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That's my impression, too. They'd already planned to have a few new tracks added to the compilation, so it made sense to go through the half-a-dozen or so that they had, and then whittle it down to the four best ones. How many additional numbers were tried out? 3 or 4?
Well, 30 is rather a lot! I stand corrected, I guess! Still, we’ll never know all the details. What was leaked a few years’ back was fascinating, though. I really enjoyed the run-through they did of Keith’s ‘Trouble’; of course, it’s quite different in ‘02, and titled ‘Just Because’
It's the Stones, after all. They're always good for something no bad!
Because that's what they said at the 2002 Blimp press conference! Keith even adding that there was just one small problem about the couple of new tracks for Licks is that they hadn't recorded anything yet but would be meeting in Paris. Clearly it went much better than expected (the "30 tracks" "best tracks in years" stories peddled by Keith) but also the nice tracks that got leaked in 2018. The problem it seems is that there were practically no Keith tracks apart from Trouble or Hurricane.
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Ronnie said in an interview (I believe it is found in the Taschen volume?, Anyways, one of the coffee table books) that they recorded enough material for an album and would have needed one or two more weeks to finish it for release but couldn't because of the upcoming tour that got in the way.
The hitherto unknown (to me, at least) songs on the Paris Sessions boot would sure have been nice album tracks. Pity they never returned to them (maybe they do now?). “Just because” developed into the (in my view, much better) “Trouble”. Maybe the fact that the song was rehearsed with the Stones and then became a Keith solo tune indicates that Mick was not so keen on keeping it?
What’s not known (or so I think) is whether Ronnie’s statement included the songs that ended up on 40 Licks or if he was referring to additional songs.
That's the usual Keith talk, like, "the band is hot, fresh off the road, let's keep the ball rolling" ... but before that kick back a bit in Jamaica, then relax on some island, then Patty needs someone to take care of the jammed sink pipes, and someone needs to walk the dog ... May well be that Keith has such honest intentions, it just seems that in the end, never anything really became of them and they just trickled away. And Keith going into a studio to work on new songs while a tour is going on? I don’t know if there were any precedents but that sounds very unlikely to me.
30 new tracks? I think it's more like 30 new rough sketches with Jagger phantom lyrics that would have needed a lot more work to turn them into releasable songs as Keith himself indicated by stating "maybe I'll find time to start working on them". "Start working", eventually! "See if there's an album in there..."! In the end, it wasn't, the outcome was 4 new songs on a compilation.
I still think their original intention was not to record a whole new album, but just a handful of tracks for 40 Licks. The sessions may have turned out more prolific than expected, but obviously not prolific enough to convince the band that they had a whole new album in their hands.
I'm pretty sure now that the book I was referring to earlier was "According to the Rolling Stones". Unfortunately I don't have it at hand to check what Ronnie said exactly (... Rockman? ...), but that is like I remember it, like, they went to Paris to cut a few tracks and suddenly (or in the end) had enough songs for an album. If they (i.e., Mick and Keith) had ever seriously been toying with the idea of making those songs into an album of its own or if that's just Ronnie is a different question.
it is that book page 298 and 300
and what you quote ronnie saying is correct
plus he says they recorded 24 other songs besides the 4 that are on 40 licks
then he goes on to say that mick and keith were getting along and working together well and that he was "quite happy that they were getting on and that the songs were flowing"
he even mentions that he contributed a couple songs as well
sorry i can't post picture of from the book but as you said kinda rockman area of expertise
Replacing the term "songs" with "rough ideas" comes probably a bit closer to the truth.
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your probably right there but some of the outtakes like dreams are more then just rough ideas
still hope the rest of the outtakes from these sessions (and babylon) show up eventually
someone seems to have them right?
Looks like the "best" stuff has been used (40 Licks, A Bigger Bang, 4 Flicks & "Hurricane" CD-Single), so I don't really wanna know what the quality of the rest is like (and probably neither the band!).
And, possibly, in the Fully Finished Outtakes set from last year?
Rod
Nice. Sharp!
That LYL quip aside... no argument from me. They did operate on contractual agreements.
Too bad that was not a consideration post-1997.
Where, exactly, did you ever read such a thing?
I think it was only rumoured here, likely because they did quite a few duets in 2013. Never heard an "inside rumour" as far as I can recall. But maybe that's just me.
From what little I've read, they intentionally recorded songs for the greatest hits package, not for a new album, even though they recorded enough to consider a new album. Based on the results of FORTY LICKS, the hits comp was a cross promotion of the ABKCO reissues and... nothing new from Virgin. I've never found out why, exactly, and if someone has any info on that, great, but it was hailed as a first time ever... of course it was, because it was. Were there some people at Virgin thinking Wow! We could have our very own catalog version of HOT ROCKS with REWIND? or whatever, that kind of mentality?
Seems logical - and why not.
1977.
At the time prior to the band's 40th Anniversary, Virgin was mainly keen on a career-spanning compilation. It even went as far as threatening ABKCO with the prospect of the Stones re-recording pre-1971 material in case they were not willing to cooperate.
That's exactly what someone high in Virgin's food chain told me. I remember very well how disappointed I was to learn that there was little to no interest on Virgin's side in releasing previously unreleased material from the archives for this occasion.
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So far, LOL, it's just 24FPS that thinks so!
Although a little bit hazy, it probably comes from when they started having guest singers, which kicked in with the VOODOO LOUNGE tour. Sure, there's 1989... but in 1994 a "trend" started. It seemed to culminate on the bonus HONK album. So it's not just 24FPS thinking that, really.
