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First there will be a new studio album of blues cover songs due out in the first days of December 2016. Then the plan is to release a whole new studio album with Stones original compositions next summer and tour Norway for some weeks, so that I don't have to travel much. That is the plan.

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I have absolutely no idea where this Vegas show fits in or what it's purpose is.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Ker-ching!

A single concert will not produce enough to entice The Rolling Stones... not at this point and time anyway. One concert will not gross them a load of cash. If anything.. it will be hard to pull in much profit being as it is merely one show .. they will get 200-300K a piece (per gig) ... and then that is it. That is not worth their trouble as far as it being a money making jaunt... it's only a show ir two

More like a million each Ian. And x 4 (2 x Desert Trip 2 x Vegas)

Well they do not make a million a show a piece (....especially for arena shows) do they?? I am thinking Maybe $350,000 a piece .. (tops) not a million a piece...especially for arena shows?

The four principals easily get a million each. Do the math on Vegas.....if you sell 14,000 seats at an average of $500 a piece, the gate is $9,000,000.....most of that is gong to the Stones. Then there is the merch.....a lot of money in everything from concessions to T-shirts....

I remember during the Licks tour (which was like 15 years ago) .. I read a report that they were getting $225,000 a show a piece. I figured they may /must be scooping an extra 100K added to that by now is how I came up with my figure.

I am not convinced they actually pull a million a piece a show. I don't think anyone ever has come close to that amount per show on a grand scale tour.

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First there will be a new studio album of blues cover songs due out in the first days of December 2016. Then the plan is to release a whole new studio album with Stones original compositions next summer and tour Norway for some weeks, so that I don't have to travel much. That is the plan.

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First there will be a new studio album of blues cover songs due out in the first days of December 2016. Then the plan is to release a whole new studio album with Stones original compositions next summer and tour Norway for some weeks, so that I don't have to travel much. That is the plan.

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I have absolutely no idea where this Vegas show fits in or what it's purpose is.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Ker-ching!

A single concert will not produce enough to entice The Rolling Stones... not at this point and time anyway. One concert will not gross them a load of cash. If anything.. it will be hard to pull in much profit being as it is merely one show .. they will get 200-300K a piece (per gig) ... and then that is it. That is not worth their trouble as far as it being a money making jaunt... it's only a show ir two

More like a million each Ian. And x 4 (2 x Desert Trip 2 x Vegas)

Well they do not make a million a show a piece (....especially for arena shows) do they?? I am thinking Maybe $350,000 a piece .. (tops) not a million a piece...especially for arena shows?

The four principals easily get a million each. Do the math on Vegas.....if you sell 14,000 seats at an average of $500 a piece, the gate is $9,000,000.....most of that is gong to the Stones. Then there is the merch.....a lot of money in everything from concessions to T-shirts....

I remember during the Licks tour (which was like 15 years ago) .. I read a report that they were getting $225,000 a show a piece. I figured they may /must be scooping an extra 100K added to that by now is how I came up with my figure.

I am not convinced they actually pull a million a piece a show. I don't think anyone ever has come close to that amount per show on a grand scale tour.

This is OT considering the thread is about the blues album in a few months but I did get curious and looked it up and found this:

Money is money, Dorenfeld says, noting that bands as big as the Stones command supremely high margins on splits with concert promoters and bookers because of the guaranteed interest they draw.

They're getting more than 60% is my guess (of a show's gross revenues). If the show made $3 million, that's $1.8 million, not counting merch — you walk away with that also. They're unique — all the ones like them are unique — the deals are much tighter because the revenue from everything else is much greater.

[www.businessinsider.com]


Addressing rumors that the four Stones members would each make a million dollars per show, Richards says, “I haven’t looked at the figures. Numbers can get greatly exaggerated but £16 million ($25.8 million) sounds about right to us.

[ultimateclassicrock.com]

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That article makes it sound like 2017 will see the release of the album of blues covers and that's about it?

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Tour of Norway 2017

- Arendal
- Sarpsborg
- Bodo
- Skien
- Sandnes
- Drammen
- Tromso
- Stavanger
- Trondheim
- Fredrikstad
- Kristiansand
- Bergen
- Oslo x 2

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I have absolutely no idea where this Vegas show fits in or what it's purpose is.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Ker-ching!

