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I just picture the Stones circling around microphones like Don Was said. It's interesting how the best Stones songs, from all their albums over the years, have a 'live' sound quality about them.
Yet Mick mentioned in an interview a few years ago that 'nothing is ever really live' in the studio. He said something like that. So you can imagine it's almost never all the members of the Stones, like you would see them in concert, playing together live on the studio recordings.
Maybe you would have a few Stones laying down a rhythm track first, on any given song. In the case of the new blues album, you could have Keith, Ronnie and Clapton all playing acoustic guitars around one microphone. And that becomes the basis for overdubbing vocals etc. Or maybe you have one guitar and vocals, and that becomes the basis for the song, or just one guitar and drums.
Think about how Keith and Charlie recorded Street Fighting Man onto that little cassette deck that Keith used to have. Charlie had a travel drum kit, Keith had an acoustic guitar, and the real 'live' part of the Street Fighting Man studio recording is Keith and Charlie playing together.
Daniel Lanois referred to music as "fabric" in this way. You have these pieces of aural fabric that you weave together into songs. So, Ian, I was just saying that I was excited about Don Was' comments concerning "microphones." And I was envisioning the use of single microphones and how the Stones might be gathered around them, creating that real organic Stones sound that you can't get from click tracks.
Probably rewritten to Built For Speed
They did a version of The Fat Man (Fats Domino) during the 1978 Tour Rehearsals...
Mick sings: "They call me the fat man, çause I weigh 300 pounds, but the girls alll love me because I know my way around". Hahaha.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-03 18:10 by RipThisBone.
It doesn't matter.
You know nothing, as usual.
You ask stupefying questions as well.
ELEVEN months later and you think something like that.
The Stones have been recording in the same room and have had leakage on just about every LP their entire recording career (not every song, of course).
Drive-By Truckers do the same thing. Other rock bands do the same thing. It still happens. Some are careful about isolation. Leakage is cool.
a) It does matter who says it. If Mick says it, I do believe it. If my neighbour or anybody outside the Stones-camp says it, I´m not too sure.
b) They can go and release a single if they want to. But nowadays a Blues-tune will not make a good charts-position, that is clear to see. I don´t buy the single anyway, the song will most likely be on the album and I´ll buy the album, so a single release is irrelevant to me and probably to a lot other Stones-fans too.
c) The picture of the harps accompanied by the Stones-picks would be a great cover, it tells everything there is to know about the record and who made it.
Doesn´t matter what the Drive-By Truckers do, they´re just epigones, just like most today´s rock-bands. The Rolling Stones are the greatest R n R band in the world.
Of course this is a possibility. We will know for sure this Thursday ...
I am still convinced that the Dec release is blues only. But it might not be covers only. They could easily include one ore two blues tracks written by the Glimmer Twins.
Side A blues covers, side B original stuff.
Blues covers no originals, a single will be released on Thursday, the original plan was to release a double album with covers and originals but the new stuff is not ready yet and will be out next year.
Thanks for clarifying the release plans Georgelicks.
When I saw the Stones in the studio in '97 recording Bridges to Babylon they were absolutely playing live together. Darryl wasn't there so Ronnie was playing bass, Keith guitar, Charlie drums, and Jagger was blowing harmonica. They recorded a fifteen minute instrumental, which after editing and overdubs eventually became Flip the Switch (IIRC). So in one sense it wasn't live because of the extreme surgery performed afterwards, but it was certainly live in the sense that the main music was an outflow of them playing together in a small room, facing one another. Of course, that was twenty years ago.
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I'm not going to go into something in defending what I said when it's what I do and have been doing for years lol. I've recorded hundreds of rock bands .. 19 times out of 20 the vocals are overdubbed later. The bass and drums are kept and the guitars are kept sometimes.. sometimes the entire guitar tracks is overdubbed or added to later as a comp track. All I said is it was not 'standard'. To have them all sit in the circle and play things together keeping even the leakage for a 'rock act' and keep all the individual tracks (with no fixing before the mixdown) is not only unusual.. it's pretty rare.