I'm sure there are a few here that can go into it way more than I can but I'm gonna guess that, for whatever reason it is, the live recordings with various guest spots, as Mick likes to say, made sense in the sense of just that, and on the fly/live as opposed to getting together with in studios and... they kind of admitted with STRIPPED that they (more likely Virgin Records) were paying some attention to MTV Unplugged. Seeing that they record every show, having guests and releasing, as bunk as it was, for me the only interesting track was Mr D, a live album featuring other artists with another greatest hits comp - tells you why those "duets" were included.
How interesting.
I can not recall ever seeing such a thing stated regarding the re-recordings.
The unreleased material though... seems they had an eye towards VOODOO single B-sides. Awesome endeavor since only one track got released.
Well, I think I mentioned it here some years ago already... must have been one of the best well-kept secrects until I finally broke the silence!
Concerning the VOODOO single B-sides - I really don't know who pulled the plug on the other archive tracks Kimsey dug out.
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I guess the point of Virgin was to get the most from their artist commercially. The bulk of their contract was still new releases, and still back then new Stones albums were a big payday for anyone involved. Add there the prospect of the first whole career covering greatest hits collection and if memory serves FORTY LICKS turned out to be the best selling album in Virgin years. They put all the bullets there (including a couple of new tracks). Releasing old unreleased material was then like now a diehard fan item, with not such a commercially awarding possibilities. I guess the band wasn't either that into 'looking back' yet.
Just thinking out loud the rationale there...
- Doxa
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Re: New Stones album for 2022?
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Big Al
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Date: February 10, 2022 14:59
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It's possible, indeed. On the other hand, it's also possible than unlike GRRR! a decade later when they entered the studio with just two tracks already singled out, the situation may have been a bit "looser" in Paris, like, "we need 3 or 4 new tracks, so everybody please bring a couple of ideas/sketches so we can see what we can do with 'em!".
I want to believe the latter, because the Stones having an album in mind and ultimately failing to deliver already 20 years ago is a rather uncomforting thought!
That's my impression, too. They'd already planned to have a few new tracks added to the compilation, so it made sense to go through the half-a-dozen or so that they had, and then whittle it down to the four best ones. How many additional numbers were tried out? 3 or 4?
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
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Date: February 10, 2022 15:28
They recorded 30 new tracks.
Quote from Keith from timeisonourside.com:
'(W)e've got (new tracks) in the can, and in a way I'm going to try to work on them and see if there's an album in there or the beginnings of an album or what. It seems like there's a lot there and it was a very profitable and prolific month in Paris, so I'm not going to just let them sit in the can and forget about them. But at the moment I can't do anything but this. But once this tour gets going, maybe I'll find some time to start working on them'.
- Keith Richards, August 2002
Quote from Keith from timeisonourside.com:
'(W)e've got (new tracks) in the can, and in a way I'm going to try to work on them and see if there's an album in there or the beginnings of an album or what. It seems like there's a lot there and it was a very profitable and prolific month in Paris, so I'm not going to just let them sit in the can and forget about them. But at the moment I can't do anything but this. But once this tour gets going, maybe I'll find some time to start working on them'.
- Keith Richards, August 2002
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: February 10, 2022 19:15
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DandelionPowderman
They recorded 30 new tracks.
Quote from Keith from timeisonourside.com:
'(W)e've got (new tracks) in the can, and in a way I'm going to try to work on them and see if there's an album in there or the beginnings of an album or what. It seems like there's a lot there and it was a very profitable and prolific month in Paris, so I'm not going to just let them sit in the can and forget about them. But at the moment I can't do anything but this. But once this tour gets going, maybe I'll find some time to start working on them'.
- Keith Richards, August 2002
Well, 30 is rather a lot! I stand corrected, I guess! Still, we’ll never know all the details. What was leaked a few years’ back was fascinating, though. I really enjoyed the run-through they did of Keith’s ‘Trouble’; of course, it’s quite different in ‘02, and titled ‘Just Because’
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
Stoneage
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Date: February 10, 2022 19:19
Congrats to this thread for soon to be 500 pages, 15,000 posts and 1,5 million views. Not bad for a non existing album!
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
doitywoik
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Date: February 10, 2022 20:18
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Stoneage
Congrats to this thread for soon to be 500 pages, 15,000 posts and 1,5 million views. Not bad for a non existing album!
It's the Stones, after all. They're always good for something no bad!
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
gotdablouse
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Date: February 10, 2022 20:36
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GasLightStreet
Don't ever quote me old... or whatever the saying is.
Yet... for those that continue with the "money" aspect of the Stones recording/releasing or not recording/releasing a new album because of sales:
None of it's got anything to do with money. I mean, it translates itself into money, but none of us is greatly concerned with making money. None of the pressures are concerned with money nor with image. I just try and make the best music I can.
Mick Jagger
1977
[timeisonourside.com]
That was then, this is now.
Fact is that since Bridges, they had no motivation whatsoever to go back into a "new album every 3 years"-mode and no contractual obligation either. They realized that they simply did not need regular releases of new music to keep the ball rolling.
Look, their idol Chuck Berry had 38 years between his second to last and last album. Compared to this timespan, we can consider ourselves lucky if we get the new (and likely last) Stones album this year.
Seemingly, they tried in 2001, in Paris, but scrapped the project?
Was it really a "new album" project that got scrapped? Or was their intention to record just a small handful of new tracks for the upcoming 40 Licks compilation right from the start? Just like for GRRR! a decade later?
given it kinda fit the right time frame 4 years after babylon
i'd always assumed it was for a new album
but they just couldn't get it right and ended up recycling it into 40 licks, the hurricane charity single, a bigger bang, and eventually crosseyed heart
what makes you think there purpose was just the 40 licks compilation?
as for the grrr! session that definetly seemed to just be for those 2 songs
Because that's what they said at the 2002 Blimp press conference! Keith even adding that there was just one small problem about the couple of new tracks for Licks is that they hadn't recorded anything yet but would be meeting in Paris. Clearly it went much better than expected (the "30 tracks" "best tracks in years" stories peddled by Keith) but also the nice tracks that got leaked in 2018. The problem it seems is that there were practically no Keith tracks apart from Trouble or Hurricane.
