, Sleep Tonight and Had It With You, why did they bother?

Yeah GasLight, Im right there with you. Somewhere in this thread I think I wrote something similar, but then scratched that out, and handed the letdown award to 'Voodoo Lounge' which IMO qualified more.
The recipe for SW for me is just to disregard the official version and do only the boot version, with "Precious Love".
But there is hardly any way to spruce up "Blinded by Love" and "Rock in a hard place".

HA HA! RAAHP is just horrible.

Perhaps VOODOO gets a pass (I almost included it or even made it their number one letdown) because it had been 5 years since the release of anything new - even with the horrible You Got Me Rocking, Sparks Will Fly, New Faces...

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Biggest Stones letdown: STEEL WHEELS

It had some promise to it. Mixed Emotions, Almost Hear You Sigh, Sad Sad Sad, Hearts For Sale, Break The Spell and Slipping Away.

Blinded By Love is nice, sometimes, but that's it. The rest is garbage.


Only Stones embarrassment: DIRTY WORK

With exception to Harlem Shuffle, Too Rude, Sleep Tonight and Had It With You, why did they bother?

Only really outstanding songs on weak SW: Hold On To Your Hat, Hearts For Sale, Break The Spell.

Mixed Emotions and Sad Sad Sad are ok but far from being Stones-highlights.

Everything else: Garbage or close to garbage, superfluous at best.
What a huge let-down SW was after violent, energetic, raunchy, sparkling, aggressive, hard rocking DW.

A sane person with ears that work and understands quality songwriting would've said "What a huge let-down STEEL WHEELS was after the horrible, pointless, stupid, pointless, pathetic, embarrassing DIRTY WORK, and yet STEEL WHEELS is EXILE ON MAIN STREET compared to DIRTY WORK."

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There are many Stones-ballads better than Winter.

Define many. Because there are many Stones ballads that are not as good as Winter.

All of Exile´s ballads are much better than Winter. Time Waits For No One is better, Memory Motel is better, practically every ballad with Keith on vocals post 1973 is better.

There are indeed ballads that aren´s as good as Winter, especially post 1983, blame it on bad songwriting and most of all on Mick´s ridiculous vocals. But not being the worst Stones-ballad doesn´t make Winter a good one.

If you only made sense.

That makes no sense.

And yet somehow it still highlights your ignorance.

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DW is by far - vagillions of miles - their worst album. TSMR is easily their second worst.

GHS is a fantastic come down from what they had just done for 5 years.

Hahahah - Kudos, that´s a good one!
They were so great in 1968-72, they simply needed to come down from that trip of pure greatness and deliver something mediocre. Everything else would have been superhuman. So they had to do a weak album!

Fortunately they waited until 1986 to release a weak album.

Without any inclination as to even blink, it's no wonder you confuse 'come down' for 'weak' and 'mediocre'. Your imbecility continues to, somehow, rather bafflingly, grow. It's truly a work of bizarre forces that allows you to gain stupidity when it's been clear for quite some time that you maxed it out a while back. It's really amazing.

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DW by vagillions of miles their worst album? Ridiculous!
Every fan who likes his Stones tough, rough and rocking loves One Hit, Harlem Shuffle, Dirty Work, Had It With You, Fight and Hold Back. There´s only one weak spot on DW, Back To Zero. And that song is still better than almost everything on BTB & GHS, their only bad albums - if there indeed is something like a "bad" Stones-album.

Wrong.

Again.

You left out the worst track on DW to begin with yet alone it's accurate, not ridiculous, and when you say "every Stones fan who likes his Stones tough, rough and rocking" a real true Stones fan will not have anything from DW in the Top 100 Tough Rough & Rocking Stones Tunes, yet alone any Top 100 Anything.

Nobody in the whole wide world would dare to say that Winter outshines songs like Let It Loose, Sweet Virgina or Shine A Light. And also hardly anyone can deny that Mick´s way of singing on latter day ballads is close to self-caricature, worst examples are Always Suffering, Already Over Me, New Faces, Blinded By Rainbows, the slow parts of Out Of Control. Even Laugh I Nearly Died, although a much better song than the aforementioned suffers extremly from Mick´s overacting.