These guys sat in a cirlcle.. jammed out some blues and didn't overdub (or fix) anything by the way it read .. (<very unusual).
Leakage is generally not desired .. (unless it is Jazz or perhaps a blues styled thing such as this). Leakage occurs at times but especially when it is <heard> it is not a good thing and is not kept.... in 95% of the recordings and can relate to phase issues (generally not optimal when it comes to getting a quality recording .. that would bleed over into getting a good master or not). For every 20 bands I've recorded .. (in about 100 different places from an SSL Board to a ProTools Rig in someones bedroom) only one would have such a situation where we kept the entire take with them playing live in the studio.
The Stones 'supposedly' sat in a circle.. jammed and kept everything (with no overdubs.. and no fixes). Not the standard in their relative positioning or in how they kept / used all the material with no overdubs and not even a minor fix to anything (not to mention keeping the leakage that occurred).
Whole thing is not only unusual .. it's pretty rare .. which ...>> is the very reason Don Was mentioned how it was done (<Cue). I'm not saying it didn't happen or that it never happened before .. I'm simply saying how they did this record is definitely pretty 'non-standard'.
Trust me on this one..
Ian
Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-04 02:33 by IanBillen.
Thanks for the freshness.
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I think they used them playing behind him to create emotion for him .. not to get the bleeding in sound. Just my personal (or professional .. if you will) opinion.
Even that was a little different from what we have here because if he was punching in .. it was indeed a type of 'overdub'... a comp track. This record 'supposedly' didn't have any of that at all.
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Not sure how they did this. 'Punching in' is a type of overdub but only in a certain segment on a certain track (instrument or vocal)in the song that didn't pan out well. The newly recorded segment would have to keep exactly in time with the original recording of all members.
I think you may mean Dylan recorded live and so did all the band but they were behind him all playing at one. That is unusual as well ..
Again ..these things <are> done at times (or from time to time) but it is not the norm .. a non-standard. Have people done that on recording.. well sure.. but it's the unique scenario. Sort of like seeing someone eating a hot dog on two pieces of bread versus using a hotdog bun. Sure.. it happens.. we've all did it to some extent... but generally ya see a hot dog on a bun.
Anyway .. interesting stuff.. and I AM excited about it (especially in hearing how it was done and how it is crude and authentic. This could be something pretty special .. (and as well .. it is something purists have been waiting a loooong time for them to do).
Yeah. I guess "L&T" was pretty much recorded live like that. But you always have to wonder how live it all really is.
I'm just tired of human beings following blips. Even if you don't hear the click track in a song, it still means human beings are mimicking the actions of a computer generated sequence. It's really putting the cart before the horse.
Back to the microphone thing: I just picture Stones and friend (Clapton) playing acoustic guitars around one microphone, just going by what Don Was said. Then maybe Sasha, Bernard and Jaguarillo are around one microphone. Hopefully that's the way they did the whole blues album, with everyone blending together.
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All of them playing around one single microphone would never work. Never has ..since... multi-track recording was invented.
A room mic is meant to pick up ambiance .. an air. It is meant to add that. I have even put them (single mics) up in the corner of a room... with everyone miced individually down below.
As far as them playing live in the studio .. surely they do that. It is how most of Gunface was done (music anyway). They face each other and often there are 'separators' and 'boxes' (<sound walls placed) around certain musicians and such.
The parts I was just never seeing was all The Stones playing around a single microphone (and no overdubs after .. which that part is out of the ordinary...pretty unusual .. but does and could happen). Ya cant have that and get any type of quality recording. It simply would not be loud enough and there would be a ungodly conglomerate mess to do in the mix.
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Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 2, 2016 22:16
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“The album consists of covers of blues songs of Chicago. It was recorded live in the studio in just three days, with the musicians in a circle around the microphones." -Don Was
That's what I meant, Ian. No need to be persnickety about it. I meant the Stones were gathering around a mic, or groupings of mics, like Don Was said. Picture Keith, Ronnie and Clapton around one mic, then Mick And Darryl having a mic maybe or whatever. And Charlie would have some drum mics. They weren't really clear on how the drums were mic'd. And whether or not Mick and Darryl were sharing a mic is purely conjecture on my part. I'm picturing groupings of mics with the Stones around them, kind of leaning into the mics.