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Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
rolling1us
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Date: February 10, 2022 20:49
I truly think those old foxes are gonna surprise us all !!!
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
Hairball
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Date: February 10, 2022 21:08
Wow...made it to page 499. Almost reason to celebrate...or maybe mourn...still no new Stones album....
Meanwhile, good old Willie Nelson is releasing another new album on his 89th birthday in April, and after a quick listen to the first track, already sounds like a classic:
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Meanwhile, good old Willie Nelson is releasing another new album on his 89th birthday in April, and after a quick listen to the first track, already sounds like a classic:
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
doitywoik
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Date: February 10, 2022 21:12
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DandelionPowderman
Seemingly, they tried in 2001, in Paris, but scrapped the project?
Ronnie said in an interview (I believe it is found in the Taschen volume?, Anyways, one of the coffee table books) that they recorded enough material for an album and would have needed one or two more weeks to finish it for release but couldn't because of the upcoming tour that got in the way.
The hitherto unknown (to me, at least) songs on the Paris Sessions boot would sure have been nice album tracks. Pity they never returned to them (maybe they do now?). “Just because” developed into the (in my view, much better) “Trouble”. Maybe the fact that the song was rehearsed with the Stones and then became a Keith solo tune indicates that Mick was not so keen on keeping it?
What’s not known (or so I think) is whether Ronnie’s statement included the songs that ended up on 40 Licks or if he was referring to additional songs.
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DandelionPowderman
Quote from Keith from timeisonourside.com:
'It seems like there's a lot there and it was a very profitable and prolific month in Paris, so I'm not going to just let them sit in the can and forget about them. ... But once this tour gets going, maybe I'll find some time to start working on them'. - Keith Richards, August 2002
That's the usual Keith talk, like, "the band is hot, fresh off the road, let's keep the ball rolling" ... but before that kick back a bit in Jamaica, then relax on some island, then Patty needs someone to take care of the jammed sink pipes, and someone needs to walk the dog ... May well be that Keith has such honest intentions, it just seems that in the end, never anything really became of them and they just trickled away. And Keith going into a studio to work on new songs while a tour is going on? I don’t know if there were any precedents but that sounds very unlikely to me.
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
retired_dog
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Date: February 10, 2022 23:44
Quote
DandelionPowderman
They recorded 30 new tracks.
Quote from Keith from timeisonourside.com:
'(W)e've got (new tracks) in the can, and in a way I'm going to try to work on them and see if there's an album in there or the beginnings of an album or what. It seems like there's a lot there and it was a very profitable and prolific month in Paris, so I'm not going to just let them sit in the can and forget about them. But at the moment I can't do anything but this. But once this tour gets going, maybe I'll find some time to start working on them'.
- Keith Richards, August 2002
30 new tracks? I think it's more like 30 new rough sketches with Jagger phantom lyrics that would have needed a lot more work to turn them into releasable songs as Keith himself indicated by stating "maybe I'll find time to start working on them". "Start working", eventually! "See if there's an album in there..."! In the end, it wasn't, the outcome was 4 new songs on a compilation.
I still think their original intention was not to record a whole new album, but just a handful of tracks for 40 Licks. The sessions may have turned out more prolific than expected, but obviously not prolific enough to convince the band that they had a whole new album in their hands.
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
doitywoik
()
Date: February 11, 2022 01:02
Quote
retired_dog
I still think their original intention was not to record a whole new album, but just a handful of tracks for 40 Licks.
I'm pretty sure now that the book I was referring to earlier was "According to the Rolling Stones". Unfortunately I don't have it at hand to check what Ronnie said exactly (... Rockman? ...), but that is like I remember it, like, they went to Paris to cut a few tracks and suddenly (or in the end) had enough songs for an album. If they (i.e., Mick and Keith) had ever seriously been toying with the idea of making those songs into an album of its own or if that's just Ronnie is a different question.
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
retired_dog
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Date: February 11, 2022 02:10
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Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
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Date: February 11, 2022 05:38
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I still think their original intention was not to record a whole new album, but just a handful of tracks for 40 Licks.
I'm pretty sure now that the book I was referring to earlier was "According to the Rolling Stones". Unfortunately I don't have it at hand to check what Ronnie said exactly (... Rockman? ...), but that is like I remember it, like, they went to Paris to cut a few tracks and suddenly (or in the end) had enough songs for an album. If they (i.e., Mick and Keith) had ever seriously been toying with the idea of making those songs into an album of its own or if that's just Ronnie is a different question.
it is that book page 298 and 300
and what you quote ronnie saying is correct
plus he says they recorded 24 other songs besides the 4 that are on 40 licks
then he goes on to say that mick and keith were getting along and working together well and that he was "quite happy that they were getting on and that the songs were flowing"
he even mentions that he contributed a couple songs as well
sorry i can't post picture of from the book but as you said kinda rockman area of expertise
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
retired_dog
()
Date: February 11, 2022 05:47
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ProfessorWolfQuote
doitywoikQuote
retired_dog
I still think their original intention was not to record a whole new album, but just a handful of tracks for 40 Licks.