A single concert will not produce enough to entice The Rolling Stones... not at this point and time anyway. One concert will not gross them a load of cash. If anything.. it will be hard to pull in much profit being as it is merely one show .. they will get 200-300K a piece (per gig) ... and then that is it. That is not worth their trouble as far as it being a money making jaunt... it's only a show ir two

More like a million each Ian. And x 4 (2 x Desert Trip 2 x Vegas)

Well they do not make a million a show a piece (....especially for arena shows) do they?? I am thinking Maybe $350,000 a piece .. (tops) not a million a piece...especially for arena shows?

The four principals easily get a million each. Do the math on Vegas.....if you sell 14,000 seats at an average of $500 a piece, the gate is $9,000,000.....most of that is gong to the Stones. Then there is the merch.....a lot of money in everything from concessions to T-shirts....

I remember during the Licks tour (which was like 15 years ago) .. I read a report that they were getting $225,000 a show a piece. I figured they may /must be scooping an extra 100K added to that by now is how I came up with my figure.

I am not convinced they actually pull a million a piece a show. I don't think anyone ever has come close to that amount per show on a grand scale tour.

This is OT considering the thread is about the blues album in a few months but I did get curious and looked it up and found this:

Money is money, Dorenfeld says, noting that bands as big as the Stones command supremely high margins on splits with concert promoters and bookers because of the guaranteed interest they draw.

They're getting more than 60% is my guess (of a show's gross revenues). If the show made $3 million, that's $1.8 million, not counting merch — you walk away with that also. They're unique — all the ones like them are unique — the deals are much tighter because the revenue from everything else is much greater.

[www.businessinsider.com]


Addressing rumors that the four Stones members would each make a million dollars per show, Richards says, “I haven’t looked at the figures. Numbers can get greatly exaggerated but £16 million ($25.8 million) sounds about right to us.

[ultimateclassicrock.com]

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First there will be a new studio album of blues cover songs due out in the first days of December 2016. Then the plan is to release a whole new studio album with Stones original compositions next summer and tour Norway for some weeks, so that I don't have to travel much. That is the plan.

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Except that interview with Keith regarding the $25.8M was before the 5 show 2012 50th anniversary shows. I maintain the core four Stones are earning $1.0M per show. Again, using Vegas as a reference the gate is $9.0m before merch. I suspect the core band makes between $1.0m and $1.5m per show. They are getting $7.0M for Desert trip.....that's published.

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Except that interview with Keith regarding the $25.8M was before the 5 show 2012 50th anniversary shows. I maintain the core four Stones are earning $1.0M per show. Again, using Vegas as a reference the gate is $9.0m before merch. I suspect the core band makes between $1.0m and $1.5m per show. They are getting $7.0M for Desert trip.....that's published.

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Ahhhh I see. It was pertaining to the 50 and counting set? I suppose you may be right .. Are you certain it wasn't after they extended the tour to propose more shows?

The Desert Trip is a 'special event'. The Stones could earn that if they chose to play special events in which tons of cash goes into publicizing one or two or three shows. That isn't a larger scale tour that I was talking about.

However I am beginning to think their salary has tripled since 2002-2003 tour... so you could be right.


Now the album .... the new studio album (not the blues .. that is obviously finished) .. I wonder how far along they are on one?


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Except that interview with Keith regarding the $25.8M was before the 5 show 2012 50th anniversary shows. I maintain the core four Stones are earning $1.0M per show. Again, using Vegas as a reference the gate is $9.0m before merch. I suspect the core band makes between $1.0m and $1.5m per show. They are getting $7.0M for Desert trip.....that's published.

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Ahhhh I see. It was pertaining to the 50 and counting set? I suppose you may be right .. Are you certain it wasn't after they extended the tour to propose more shows?

The Desert Trip is a 'special event'. The Stones could earn that if they chose to play special events in which tons of cash goes into publicizing one or two or three shows. That isn't a larger scale tour that I was talking about.

However I am beginning to think their salary has tripled since 2002-2003 tour... so you could be right.


Now the album .... the new studio album (not the blues .. that is obviously finished) .. I wonder how far along they are on one?


Ian

I hope that they are playing the new songs in rehearsal so as to perfect them for the record.

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$26 million for four shows sounds high to me. Say Vegas seats 15,000 - if they sell out the place that's probably $8 million in box office gross (assuming an average of $500+ per ticket). In that case I would think that the Stones' guarantee might be closer to $4 to $5 million per show. From that total you need to deduct expenses (musicians, employees, staging, transportation, legal, etc). Unless sponsorships cover those expenses, that wouldn't leave $1 million per Stone.