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I thought you were saying they all sat in a circle with a single Mic in the middle of all of them as the only source .. (my bad). Was gonna say .. that could never work.
With that said .. I am certain all of them were miced individually ... with a few or 'some' additional mics placed in the middle of them for ambiance. Singers always get close miced... and drums do as well.
Still it is not any sort of norm .. a sort of unique way of recording stuff ...especially for now a days, anyway. Has to be for the right type of material .. to even consider.. for example: This would never ever work or be even considered for any sort of Pop recording.
I just picture the Stones circling around microphones like Don Was said. It's interesting how the best Stones songs, from all their albums over the years, have a 'live' sound quality about them.
Yet Mick mentioned in an interview a few years ago that 'nothing is ever really live' in the studio. He said something like that. So you can imagine it's almost never all the members of the Stones, like you would see them in concert, playing together live on the studio recordings.
Maybe you would have a few Stones laying down a rhythm track first, on any given song. In the case of the new blues album, you could have Keith, Ronnie and Clapton all playing acoustic guitars around one microphone. And that becomes the basis for overdubbing vocals etc. Or maybe you have one guitar and vocals, and that becomes the basis for the song, or just one guitar and drums.
Think about how Keith and Charlie recorded Street Fighting Man onto that little cassette deck that Keith used to have. Charlie had a travel drum kit, Keith had an acoustic guitar, and the real 'live' part of the Street Fighting Man studio recording is Keith and Charlie playing together.
Daniel Lanois referred to music as "fabric" in this way. You have these pieces of aural fabric that you weave together into songs. So, Ian, I was just saying that I was excited about Don Was' comments concerning "microphones." And I was envisioning the use of single microphones and how the Stones might be gathered around them, creating that real organic Stones sound that you can't get from click tracks.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 3, 2016 17:55
Mick singing Howlin' Wolf's "Built For Comfort" would be a surprise...
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 3, 2016 17:56
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Mick singing Howlin' Wolf's "Built For Comfort" would be a surprise...
Probably rewritten to Built For Speed
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 3, 2016 18:02
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Mick singing Howlin' Wolf's "Built For Comfort" would be a surprise...
Probably rewritten to Built For Speed
They did a version of The Fat Man (Fats Domino) during the 1978 Tour Rehearsals...
Mick sings: "They call me the fat man, çause I weigh 300 pounds, but the girls alll love me because I know my way around". Hahaha.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-03 18:10 by RipThisBone.
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Date: October 3, 2016 18:10
All 5 of them in the studio has happened before. Cheese and crackers, come on, sure, they've not done EVERY recording as a 5 piece.
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Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 3, 2016 18:21
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Yes ,there will be a new single .
Said who?
It doesn't matter.
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A Blues-song released as a single would peak at No. 185. Ouch. I dont think there will be a single-release.
You know nothing, as usual.
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Is the picture of the harps the cover of the Blues-album?
You ask stupefying questions as well.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 3, 2016 18:24
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> The album contains Chicago blues covers. They were recorded live in studio in 3 days with musicians in circle around the mics, no edit on songs, You can hear Watts drums through Jagger's mic. Record sounds raw, very authentic. Captures the essence of what they are. <
In other words, Don Was didn't @#$%& them up with compression and other cheesy studio tactics...
Maybe final production is yet to be done.
ELEVEN months later and you think something like that.
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Date: October 3, 2016 18:30
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I'm really excited about the blues album. It's amazing the way they recorded it, with everyone circled around one microphone...that's what I wanted to read. Crosseyed Heart is not computerized music. The acoustic guitar is the most important. I can't wait to hear the new one. Probably Charlie naming it is the best idea.
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Well.. coming from an audio engineering background I know that you have misunderstood. Everyone was not circled around one (<a single) microphone.
They were sitting in a circle using separate microphones. Since they were so close, there was 'leakage' .. One instrument intended for one microphone or set of microphones (Charlies Drums) bleeds in to the microphone intended for another (Micks vocal Mic).
