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VoodooLounge13
Let's make it a double CD then. Have Disc 1 be all new original songs, with Jordan on drums, and have Disc 2 be leftovers/new songs with Charlie, and have the back photo on the album be the closed drumkit photo that Keef had posted on his account. IDK. I don't know how to manage the effects of this. At the time I came into the band, losing Bill was going on, and it just didn't hit me the same as Charlie, mainly because there wasn't the decades of built up attachment yet. The Stones are down to just two now, same as The Who, though arguably still a much better live spectacle.
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VoodooLounge13
I truly hope not. Honest to God. Seeing them in concert without Charlie was one thing. An album that has anyone else on drums besides Charlie is not a Rolling Stones record. If Steve is there to play drums on the B-Sides, that I could live with. But on the actual official album to be released???? Absolutely not. Sacrilege. My heart will break more.
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VoodooLounge13
I truly hope not. Honest to God. Seeing them in concert without Charlie was one thing. An album that has anyone else on drums besides Charlie is not a Rolling Stones record. If Steve is there to play drums on the B-Sides, that I could live with. But on the actual official album to be released???? Absolutely not. Sacrilege. My heart will break more.
Fully agree!
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ribbelchips
I would fully understand it if Steve plays drums on most of the tracks. Since the eighties or so Charlie was only involved in the final part of the recording process. So many of the demo's Mick and Keith recorded in the last couple of years would be without Charlie on drums. I doubt if they did studio work during the Covid years. Charlie probably played his drum-part for Ghost Town from his home. And when I listen to the song, I often wonder if it's really Charlie or a drum-computer...
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MonkeyMan2000
The drums for Ghost Town were certainly recorded in a studio. And I don‘t know where the fear comes from that Charlie won‘t be on the record. I think he said he finished his parts. He‘s been in the studio with them sporadically but on quite a few sessions over the past 10 years. And Keith said that we didn‘t hear the last of Charlie.
My guess is that the drums for the songs have long been tracked and that Keith and Mick now put the finishing touches on the Album.
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MonkeyMan2000
The drums for Ghost Town were certainly recorded in a studio. And I don‘t know where the fear comes from that Charlie won‘t be on the record. I think he said he finished his parts. He‘s been in the studio with them sporadically but on quite a few sessions over the past 10 years. And Keith said that we didn‘t hear the last of Charlie.
My guess is that the drums for the songs have long been tracked and that Keith and Mick now put the finishing touches on the Album.
Surely Charlie will be on a record. I guess the issue is will he be on all tracks or not (that is, if some other drummer will be on a cut or two). In the latter case the problem with a purist Stones fan is similar as skipping "You Can't Always Get What You Want" and "Tumbling Dice" in order to enjoy LET IT BLEED and EXILE ON MAIN STREET. A consistent purist should also skip the songs on which Mick Jagger is not singing lead vocals or the tracks on which there is no Keith Richards on guitar.
I guess we have a pseudo problem here, people (and we are just spending time while waiting the album to be released)...
- Doxa
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jahisnotdead
There aren't enough Stones albums, in my humble opinion. What hardcore Stones fan rejects new music by their favorite band? In my opinion, artists create. Active bands put out new albums. Active painters paint new paintings. I'm just old fashioned like that. To me it's weird to go on world tours year after year for the fans, but not put out new albums of original material. We know from the bootlegs that they got the stuff, but somehow there's some "performance anxiety" behind the scenes that prevents it from being finished and released.
I truly thought the new album had been put to bed long ago and this year was going to go according to a careful marketing plan. In this day and age what is a brick and mortar store for if not for an active "brand" offering something big to market? It just seems to me the Stones are more interested in selling tongue logo tee shirts than finishing and releasing any albums of new music.
Maybe I'm wrong and it still will come out before the middle of July, or by Christmas, and this recent recording stuff is really just the fine details on one or two tracks or simply them recording a promotional video. I sure hope so. But honestly, I'm beginning to give up hope.
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Rocky Dijon
The other dynamic is Keith's book which not only damaged his relationship with Mick, but with Charlie and Ronnie.
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MonkeyMan2000
The drums for Ghost Town were certainly recorded in a studio. And I don‘t know where the fear comes from that Charlie won‘t be on the record. I think he said he finished his parts. He‘s been in the studio with them sporadically but on quite a few sessions over the past 10 years. And Keith said that we didn‘t hear the last of Charlie.