I'm pretty sure now that the book I was referring to earlier was "According to the Rolling Stones". Unfortunately I don't have it at hand to check what Ronnie said exactly (... Rockman? ...), but that is like I remember it, like, they went to Paris to cut a few tracks and suddenly (or in the end) had enough songs for an album. If they (i.e., Mick and Keith) had ever seriously been toying with the idea of making those songs into an album of its own or if that's just Ronnie is a different question.
it is that book page 298 and 300
and what you quote ronnie saying is correct
plus he says they recorded 24 other songs besides the 4 that are on 40 licks
then he goes on to say that mick and keith were getting along and working together well and that he was "quite happy that they were getting on and that the songs were flowing"
he even mentions that he contributed a couple songs as well
sorry i can't post picture of from the book but as you said kinda rockman area of expertise
Replacing the term "songs" with "rough ideas" comes probably a bit closer to the truth.
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Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: February 11, 2022 05:50
also from nico's site
020200A late February - early March: Ocho Rios, Jamaica, KR’s house MJ and KR work on new songs for the upcoming album Forty Licks. Unverified
and
020513A 13th May - 7th June: THE ROLLING STONES. Suresnes (near Paris), France, Studio Guillaume Tell. Producers: The Glimmer Twins & Don Was. Sound engineer: Ed Cherney. Recording sessions for the upcoming album Forty Licks.
Additional musicians: Chuck Leavell (keyb), Darryl Jones (bass), Blondie
Chaplin (perc). Incl.
- Cried Out (MJ/KR)-embryonic version of Laugh, I Nearly Died
- Don’t Stop I (MJ/KR) -early mix
- Don’t Stop II (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Don’t Stop III (MJ/KR) -edit
- Don’t Stop IV (MJ/KR) -New Rock Mix
- Don’t Stop V (MJ/KR) -Call Out Hook
- Dreams (MJ/KR)
- Extreme Western Grip (MJ/KR/RW/CW) -Four Flicks-version
- Hurricane (MJ/KR)
- Just Because I (MJ/KR) -early version of KR's Trouble
- Just Because II (MJ/KR) -second early version, under title Because?
- Keys To Your Love I (MJ/KR) -early mix
- Keys To Your Love II (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Losing My Touch (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Love Is A Test (MJ/KR)
- Love Is For Me (Art Neville/George Porter Jr./Leo Nocentelli/Ziggy Modeliste)-unconfirmed
- Only Found Out Yesterday (KR) -unverified
- Smooth 180 (MJ/KR) -KR on vocals; unverified
- Stealing My Heart (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Still In Love VII (MJ/KR) -unverified recut
- U Don't Wanna (MJ/KR)
- Well Well (MJ/KR/RW/CW) -Four Flicks-version
- When I Call Your Name (MJ/KR?)
+ unknown blues ( ) -rehearsal ("You Better Leave That Man Alone")
+ some more (probably all unfinished; 28 songs/ideas in all)
020200A late February - early March: Ocho Rios, Jamaica, KR’s house MJ and KR work on new songs for the upcoming album Forty Licks. Unverified
and
020513A 13th May - 7th June: THE ROLLING STONES. Suresnes (near Paris), France, Studio Guillaume Tell. Producers: The Glimmer Twins & Don Was. Sound engineer: Ed Cherney. Recording sessions for the upcoming album Forty Licks.
Additional musicians: Chuck Leavell (keyb), Darryl Jones (bass), Blondie
Chaplin (perc). Incl.
- Cried Out (MJ/KR)-embryonic version of Laugh, I Nearly Died
- Don’t Stop I (MJ/KR) -early mix
- Don’t Stop II (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Don’t Stop III (MJ/KR) -edit
- Don’t Stop IV (MJ/KR) -New Rock Mix
- Don’t Stop V (MJ/KR) -Call Out Hook
- Dreams (MJ/KR)
- Extreme Western Grip (MJ/KR/RW/CW) -Four Flicks-version
- Hurricane (MJ/KR)
- Just Because I (MJ/KR) -early version of KR's Trouble
- Just Because II (MJ/KR) -second early version, under title Because?
- Keys To Your Love I (MJ/KR) -early mix
- Keys To Your Love II (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Losing My Touch (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Love Is A Test (MJ/KR)
- Love Is For Me (Art Neville/George Porter Jr./Leo Nocentelli/Ziggy Modeliste)-unconfirmed
- Only Found Out Yesterday (KR) -unverified
- Smooth 180 (MJ/KR) -KR on vocals; unverified
- Stealing My Heart (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Still In Love VII (MJ/KR) -unverified recut
- U Don't Wanna (MJ/KR)
- Well Well (MJ/KR/RW/CW) -Four Flicks-version
- When I Call Your Name (MJ/KR?)
+ unknown blues ( ) -rehearsal ("You Better Leave That Man Alone")
+ some more (probably all unfinished; 28 songs/ideas in all)
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: February 11, 2022 05:54
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I still think their original intention was not to record a whole new album, but just a handful of tracks for 40 Licks.
I'm pretty sure now that the book I was referring to earlier was "According to the Rolling Stones". Unfortunately I don't have it at hand to check what Ronnie said exactly (... Rockman? ...), but that is like I remember it, like, they went to Paris to cut a few tracks and suddenly (or in the end) had enough songs for an album. If they (i.e., Mick and Keith) had ever seriously been toying with the idea of making those songs into an album of its own or if that's just Ronnie is a different question.
it is that book page 298 and 300
and what you quote ronnie saying is correct
plus he says they recorded 24 other songs besides the 4 that are on 40 licks
then he goes on to say that mick and keith were getting along and working together well and that he was "quite happy that they were getting on and that the songs were flowing"
he even mentions that he contributed a couple songs as well
sorry i can't post picture of from the book but as you said kinda rockman area of expertise
Replacing the term "songs" with "rough ideas" comes probably a bit closer to the truth.
your probably right there but some of the outtakes like dreams are more then just rough ideas
still hope the rest of the outtakes from these sessions (and babylon) show up eventually
someone seems to have them right?