Still a cool concept for this record and it is certainly 'not the norm' as far as recording songs as far as any sort rock act goes ..in a multi-million dollar, multi-track recording studio situation (a not so 'standard' recording assembly for them as their usual stuff / set-up requires.. BUT ..with that said... Jazz and blues recordings can allow this type of thing at times)
Ian
The Stones have been recording in the same room and have had leakage on just about every LP their entire recording career (not every song, of course).
Drive-By Truckers do the same thing. Other rock bands do the same thing. It still happens. Some are careful about isolation. Leakage is cool.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 3, 2016 20:49
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BILLPERKS
Yes ,there will be a new single .
Said who?
It doesn't matter.Quote
HMS
A Blues-song released as a single would peak at No. 185. Ouch. I dont think there will be a single-release.
You know nothing, as usual.Quote
HMS
Is the picture of the harps the cover of the Blues-album?
You ask stupefying questions as well.
a) It does matter who says it. If Mick says it, I do believe it. If my neighbour or anybody outside the Stones-camp says it, I´m not too sure.
b) They can go and release a single if they want to. But nowadays a Blues-tune will not make a good charts-position, that is clear to see. I don´t buy the single anyway, the song will most likely be on the album and I´ll buy the album, so a single release is irrelevant to me and probably to a lot other Stones-fans too.
c) The picture of the harps accompanied by the Stones-picks would be a great cover, it tells everything there is to know about the record and who made it.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 3, 2016 21:07
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GasLightStreet
Drive-By Truckers do the same thing. Other rock bands do the same thing. It still happens.
Doesn´t matter what the Drive-By Truckers do, they´re just epigones, just like most today´s rock-bands. The Rolling Stones are the greatest R n R band in the world.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
Posted by:
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Date: October 4, 2016 00:19
Are you sure that it will a blues covers album without original stuff?!
I bet it'll be a double album with 2 sides...
Time will tell!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-04 00:21 by KRiffhard.
I bet it'll be a double album with 2 sides...
Time will tell!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-04 00:21 by KRiffhard.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 4, 2016 00:22
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KRiffhard
Are you sure that it will a blues covers album without original stuff?!
I bet for a double album with 2 sides...
Time will tell!
Of course this is a possibility. We will know for sure this Thursday ...
I am still convinced that the Dec release is blues only. But it might not be covers only. They could easily include one ore two blues tracks written by the Glimmer Twins.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 4, 2016 00:26
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KRiffhard
Are you sure that it will a blues covers album without original stuff?!
I bet for a double album with 2 sides...
Time will tell!
Of course this is a possibility. We will know for sure this Thursday ...
I am still convinced that the Dec release is blues only. But it might not be covers only. They could easily include one ore two blues tracks written by the Glimmer Twins.
Side A blues covers, side B original stuff.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
Posted by:
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Date: October 4, 2016 00:31
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KRiffhard
Are you sure that it will a blues covers album without original stuff?!
I bet it'll be a double album with 2 sides...
Time will tell!
Blues covers no originals, a single will be released on Thursday, the original plan was to release a double album with covers and originals but the new stuff is not ready yet and will be out next year.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 4, 2016 01:01
Wonder what exciting covers they've found, please tell me the single is Little Walter's "My Babe" a catchy tune and it would prove Keith was in the loop this time ;-)
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Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 4, 2016 01:03
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KRiffhard
Are you sure that it will a blues covers album without original stuff?!
I bet it'll be a double album with 2 sides...
Time will tell!
Blues covers no originals, a single will be released on Thursday, the original plan was to release a double album with covers and originals but the new stuff is not ready yet and will be out next year.
Thanks for clarifying the release plans Georgelicks.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 4, 2016 01:06
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KRiffhard
Are you sure that it will a blues covers album without original stuff?!
I bet it'll be a double album with 2 sides...
Time will tell!
Blues covers no originals, a single will be released on Thursday, the original plan was to release a double album with covers and originals but the new stuff is not ready yet and will be out next year.