My guess is that the drums for the songs have long been tracked and that Keith and Mick now put the finishing touches on the Album.
Surely Charlie will be on a record. I guess the issue is will he be on all tracks or not (that is, if some other drummer will be on a cut or two). In the latter case the problem with a purist Stones fan is similar as skipping "You Can't Always Get What You Want" and "Tumbling Dice" in order to enjoy LET IT BLEED and EXILE ON MAIN STREET. A consistent purist should also skip the songs on which Mick Jagger is not singing lead vocals or the tracks on which there is no Keith Richards on guitar.
I guess we have a pseudo problem here, people (and we are just spending time while waiting the album to be released)...
- Doxa
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Posted on timeisonourside:
Mid-to-late February 2022: Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, with Matt Clifford, are likely holding recording sessions at GeeJam Studios in the northeast Portland parish of Jamaica to resume work on the Rolling Stones' next album. (Mick Jagger posts pictures online on February 18 of his presence in the area, and reveals to a journalist he is there completing an album, while Matt Clifford posts a picture of a recording studio with Keith Richards' guitar, amplifier and picks.)
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MonkeyMan2000
The drums for Ghost Town were certainly recorded in a studio. And I don‘t know where the fear comes from that Charlie won‘t be on the record. I think he said he finished his parts. He‘s been in the studio with them sporadically but on quite a few sessions over the past 10 years. And Keith said that we didn‘t hear the last of Charlie.
My guess is that the drums for the songs have long been tracked and that Keith and Mick now put the finishing touches on the Album.
Surely Charlie will be on a record. I guess the issue is will he be on all tracks or not (that is, if some other drummer will be on a cut or two). In the latter case the problem with a purist Stones fan is similar as skipping "You Can't Always Get What You Want" and "Tumbling Dice" in order to enjoy LET IT BLEED and EXILE ON MAIN STREET. A consistent purist should also skip the songs on which Mick Jagger is not singing lead vocals or the tracks on which there is no Keith Richards on guitar.
I guess we have a pseudo problem here, people (and we are just spending time while waiting the album to be released)...
- Doxa
I have one wish only: That is to have all the included tracks that Charlie would be on, to introduce the album. Those tracks will then finalize the era with Charlie Watts as the drummer of the Rolling Stones.
(That is, if the band not happens to release more recorded material later on, which, even if great enough to be included in the first instance, stylistically does not quite fit in. If so, preferably follow the same procedure. That to me would feel right in some loyalty way towards Charlie.)
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Hairball
Looking forward to another new Stones single hopefully, and anything beyond that is pretty much a fantasy and a dream.
Maybe a tune with freshly written lyrics regarding the current situation in the world, and hopefully one that has Charlie on drums.
Mick seems keen to try and be seen as relevant and contemporary in recent years with mixed results ala the Stonesy good Ghost Town, and the terribly inferior Getta Grip, England Lost, etc..
Wondering if he'll be newly inspired, and if so, hopefully it will be something that Keith is willing to get on board with as another Mick solo tune would be completely unwelcome and unfortunate at this point.
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Hairball
Looking forward to another new Stones single hopefully, and anything beyond that is pretty much a fantasy and a dream.
Maybe a tune with freshly written lyrics regarding the current situation in the world, and hopefully one that has Charlie on drums.
Mick seems keen to try and be seen as relevant and contemporary in recent years with mixed results ala the Stonesy good Ghost Town, and the terribly inferior Getta Grip, England Lost, etc..
Wondering if he'll be newly inspired, and if so, hopefully it will be something that Keith is willing to get on board with as another Mick solo tune would be completely unwelcome and unfortunate at this point.
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Hairball
Looking forward to another new Stones single hopefully, and anything beyond that is pretty much a fantasy and a dream.
Maybe a tune with freshly written lyrics regarding the current situation in the world, and hopefully one that has Charlie on drums.
Mick seems keen to try and be seen as relevant and contemporary in recent years with mixed results ala the Stonesy good Ghost Town, and the terribly inferior Getta Grip, England Lost, etc..
Wondering if he'll be newly inspired, and if so, hopefully it will be something that Keith is willing to get on board with as another Mick solo tune would be completely unwelcome and unfortunate at this point.
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gotdablouse
And when do you think that new album might be announced ? If it's not next week, and again what are the odds of that absent any of the tiniest hints, it won't be until they get a chance to promote it with another tour...