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
retired_dog
()
Date: February 11, 2022 06:02
Quote
ProfessorWolf
also from nico's site
020200A late February - early March: Ocho Rios, Jamaica, KR’s house MJ and KR work on new songs for the upcoming album Forty Licks. Unverified
and
020513A 13th May - 7th June: THE ROLLING STONES. Suresnes (near Paris), France, Studio Guillaume Tell. Producers: The Glimmer Twins & Don Was. Sound engineer: Ed Cherney. Recording sessions for the upcoming album Forty Licks.
Additional musicians: Chuck Leavell (keyb), Darryl Jones (bass), Blondie
Chaplin (perc). Incl.
- Cried Out (MJ/KR)-embryonic version of Laugh, I Nearly Died
- Don’t Stop I (MJ/KR) -early mix
- Don’t Stop II (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Don’t Stop III (MJ/KR) -edit
- Don’t Stop IV (MJ/KR) -New Rock Mix
- Don’t Stop V (MJ/KR) -Call Out Hook
- Dreams (MJ/KR)
- Extreme Western Grip (MJ/KR/RW/CW) -Four Flicks-version
- Hurricane (MJ/KR)
- Just Because I (MJ/KR) -early version of KR's Trouble
- Just Because II (MJ/KR) -second early version, under title Because?
- Keys To Your Love I (MJ/KR) -early mix
- Keys To Your Love II (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Losing My Touch (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Love Is A Test (MJ/KR)
- Love Is For Me (Art Neville/George Porter Jr./Leo Nocentelli/Ziggy Modeliste)-unconfirmed
- Only Found Out Yesterday (KR) -unverified
- Smooth 180 (MJ/KR) -KR on vocals; unverified
- Stealing My Heart (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Still In Love VII (MJ/KR) -unverified recut
- U Don't Wanna (MJ/KR)
- Well Well (MJ/KR/RW/CW) -Four Flicks-version
- When I Call Your Name (MJ/KR?)
+ unknown blues ( ) -rehearsal ("You Better Leave That Man Alone")
+ some more (probably all unfinished; 28 songs/ideas in all)
Looks like the "best" stuff has been used (40 Licks, A Bigger Bang, 4 Flicks & "Hurricane" CD-Single), so I don't really wanna know what the quality of the rest is like (and probably neither the band!).
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
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Date: February 11, 2022 06:04
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Re: New Stones album for 2022?
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Date: February 11, 2022 07:15
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also from nico's site
020200A late February - early March: Ocho Rios, Jamaica, KR’s house MJ and KR work on new songs for the upcoming album Forty Licks. Unverified
and
020513A 13th May - 7th June: THE ROLLING STONES. Suresnes (near Paris), France, Studio Guillaume Tell. Producers: The Glimmer Twins & Don Was. Sound engineer: Ed Cherney. Recording sessions for the upcoming album Forty Licks.
Additional musicians: Chuck Leavell (keyb), Darryl Jones (bass), Blondie
Chaplin (perc). Incl.
- Cried Out (MJ/KR)-embryonic version of Laugh, I Nearly Died
- Don’t Stop I (MJ/KR) -early mix
- Don’t Stop II (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Don’t Stop III (MJ/KR) -edit
- Don’t Stop IV (MJ/KR) -New Rock Mix
- Don’t Stop V (MJ/KR) -Call Out Hook
- Dreams (MJ/KR)
- Extreme Western Grip (MJ/KR/RW/CW) -Four Flicks-version
- Hurricane (MJ/KR)
- Just Because I (MJ/KR) -early version of KR's Trouble
- Just Because II (MJ/KR) -second early version, under title Because?
- Keys To Your Love I (MJ/KR) -early mix
- Keys To Your Love II (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Losing My Touch (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Love Is A Test (MJ/KR)
- Love Is For Me (Art Neville/George Porter Jr./Leo Nocentelli/Ziggy Modeliste)-unconfirmed
- Only Found Out Yesterday (KR) -unverified
- Smooth 180 (MJ/KR) -KR on vocals; unverified
- Stealing My Heart (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Still In Love VII (MJ/KR) -unverified recut
- U Don't Wanna (MJ/KR)
- Well Well (MJ/KR/RW/CW) -Four Flicks-version
- When I Call Your Name (MJ/KR?)
+ unknown blues ( ) -rehearsal ("You Better Leave That Man Alone")
+ some more (probably all unfinished; 28 songs/ideas in all)
Looks like the "best" stuff has been used (40 Licks, A Bigger Bang, 4 Flicks & "Hurricane" CD-Single), so I don't really wanna know what the quality of the rest is like (and probably neither the band!).
And, possibly, in the Fully Finished Outtakes set from last year?
Rod
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Date: February 11, 2022 08:53
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Don't ever quote me old... or whatever the saying is.
Yet... for those that continue with the "money" aspect of the Stones recording/releasing or not recording/releasing a new album because of sales:
None of it's got anything to do with money. I mean, it translates itself into money, but none of us is greatly concerned with making money. None of the pressures are concerned with money nor with image. I just try and make the best music I can.
Mick Jagger
1977
[timeisonourside.com]
That was then, this is now.
Fact is that since Bridges, they had no motivation whatsoever to go back into a "new album every 3 years"-mode and no contractual obligation either. They realized that they simply did not need regular releases of new music to keep the ball rolling.
Look, their idol Chuck Berry had 38 years between his second to last and last album. Compared to this timespan, we can consider ourselves lucky if we get the new (and likely last) Stones album this year.
Nice. Sharp!
That LYL quip aside... no argument from me. They did operate on contractual agreements.