Thanks for clarifying the release plans Georgelicks.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 4, 2016 02:13
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“The album consists of covers of blues songs of Chicago. It was recorded live in the studio in just three days, with the musicians in a circle around the microphones." -Don Was
That's what I meant, Ian. No need to be persnickety about it. I meant the Stones were gathering around a mic, or groupings of mics, like Don Was said. Picture Keith, Ronnie and Clapton around one mic, then Mick And Darryl having a mic maybe or whatever. And Charlie would have some drum mics. They weren't really clear on how the drums were mic'd. And whether or not Mick and Darryl were sharing a mic is purely conjecture on my part. I'm picturing groupings of mics with the Stones around them, kind of leaning into the mics.
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I thought you were saying they all sat in a circle with a single Mic in the middle of all of them as the only source .. (my bad). Was gonna say .. that could never work.
With that said .. I am certain all of them were miced individually ... with a few or 'some' additional mics placed in the middle of them for ambiance. Singers always get close miced... and drums do as well.
Still it is not any sort of norm .. a sort of unique way of recording stuff ...especially for now a days, anyway. Has to be for the right type of material .. to even consider.. for example: This would never ever work or be even considered for any sort of Pop recording.
I just picture the Stones circling around microphones like Don Was said. It's interesting how the best Stones songs, from all their albums over the years, have a 'live' sound quality about them.
Yet Mick mentioned in an interview a few years ago that 'nothing is ever really live' in the studio. He said something like that. So you can imagine it's almost never all the members of the Stones, like you would see them in concert, playing together live on the studio recordings.
Maybe you would have a few Stones laying down a rhythm track first, on any given song. In the case of the new blues album, you could have Keith, Ronnie and Clapton all playing acoustic guitars around one microphone. And that becomes the basis for overdubbing vocals etc. Or maybe you have one guitar and vocals, and that becomes the basis for the song, or just one guitar and drums.
Think about how Keith and Charlie recorded Street Fighting Man onto that little cassette deck that Keith used to have. Charlie had a travel drum kit, Keith had an acoustic guitar, and the real 'live' part of the Street Fighting Man studio recording is Keith and Charlie playing together.
Daniel Lanois referred to music as "fabric" in this way. You have these pieces of aural fabric that you weave together into songs. So, Ian, I was just saying that I was excited about Don Was' comments concerning "microphones." And I was envisioning the use of single microphones and how the Stones might be gathered around them, creating that real organic Stones sound that you can't get from click tracks.
When I saw the Stones in the studio in '97 recording Bridges to Babylon they were absolutely playing live together. Darryl wasn't there so Ronnie was playing bass, Keith guitar, Charlie drums, and Jagger was blowing harmonica. They recorded a fifteen minute instrumental, which after editing and overdubs eventually became Flip the Switch (IIRC). So in one sense it wasn't live because of the extreme surgery performed afterwards, but it was certainly live in the sense that the main music was an outflow of them playing together in a small room, facing one another. Of course, that was twenty years ago.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 4, 2016 02:16
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I'm really excited about the blues album. It's amazing the way they recorded it, with everyone circled around one microphone...that's what I wanted to read. Crosseyed Heart is not computerized music. The acoustic guitar is the most important. I can't wait to hear the new one. Probably Charlie naming it is the best idea.
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Well.. coming from an audio engineering background I know that you have misunderstood. Everyone was not circled around one (<a single) microphone.
They were sitting in a circle using separate microphones. Since they were so close, there was 'leakage' .. One instrument intended for one microphone or set of microphones (Charlies Drums) bleeds in to the microphone intended for another (Micks vocal Mic).
Still a cool concept for this record and it is certainly 'not the norm' as far as recording songs as far as any sort rock act goes ..in a multi-million dollar, multi-track recording studio situation (a not so 'standard' recording assembly for them as their usual stuff / set-up requires.. BUT ..with that said... Jazz and blues recordings can allow this type of thing at times)
Ian
The Stones have been recording in the same room and have had leakage on just about every LP their entire recording career (not every song, of course).
Drive-By Truckers do the same thing. Other rock bands do the same thing. It still happens. Some are careful about isolation. Leakage is cool.
