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HighwireC
Do you believe, some "couple of good guys with concealed carry permits" would have had a real chance to stopp these terrorists using machine guns, really?
Show me one example, please ...
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HigfhwireC
Yes I obviously do or I wouldn't have said so.. I assure you if I was there, I would have tried to stop them. And if you were there and armed you probably would have too. I implore you not to continue the debate for obvious reasons..
But since you asked for examples:
[crimeresearch.org]
Seems to be a misperception of gun crimes in the US. I don't own a gun myself but I support the right of those who do. And yes we have the highest rate of gun ownership in the world, but when it comes to gun related crimes we don't even crack the top 100 countries in the world. That doesn't exactly suggest more guns = more violence.
Who told you that, the NFA?
Dandy, there are a lot of simple-minded people here in the US who believe that it would be better if everyone was walking around armed.
They come out after every such event, whether terrorist or Columbine, the Connecticut school, etc. and point out that if someone there had been armed, far fewer innocent people would have been killed, which is obviously true in all the cases. If there had been some good person in the Paris theater, armed, far fewer people would have been killed there.
However, does anyone really think that the overall quantum of shootings would be less if the general population in the US or Europe were walking around with handguns, that general mayhem would not prevail? Sadly, I think there are people here in my country who do.
Chicago has one of the most restrictive handgun laws in the country and also one of the highest rates of handgun crimes. Elsewhere you see similar situations in that gun-free zones have higher handgun crimes. Criminals don't obey laws and they know where they'll have less resistance.
That's the same as allowing rape and physical abuse. The criminals will do it anyway, so let's allow it in controlled forms?
Really?
Allowing someone to carry a handgun for their own protection is equal to legalizing rape and physical abuse? You lost me with that analogy...
Mind you I'm not a gun owner, I think they're dangerous to have in the home especially with children. But I understand why people do.
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Stoneage
Forget this "NRA" question. That's entirely a US debate. It's not a big question in Europe. And in this case: To respond to fire from a group of jihad terrorists
armed with automatic weapons you better be well equipped and organized...
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Agreed. Especially with all the "blaming"/politicizing going on. Sad and pathetic
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Agreed. Especially with all the "blaming"/politicizing going on. Sad and pathetic
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Surprised that this post hasn't been taken down yet.
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HighwireC
Do you believe, some "couple of good guys with concealed carry permits" would have had a real chance to stopp these terrorists using machine guns, really?
Show me one example, please ...
Peace.
HigfhwireC
Yes I obviously do or I wouldn't have said so.. I assure you if I was there, I would have tried to stop them. And if you were there and armed you probably would have too. I implore you not to continue the debate for obvious reasons..
But since you asked for examples:
[crimeresearch.org]
Seems to be a misperception of gun crimes in the US. I don't own a gun myself but I support the right of those who do. And yes we have the highest rate of gun ownership in the world, but when it comes to gun related crimes we don't even crack the top 100 countries in the world. That doesn't exactly suggest more guns = more violence.
Who told you that, the NFA?
Dandy, there are a lot of simple-minded people here in the US who believe that it would be better if everyone was walking around armed.
They come out after every such event, whether terrorist or Columbine, the Connecticut school, etc. and point out that if someone there had been armed, far fewer innocent people would have been killed, which is obviously true in all the cases. If there had been some good person in the Paris theater, armed, far fewer people would have been killed there.
However, does anyone really think that the overall quantum of shootings would be less if the general population in the US or Europe were walking around with handguns, that general mayhem would not prevail? Sadly, I think there are people here in my country who do.
Chicago has one of the most restrictive handgun laws in the country and also one of the highest rates of handgun crimes. Elsewhere you see similar situations in that gun-free zones have higher handgun crimes. Criminals don't obey laws and they know where they'll have less resistance.
That's the same as allowing rape and physical abuse. The criminals will do it anyway, so let's allow it in controlled forms?
Really?
Allowing someone to carry a handgun for their own protection is equal to legalizing rape and physical abuse? You lost me with that analogy...
Mind you I'm not a gun owner, I think they're dangerous to have in the home especially with children. But I understand why people do.
It was this sentence that caught my eye:
«Criminals don't obey laws and they know where they'll have less resistance»
Hence I wondered if you thought that easy access to weapons would solve the problem.
Giving in won't solve anything, imo. You gotta start somewhere. You live in a country with a quarter of a billion people, and there are bound to be thousands who never should get near a gun. Half of the people who carry for protection will get unlucky. It's a negative spiral...
But enough of politics for now
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DandelionPowderman
Is it off the main point if a potential terrorist can buy pretty heavy arms over the counter in the US, and those weapons are used in an attack later on?
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Turner 68
The topic of guns and gun control is not really relevant to the topic of terrorist attacks, because the number of people killed by terrorist attacks in the Europe and the USA is so small compared to the number of people killed by other causes.
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Turner 68
The topic of guns and gun control is not really relevant to the topic of terrorist attacks, because the number of people killed by terrorist attacks in the Europe and the USA is so small compared to the number of people killed by other causes.
The former has nothing to do with the first. It's a logical fallacy.
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Turner68,
I'm afraid that , yes the topic of gun control is very close to terrorism.
From Russia to USA, we have to associate our efforts to reduce the circulation of fire weapons.
I know that lots of them come from conflicts in different parts of the world.
Weapons seem to easily go through the borders so we absolutely must give much more means to stop this weapons traffic.
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Stoneage
(Somewhat a digression from this: I see now that almost every big rock/pop act have canceled their concerts in Paris and even Europe at large.)
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Stoneage
(Somewhat a digression from this: I see now that almost every big rock/pop act have canceled their concerts in Paris and even Europe at large.)
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Koen
Is that Phil Collins in that picture above?
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Koen
Is that Phil Collins in that picture above?