Too bad that was not a consideration post-1997.
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Date: February 11, 2022 08:54
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24FPS
Thank god they never came out with that rumored duets album.
Where, exactly, did you ever read such a thing?
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Date: February 11, 2022 09:06
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Thank god they never came out with that rumored duets album.
Where, exactly, did you ever read such a thing?
I think it was only rumoured here, likely because they did quite a few duets in 2013. Never heard an "inside rumour" as far as I can recall. But maybe that's just me.
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
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GasLightStreet
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Date: February 11, 2022 09:06
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GasLightStreet
Don't ever quote me old... or whatever the saying is.
Yet... for those that continue with the "money" aspect of the Stones recording/releasing or not recording/releasing a new album because of sales:
None of it's got anything to do with money. I mean, it translates itself into money, but none of us is greatly concerned with making money. None of the pressures are concerned with money nor with image. I just try and make the best music I can.
Mick Jagger
1977
[timeisonourside.com]
That was then, this is now.
Fact is that since Bridges, they had no motivation whatsoever to go back into a "new album every 3 years"-mode and no contractual obligation either. They realized that they simply did not need regular releases of new music to keep the ball rolling.
Look, their idol Chuck Berry had 38 years between his second to last and last album. Compared to this timespan, we can consider ourselves lucky if we get the new (and likely last) Stones album this year.
Seemingly, they tried in 2001, in Paris, but scrapped the project?
Was it really a "new album" project that got scrapped? Or was their intention to record just a small handful of new tracks for the upcoming 40 Licks compilation right from the start? Just like for GRRR! a decade later?
We don't know that. However, they spent quite some time recording in Paris, and the leaked "Licks Sessions" showed a range of material that lead me to believe that had they been satisfied with the outcome, we might have gotten an album instead of the four tracks on 40 Licks.
It's possible, indeed. On the other hand, it's also possible than unlike GRRR! a decade later when they entered the studio with just two tracks already singled out, the situation may have been a bit "looser" in Paris, like, "we need 3 or 4 new tracks, so everybody please bring a couple of ideas/sketches so we can see what we can do with 'em!".
I want to believe the latter, because the Stones having an album in mind and ultimately failing to deliver already 20 years ago is a rather uncomforting thought!
From what little I've read, they intentionally recorded songs for the greatest hits package, not for a new album, even though they recorded enough to consider a new album. Based on the results of FORTY LICKS, the hits comp was a cross promotion of the ABKCO reissues and... nothing new from Virgin. I've never found out why, exactly, and if someone has any info on that, great, but it was hailed as a first time ever... of course it was, because it was. Were there some people at Virgin thinking Wow! We could have our very own catalog version of HOT ROCKS with REWIND? or whatever, that kind of mentality?
Seems logical - and why not.
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Date: February 11, 2022 09:11
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They recorded 30 new tracks.
Quote from Keith from timeisonourside.com:
'(W)e've got (new tracks) in the can, and in a way I'm going to try to work on them and see if there's an album in there or the beginnings of an album or what. It seems like there's a lot there and it was a very profitable and prolific month in Paris, so I'm not going to just let them sit in the can and forget about them. But at the moment I can't do anything but this. But once this tour gets going, maybe I'll find some time to start working on them'.
- Keith Richards, August 2002
30 new tracks? I think it's more like 30 new rough sketches with Jagger phantom lyrics that would have needed a lot more work to turn them into releasable songs as Keith himself indicated by stating "maybe I'll find time to start working on them". "Start working", eventually! "See if there's an album in there..."! In the end, it wasn't, the outcome was 4 new songs on a compilation.
I still think their original intention was not to record a whole new album, but just a handful of tracks for 40 Licks. The sessions may have turned out more prolific than expected, but obviously not prolific enough to convince the band that they had a whole new album in their hands.
1977.
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
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Date: February 11, 2022 09:17
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Don't ever quote me old... or whatever the saying is.
Yet... for those that continue with the "money" aspect of the Stones recording/releasing or not recording/releasing a new album because of sales:
None of it's got anything to do with money. I mean, it translates itself into money, but none of us is greatly concerned with making money. None of the pressures are concerned with money nor with image. I just try and make the best music I can.
Mick Jagger
1977
[timeisonourside.com]
That was then, this is now.
Fact is that since Bridges, they had no motivation whatsoever to go back into a "new album every 3 years"-mode and no contractual obligation either. They realized that they simply did not need regular releases of new music to keep the ball rolling.
Look, their idol Chuck Berry had 38 years between his second to last and last album. Compared to this timespan, we can consider ourselves lucky if we get the new (and likely last) Stones album this year.
Seemingly, they tried in 2001, in Paris, but scrapped the project?
Was it really a "new album" project that got scrapped? Or was their intention to record just a small handful of new tracks for the upcoming 40 Licks compilation right from the start? Just like for GRRR! a decade later?
We don't know that. However, they spent quite some time recording in Paris, and the leaked "Licks Sessions" showed a range of material that lead me to believe that had they been satisfied with the outcome, we might have gotten an album instead of the four tracks on 40 Licks.
It's possible, indeed. On the other hand, it's also possible than unlike GRRR! a decade later when they entered the studio with just two tracks already singled out, the situation may have been a bit "looser" in Paris, like, "we need 3 or 4 new tracks, so everybody please bring a couple of ideas/sketches so we can see what we can do with 'em!".
I want to believe the latter, because the Stones having an album in mind and ultimately failing to deliver already 20 years ago is a rather uncomforting thought!