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I'm not going to go into something in defending what I said when it's what I do and have been doing for years lol. I've recorded hundreds of rock bands .. 19 times out of 20 the vocals are overdubbed later. The bass and drums are kept and the guitars are kept sometimes.. sometimes the entire guitar tracks is overdubbed or added to later as a comp track. All I said is it was not 'standard'. To have them all sit in the circle and play things together keeping even the leakage for a 'rock act' and keep all the individual tracks (with no fixing before the mixdown) is not only unusual.. it's pretty rare.
These guys sat in a cirlcle.. jammed out some blues and didn't overdub (or fix) anything by the way it read .. (<very unusual).
Leakage is generally not desired .. (unless it is Jazz or perhaps a blues styled thing such as this). Leakage occurs at times but especially when it is <heard> it is not a good thing and is not kept.... in 95% of the recordings and can relate to phase issues (generally not optimal when it comes to getting a quality recording .. that would bleed over into getting a good master or not). For every 20 bands I've recorded .. (in about 100 different places from an SSL Board to a ProTools Rig in someones bedroom) only one would have such a situation where we kept the entire take with them playing live in the studio.
The Stones 'supposedly' sat in a circle.. jammed and kept everything (with no overdubs.. and no fixes). Not the standard in their relative positioning or in how they kept / used all the material with no overdubs and not even a minor fix to anything (not to mention keeping the leakage that occurred).
Whole thing is not only unusual .. it's pretty rare .. which ...>> is the very reason Don Was mentioned how it was done (<Cue). I'm not saying it didn't happen or that it never happened before .. I'm simply saying how they did this record is definitely pretty 'non-standard'.
Trust me on this one..
Ian
Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-04 02:33 by IanBillen.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Socrates1
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Date: October 4, 2016 02:30
There's an interesting article about some dude who worked with Bob Dylan on Love & Theft. Whenever Bob had to do a rare vocal punch-in, they would have the whole band playing behind Bob, as he stood before the mic, just so they could get that 'bleeding-in' sound from the band to match what they had already recorded. L&T was the last album Bob Dylan recorded before protools became the norm in studios. So when they recorded L&T, they had to splice tape together and all that stuff.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Date: October 4, 2016 02:36
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KRiffhard
Are you sure that it will a blues covers album without original stuff?!
I bet it'll be a double album with 2 sides...
Time will tell!
Blues covers no originals, a single will be released on Thursday, the original plan was to release a double album with covers and originals but the new stuff is not ready yet and will be out next year.
Thanks for clarifying the release plans Georgelicks.
Thanks for the freshness.Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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IanBillen
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Date: October 4, 2016 02:37
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Socrates1
There's an interesting article about some dude who worked with Bob Dylan on Love & Theft. Whenever Bob had to do a rare vocal punch-in, they would have the whole band playing behind Bob, as he stood before the mic, just so they could get that 'bleeding-in' sound from the band to match what they had already recorded. L&T was the last album Bob Dylan recorded before protools became the norm in studios. So when they recorded L&T, they had to splice tape together and all that stuff.
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I think they used them playing behind him to create emotion for him .. not to get the bleeding in sound. Just my personal (or professional .. if you will) opinion.
Even that was a little different from what we have here because if he was punching in .. it was indeed a type of 'overdub'... a comp track. This record 'supposedly' didn't have any of that at all.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
Posted by:
Socrates1
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Date: October 4, 2016 02:38
No, they specifically did it for the bleeding-in thing. The article is on the internet somewhere.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
Posted by:
Socrates1
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Date: October 4, 2016 02:53
Also, they did use tape to record Shadows In The Night. The tape is $500.00 a box these days. That's why most people record digitally.
I'm wondering now about Modern Times, Together Through Life, and Tempest... oh and Fallen Angels. They probably used tape to record Fallen Angels, since Al Schmitt recorded and mixed both Shadows and FA.
Modern Times was Bob Dylan's first protools recorded album. It may have been recorded digitally. I don't know. In fact, all I know is that I know nothing.
I'm wondering now about Modern Times, Together Through Life, and Tempest... oh and Fallen Angels. They probably used tape to record Fallen Angels, since Al Schmitt recorded and mixed both Shadows and FA.