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Nobody in the whole wide world would dare to say that Winter outshines songs like Let It Loose, Sweet Virgina or Shine A Light. And also hardly anyone can deny that Mick´s way of singing on latter day ballads is close to self-caricature, worst examples are Always Suffering, Already Over Me, New Faces, Blinded By Rainbows, the slow parts of Out Of Control. Even Laugh I Nearly Died, although a much better song than the aforementioned suffers extremly from Mick´s overacting.

Sweet Virginia is not a ballad. Nor is Shine A Light. Why am I not surprised that you can't tell the difference. I bet you play a mean pinball.

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Wrong.

Again.

You left out the worst track on DW to begin with yet alone it's accurate, not ridiculous, and when you say "every Stones fan who likes his Stones tough, rough and rocking" a real true Stones fan will not have anything from DW in the Top 100 Tough Rough & Rocking Stones Tunes, yet alone any Top 100 Anything.

You unfortunately continue in your way of thinking that a person who doesn´t share your oppinion is automatically wrong.

At least three of DW´s songs would always be in my TOP TWENTY Rough, tough, rocking Rolling Stones. I´d like to know who was the very first to spread this inappropriate myth of DW being a "bad" album.

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Wrong.

Again.

You left out the worst track on DW to begin with yet alone it's accurate, not ridiculous, and when you say "every Stones fan who likes his Stones tough, rough and rocking" a real true Stones fan will not have anything from DW in the Top 100 Tough Rough & Rocking Stones Tunes, yet alone any Top 100 Anything.

You unfortunately continue in your way of thinking that a person who doesn´t share your oppinion is automatically wrong.

At least three of DW´s songs would always be in my TOP TWENTY Rough, tough, rocking Rolling Stones. I´d like to know who was the very first to spread this inappropriate myth of DW being a "bad" album.

No. The fact that DIRTY WORK's songs are so bad supports my opinion therefor it is fact.

You're just ignorant to truth. Your TOP TWENTY that has DIRTY WORK songs in it is not what even a casual Stones fan yet alone a serious true real Stones fan would have - which is zero DIRTY WORK songs.

Inappropriate myth? Are there appropriate myths? So you're saying it's a bad lie instead of a good lie?

It is a myth that DW is a bad album. A bad album is TSMR.

What's fact is it's their worst album, it's one of the worst albums to be released by a rock'n'roll band, and it's the most embarrassing thing The Rolling Stones have ever done.

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Nobody in the whole wide world would dare to say that Winter outshines songs like Let It Loose, Sweet Virgina or Shine A Light. And also hardly anyone can deny that Mick´s way of singing on latter day ballads is close to self-caricature, worst examples are Always Suffering, Already Over Me, New Faces, Blinded By Rainbows, the slow parts of Out Of Control. Even Laugh I Nearly Died, although a much better song than the aforementioned suffers extremly from Mick´s overacting.

Sweet Virginia is not a ballad. Nor is Shine A Light. Why am I not surprised that you can't tell the difference. I bet you play a mean pinball.

Next thing will be you telling the world that there are no ballads at all on Exile. Uh, wait a minute - I´m wrong. Wrong again.

Your discussions is so funny, but I have another question.

What are characteristic features of a real true Stones fan? Is there any handbook or something to check proper values?

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Your discussions is so funny, but I have another question.

What are characteristic features of a real true Stones fan? Is there any handbook or something to check proper values?

Here's a hint: someone that can admit not everything is great or good.

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Nobody in the whole wide world would dare to say that Winter outshines songs like Let It Loose, Sweet Virgina or Shine A Light. And also hardly anyone can deny that Mick´s way of singing on latter day ballads is close to self-caricature, worst examples are Always Suffering, Already Over Me, New Faces, Blinded By Rainbows, the slow parts of Out Of Control. Even Laugh I Nearly Died, although a much better song than the aforementioned suffers extremly from Mick´s overacting.

Sweet Virginia is not a ballad. Nor is Shine A Light. Why am I not surprised that you can't tell the difference. I bet you play a mean pinball.

Next thing will be you telling the world that there are no ballads at all on Exile. Uh, wait a minute - I´m wrong. Wrong again.

Weird that you would say something like that when there is a ballad on EOMS. There may be 2 ballads on EOMS. There may even be 3 ballads on EOMS.