From what little I've read, they intentionally recorded songs for the greatest hits package, not for a new album, even though they recorded enough to consider a new album. Based on the results of FORTY LICKS, the hits comp was a cross promotion of the ABKCO reissues and... nothing new from Virgin. I've never found out why, exactly, and if someone has any info on that, great, but it was hailed as a first time ever... of course it was, because it was. Were there some people at Virgin thinking Wow! We could have our very own catalog version of HOT ROCKS with REWIND? or whatever, that kind of mentality?
Seems logical - and why not.
At the time prior to the band's 40th Anniversary, Virgin was mainly keen on a career-spanning compilation. It even went as far as threatening ABKCO with the prospect of the Stones re-recording pre-1971 material in case they were not willing to cooperate.
That's exactly what someone high in Virgin's food chain told me. I remember very well how disappointed I was to learn that there was little to no interest on Virgin's side in releasing previously unreleased material from the archives for this occasion.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2022-02-11 09:31 by retired_dog.
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
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GasLightStreet
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Date: February 11, 2022 09:31
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Thank god they never came out with that rumored duets album.
Where, exactly, did you ever read such a thing?
I think it was only rumoured here, likely because they did quite a few duets in 2013. Never heard an "inside rumour" as far as I can recall. But maybe that's just me.
So far, LOL, it's just 24FPS that thinks so!
Although a little bit hazy, it probably comes from when they started having guest singers, which kicked in with the VOODOO LOUNGE tour. Sure, there's 1989... but in 1994 a "trend" started. It seemed to culminate on the bonus HONK album. So it's not just 24FPS thinking that, really.
I'm sure there are a few here that can go into it way more than I can but I'm gonna guess that, for whatever reason it is, the live recordings with various guest spots, as Mick likes to say, made sense in the sense of just that, and on the fly/live as opposed to getting together with in studios and... they kind of admitted with STRIPPED that they (more likely Virgin Records) were paying some attention to MTV Unplugged. Seeing that they record every show, having guests and releasing, as bunk as it was, for me the only interesting track was Mr D, a live album featuring other artists with another greatest hits comp - tells you why those "duets" were included.
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GasLightStreet
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Date: February 11, 2022 09:34
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GasLightStreet
Don't ever quote me old... or whatever the saying is.
Yet... for those that continue with the "money" aspect of the Stones recording/releasing or not recording/releasing a new album because of sales:
None of it's got anything to do with money. I mean, it translates itself into money, but none of us is greatly concerned with making money. None of the pressures are concerned with money nor with image. I just try and make the best music I can.
Mick Jagger
1977
[timeisonourside.com]
That was then, this is now.
Fact is that since Bridges, they had no motivation whatsoever to go back into a "new album every 3 years"-mode and no contractual obligation either. They realized that they simply did not need regular releases of new music to keep the ball rolling.
Look, their idol Chuck Berry had 38 years between his second to last and last album. Compared to this timespan, we can consider ourselves lucky if we get the new (and likely last) Stones album this year.
Seemingly, they tried in 2001, in Paris, but scrapped the project?
Was it really a "new album" project that got scrapped? Or was their intention to record just a small handful of new tracks for the upcoming 40 Licks compilation right from the start? Just like for GRRR! a decade later?
We don't know that. However, they spent quite some time recording in Paris, and the leaked "Licks Sessions" showed a range of material that lead me to believe that had they been satisfied with the outcome, we might have gotten an album instead of the four tracks on 40 Licks.
It's possible, indeed. On the other hand, it's also possible than unlike GRRR! a decade later when they entered the studio with just two tracks already singled out, the situation may have been a bit "looser" in Paris, like, "we need 3 or 4 new tracks, so everybody please bring a couple of ideas/sketches so we can see what we can do with 'em!".
I want to believe the latter, because the Stones having an album in mind and ultimately failing to deliver already 20 years ago is a rather uncomforting thought!
From what little I've read, they intentionally recorded songs for the greatest hits package, not for a new album, even though they recorded enough to consider a new album. Based on the results of FORTY LICKS, the hits comp was a cross promotion of the ABKCO reissues and... nothing new from Virgin. I've never found out why, exactly, and if someone has any info on that, great, but it was hailed as a first time ever... of course it was, because it was. Were there some people at Virgin thinking Wow! We could have our very own catalog version of HOT ROCKS with REWIND? or whatever, that kind of mentality?
Seems logical - and why not.
At the time prior to the band's 40th Anniversary, Virgin was mainly keen on a career-spanning compilation. It even went as far as threatening ABKCO with the prospect of the Stones re-recording pre-1971 material in case they were not willing to cooperate.
That's exactly what someone high in Virgin's food chain told me. I remember very well how disappointed I was to learn that there was little to no interest on Virgin's side in releasing previously unreleased material from the archives for this occasion.
How interesting.
I can not recall ever seeing such a thing stated regarding the re-recordings.
The unreleased material though... seems they had an eye towards VOODOO single B-sides. Awesome endeavor since only one track got released.
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Date: February 11, 2022 09:41
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Don't ever quote me old... or whatever the saying is.
Yet... for those that continue with the "money" aspect of the Stones recording/releasing or not recording/releasing a new album because of sales:
None of it's got anything to do with money. I mean, it translates itself into money, but none of us is greatly concerned with making money. None of the pressures are concerned with money nor with image. I just try and make the best music I can.
Mick Jagger
1977
[timeisonourside.com]
That was then, this is now.
Fact is that since Bridges, they had no motivation whatsoever to go back into a "new album every 3 years"-mode and no contractual obligation either. They realized that they simply did not need regular releases of new music to keep the ball rolling.
Look, their idol Chuck Berry had 38 years between his second to last and last album. Compared to this timespan, we can consider ourselves lucky if we get the new (and likely last) Stones album this year.
Seemingly, they tried in 2001, in Paris, but scrapped the project?