Modern Times was Bob Dylan's first protools recorded album. It may have been recorded digitally. I don't know. In fact, all I know is that I know nothing.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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IanBillen
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Date: October 4, 2016 07:03
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No, they specifically did it for the bleeding-in thing. The article is on the internet somewhere.
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Not sure how they did this. 'Punching in' is a type of overdub but only in a certain segment on a certain track (instrument or vocal)in the song that didn't pan out well. The newly recorded segment would have to keep exactly in time with the original recording of all members.
I think you may mean Dylan recorded live and so did all the band but they were behind him all playing at one. That is unusual as well ..
Again ..these things <are> done at times (or from time to time) but it is not the norm .. a non-standard. Have people done that on recording.. well sure.. but it's the unique scenario. Sort of like seeing someone eating a hot dog on two pieces of bread versus using a hotdog bun. Sure.. it happens.. we've all did it to some extent... but generally ya see a hot dog on a bun.
Anyway .. interesting stuff.. and I AM excited about it (especially in hearing how it was done and how it is crude and authentic. This could be something pretty special .. (and as well .. it is something purists have been waiting a loooong time for them to do).
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Socrates1
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Date: October 4, 2016 07:15
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I think you may mean Dylan recorded live and so did all the band but they were behind him all playing at one.
Yeah. I guess "L&T" was pretty much recorded live like that. But you always have to wonder how live it all really is.
I'm just tired of human beings following blips. Even if you don't hear the click track in a song, it still means human beings are mimicking the actions of a computer generated sequence. It's really putting the cart before the horse.
Back to the microphone thing: I just picture Stones and friend (Clapton) playing acoustic guitars around one microphone, just going by what Don Was said. Then maybe Sasha, Bernard and Jaguarillo are around one microphone. Hopefully that's the way they did the whole blues album, with everyone blending together.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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IanBillen
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Date: October 4, 2016 08:19
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IanBillen
I think you may mean Dylan recorded live and so did all the band but they were behind him all playing at one.
Yeah. I guess "L&T" was pretty much recorded live like that. But you always have to wonder how live it all really is.
I'm just tired of human beings following blips. Even if you don't hear the click track in a song, it still means human beings are mimicking the actions of a computer generated sequence. It's really putting the cart before the horse.
Back to the microphone thing: I just picture Stones and friend (Clapton) playing acoustic guitars around one microphone, just going by what Don Was said. Then maybe Sasha, Bernard and Jaguarillo are around one microphone. Hopefully that's the way they did the whole blues album, with everyone blending together.
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All of them playing around one single microphone would never work. Never has ..since... multi-track recording was invented.
A room mic is meant to pick up ambiance .. an air. It is meant to add that. I have even put them (single mics) up in the corner of a room... with everyone miced individually down below.
As far as them playing live in the studio .. surely they do that. It is how most of Gunface was done (music anyway). They face each other and often there are 'separators' and 'boxes' (<sound walls placed) around certain musicians and such.
The parts I was just never seeing was all The Stones playing around a single microphone (and no overdubs after .. which that part is out of the ordinary...pretty unusual .. but does and could happen). Ya cant have that and get any type of quality recording. It simply would not be loud enough and there would be a ungodly conglomerate mess to do in the mix.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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Socrates1
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Date: October 4, 2016 08:28
I don't know what I'm posting sometimes on the internet at 3 AM. I was thinking: single microphone with the guitar players around it. Single microphone with the singers on another one... stuff like that. I wasn't picturing the whole band around one microphone. Where would Charlie be?
The Carter Family used one microphone and it worked for them. I once recorded a bunch of stuff with a buddy of mine, and we used one mic to pick up drums and an acoustic guitar. That sounded fine. Drop a mic from the ceiling.
The Carter Family used one microphone and it worked for them. I once recorded a bunch of stuff with a buddy of mine, and we used one mic to pick up drums and an acoustic guitar. That sounded fine. Drop a mic from the ceiling.
Re: New Rolling Stones studio album due out in 2016
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midimannz
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Date: October 4, 2016 08:48
John Mellencamp did an album 'around the mic' recently, didn't he?
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