Not sure what difference it makes since you have no idea what that means anyway.

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I´d like to know who was the very first to spread this inappropriate myth of DW being a "bad" album.

Lol...that is a funny sentence!

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It is a myth that DW is a bad album. A bad album is TSMR.

What's fact is it's their worst album, it's one of the worst albums to be released by a rock'n'roll band, and it's the most embarrassing thing The Rolling Stones have ever done.

How could an album that contains 2000 Man, 2000 Lightyears, In Another Land, Citadel and The Lantern ever be a "bad" album. How could an album containing One Hit, Dirty Work, Harlem Shuffle, Fight, Hold Back, Winning Ugly, Too Rude, Sleep Tonight, Had It With You ever be a "bad" let alone "their worst" album.

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Your discussions is so funny, but I have another question.

What are characteristic features of a real true Stones fan? Is there any handbook or something to check proper values?

Maybe the truest fan would be the one who denies the existence of DW?
Or the one who always shares GLS´s opinions.

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It is a myth that DW is a bad album. A bad album is TSMR.

What's fact is it's their worst album, it's one of the worst albums to be released by a rock'n'roll band, and it's the most embarrassing thing The Rolling Stones have ever done.

How could an album that contains 2000 Man, 2000 Lightyears, In Another Land, Citadel and The Lantern ever be a "bad" album.

Because In Another Land and The Lantern are not good songs, therefor the album has huge holes in it. But you can't hear that.

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How could an album containing One Hit, Dirty Work, Harlem Shuffle, Fight, Hold Back, Winning Ugly, Too Rude, Sleep Tonight, Had It With You ever be a "bad" let alone "their worst" album.

Because.

One thing I gotta say about GHS is that it's got a lot of diversity to it. It featured songs with chord progressions much more complex than most Stones stuff. Although I know that's not always what most Stones fans want. It also features a lot of lovely playing by Mick Taylor. I think it holds up pretty well.

"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."

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Your discussions is so funny, but I have another question.

What are characteristic features of a real true Stones fan? Is there any handbook or something to check proper values?

Maybe the truest fan would be the one who denies the existence of DW?
Or the one who always shares GLS´s opinions.

The Real True Stones Fan Handbook states: A real true Stones fan can, will and does admit that DIRTY WORK is horrible, their worst album and the most embarrassing thing The Rolling Stones ever did.


Anyone that shares my opinions or has similar opinions is acting on their own accord and understands facts, quality, songwriting, etc. Hence why GOATS HEAD SOUP is such a good album: it's not BEGGARS BANQUET, it's not LET IT BLEED, it's not STICKY FINGERS, it's not EXILE ON MAIN STREET. What it is is the sound of a band taking a breath from an intense period of activity and creativity with a different kind of creativity. Had they made something just as good as those albums - no one would complain. But if they had made EOMS2 or whatever, people would be flogging the shit out of them for resting on their laurels or imitating themselves (which they did much later and quite poorly at that).

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in many ways, ER is superior to SG (my favourite album), because of better playing and more developed arranging.

Truer words have never been spoken. ER is indeed superior to SG, better songs, better playing, better singing... everything´s better on ER. The only good thing about overrated SG is that the Stones sounded fresh and re-energized again, but most songs on SG are mediocre. The way they executed the album is much more enjoyable than the album itself.

Emotional Rescue is terrible. A better album could have been compiled from the Some Girls bonus material and Tattoo You material. Aside from Let Me Go and She's So Cold it's horrible.

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They should have included Criss Cross and Seperately and put Winter and Hide Your Love on B-sides - enough to make it a good album.

Criss Cross should have replaced Can You Hear The Music? in my opinion.

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in many ways, ER is superior to SG (my favourite album), because of better playing and more developed arranging.

Truer words have never been spoken. ER is indeed superior to SG, better songs, better playing, better singing... everything´s better on ER. The only good thing about overrated SG is that the Stones sounded fresh and re-energized again, but most songs on SG are mediocre. The way they executed the album is much more enjoyable than the album itself.

Emotional Rescue is terrible. A better album could have been compiled from the Some Girls bonus material and Tattoo You material. Aside from Let Me Go and She's So Cold it's horrible.

Ha! All About You, Dance and Down In The Hole are better than anything on SG.