Was it really a "new album" project that got scrapped? Or was their intention to record just a small handful of new tracks for the upcoming 40 Licks compilation right from the start? Just like for GRRR! a decade later?
We don't know that. However, they spent quite some time recording in Paris, and the leaked "Licks Sessions" showed a range of material that lead me to believe that had they been satisfied with the outcome, we might have gotten an album instead of the four tracks on 40 Licks.
It's possible, indeed. On the other hand, it's also possible than unlike GRRR! a decade later when they entered the studio with just two tracks already singled out, the situation may have been a bit "looser" in Paris, like, "we need 3 or 4 new tracks, so everybody please bring a couple of ideas/sketches so we can see what we can do with 'em!".
I want to believe the latter, because the Stones having an album in mind and ultimately failing to deliver already 20 years ago is a rather uncomforting thought!
From what little I've read, they intentionally recorded songs for the greatest hits package, not for a new album, even though they recorded enough to consider a new album. Based on the results of FORTY LICKS, the hits comp was a cross promotion of the ABKCO reissues and... nothing new from Virgin. I've never found out why, exactly, and if someone has any info on that, great, but it was hailed as a first time ever... of course it was, because it was. Were there some people at Virgin thinking Wow! We could have our very own catalog version of HOT ROCKS with REWIND? or whatever, that kind of mentality?
Seems logical - and why not.
At the time prior to the band's 40th Anniversary, Virgin was mainly keen on a career-spanning compilation. It even went as far as threatening ABKCO with the prospect of the Stones re-recording pre-1971 material in case they were not willing to cooperate.
That's exactly what someone high in Virgin's food chain told me. I remember very well how disappointed I was to learn that there was little to no interest on Virgin's side in releasing previously unreleased material from the archives for this occasion.
How interesting.
I can not recall ever seeing such a thing stated regarding the re-recordings.
The unreleased material though... seems they had an eye towards VOODOO single B-sides. Awesome endeavor since only one track got released.
Well, I think I mentioned it here some years ago already... must have been one of the best well-kept secrects until I finally broke the silence!
Concerning the VOODOO single B-sides - I really don't know who pulled the plug on the other archive tracks Kimsey dug out.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022-02-11 09:48 by retired_dog.
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
KRiffhard
()
Date: February 11, 2022 10:38
C'mon boys!!! Straight to 500 pages!!! 
Now we don't want a new album anymore...we want 1000 pages!!!
Now we don't want a new album anymore...we want 1000 pages!!!
Re: New Stones album for 2022?
Posted by:
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Date: February 11, 2022 10:57
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Don't ever quote me old... or whatever the saying is.
Yet... for those that continue with the "money" aspect of the Stones recording/releasing or not recording/releasing a new album because of sales:
None of it's got anything to do with money. I mean, it translates itself into money, but none of us is greatly concerned with making money. None of the pressures are concerned with money nor with image. I just try and make the best music I can.
Mick Jagger
1977
[timeisonourside.com]
That was then, this is now.
Fact is that since Bridges, they had no motivation whatsoever to go back into a "new album every 3 years"-mode and no contractual obligation either. They realized that they simply did not need regular releases of new music to keep the ball rolling.
Look, their idol Chuck Berry had 38 years between his second to last and last album. Compared to this timespan, we can consider ourselves lucky if we get the new (and likely last) Stones album this year.
Seemingly, they tried in 2001, in Paris, but scrapped the project?
Was it really a "new album" project that got scrapped? Or was their intention to record just a small handful of new tracks for the upcoming 40 Licks compilation right from the start? Just like for GRRR! a decade later?
We don't know that. However, they spent quite some time recording in Paris, and the leaked "Licks Sessions" showed a range of material that lead me to believe that had they been satisfied with the outcome, we might have gotten an album instead of the four tracks on 40 Licks.
It's possible, indeed. On the other hand, it's also possible than unlike GRRR! a decade later when they entered the studio with just two tracks already singled out, the situation may have been a bit "looser" in Paris, like, "we need 3 or 4 new tracks, so everybody please bring a couple of ideas/sketches so we can see what we can do with 'em!".
I want to believe the latter, because the Stones having an album in mind and ultimately failing to deliver already 20 years ago is a rather uncomforting thought!
From what little I've read, they intentionally recorded songs for the greatest hits package, not for a new album, even though they recorded enough to consider a new album. Based on the results of FORTY LICKS, the hits comp was a cross promotion of the ABKCO reissues and... nothing new from Virgin. I've never found out why, exactly, and if someone has any info on that, great, but it was hailed as a first time ever... of course it was, because it was. Were there some people at Virgin thinking Wow! We could have our very own catalog version of HOT ROCKS with REWIND? or whatever, that kind of mentality?
Seems logical - and why not.
At the time prior to the band's 40th Anniversary, Virgin was mainly keen on a career-spanning compilation. It even went as far as threatening ABKCO with the prospect of the Stones re-recording pre-1971 material in case they were not willing to cooperate.
That's exactly what someone high in Virgin's food chain told me. I remember very well how disappointed I was to learn that there was little to no interest on Virgin's side in releasing previously unreleased material from the archives for this occasion.
I guess the point of Virgin was to get the most from their artist commercially. The bulk of their contract was still new releases, and still back then new Stones albums were a big payday for anyone involved. Add there the prospect of the first whole career covering greatest hits collection and if memory serves FORTY LICKS turned out to be the best selling album in Virgin years. They put all the bullets there (including a couple of new tracks). Releasing old unreleased material was then like now a diehard fan item, with not such a commercially awarding possibilities. I guess the band wasn't either that into 'looking back' yet.
Just thinking out loud the rationale there...
- Doxa
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2022-02-11 11:03 by Doxa.
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