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Addressing rumors that the four Stones members would each make a million dollars per show, Richards says, “I haven’t looked at the figures. Numbers can get greatly exaggerated but £16 million ($25.8 million) sounds about right to us.

[ultimateclassicrock.com]

A quick side note before getting back on topic:

Love your research and I appreciate it.. (good stuff). Still .. with even that posted I am still sort of disagreeing a bit ...


25.8 million divided by 16 shows (Zip Code Tour) = 1.6 million .. divided by 4 (4 Rolling Stones) = 400,000. That is not a million dollars a piece.. that is 400,000 a piece (not exactly peanuts for a nights work ... but still it isn't a million bucks per member a show).

I do not believe anybody makes a million a show on a larger scale tour / .. 15-30 city tour ..

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The Album:

I wonder how The Blues album will be? I wonder if it will be simply The Stones doing general / generic sounding covers? OR will The blues album have it's own sort of vibe and a certain unique way it runs and is put together.. ?

As far as the new studio album ..

I wonder how far along they are on it? Will they work on it into next year? Is there a need to work on it into next year...?

One thing is for certain .. this is the first Stones album in decades.. probably dating back to the 70's .. in which they are taking their sweet old time with no deadline ahead.. no impending tour... and no specific time criteria to be dealt with. It will be finished when it is finished .. not when it HAS to be finished.

They can and have worked on this at their leisure.. as THEY choose and when they choose.. hopefully that will only add more quality to the product.

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Addressing rumors that the four Stones members would each make a million dollars per show, Richards says, “I haven’t looked at the figures. Numbers can get greatly exaggerated but £16 million ($25.8 million) sounds about right to us.

[ultimateclassicrock.com]

A quick side note before getting back on topic:

Love your research and I appreciate it.. (good stuff). Still .. with even that posted I am still sort of disagreeing a bit ...

Odd, awhile back Ron Wood said something to the press that sort of hinted that the new originals album was pretty much done. Keith said something similar. Now it seems not to be the case...


25.8 million divided by 16 shows (Zip Code Tour) = 1.6 million .. divided by 4 (4 Rolling Stones) = 400,000. That is not a million dollars a piece.. that is 400,000 a piece (not exactly peanuts for a nights work ... but still it isn't a million bucks per member a show).

I do not believe anybody makes a million a show on a larger scale tour / .. 15-30 city tour ..

That was about the 2012 shows, not the 2016 shows. It gives an idea at how much they could make these days.

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The Album:

I wonder how The Blues album will be? I wonder if it will be simply The Stones doing general / generic sounding covers? OR will The blues album have it's own sort of vibe and a certain unique way it runs and is put together.. ?

As far as the new studio album ..

I wonder how far along they are on it? Will they work on it into next year? Is there a need to work on it into next year...?

One thing is for certain .. this is the first Stones album in decades.. probably dating back to the 70's .. in which they are taking their sweet old time with no deadline ahead.. no impending tour... and no specific time criteria to be dealt with. It will be finished when it is finished .. not when it HAS to be finished.

They can and have worked on this at their leisure.. as THEY choose and when they choose.. hopefully that will only add more quality to the product.

There's nothing to wonder about the blues album. It will be a blues album. Gazillions of artists and bands have done blues and blues albums. There's nothing special about it, it's not going to sound like EXILE or the Star Wars soundtrack, it's just the Stones doing a blues album.

New studio album ie original Stones songs: I'm a bit amiss about it but as I recall there's really nothing to hint at them having recorded a new album of original songs yet, only that they started to work on one and will continue to work on it this fall. Or something like that.

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First there will be a new studio album of blues cover songs due out in the first days of December 2016. Then the plan is to release a whole new studio album with Stones original compositions next summer and tour Norway for some weeks, so that I don't have to travel much. That is the plan.

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Addressing rumors that the four Stones members would each make a million dollars per show, Richards says, “I haven’t looked at the figures. Numbers can get greatly exaggerated but £16 million ($25.8 million) sounds about right to us.

[ultimateclassicrock.com]

A quick side note before getting back on topic:

Love your research and I appreciate it.. (good stuff). Still .. with even that posted I am still sort of disagreeing a bit ...


25.8 million divided by 16 shows (Zip Code Tour) = 1.6 million .. divided by 4 (4 Rolling Stones) = 400,000. That is not a million dollars a piece.. that is 400,000 a piece (not exactly peanuts for a nights work ... but still it isn't a million bucks per member a show).

I do not believe anybody makes a million a show on a larger scale tour / .. 15-30 city tour ..

That was about the 2012 shows, not the 2016 shows. It gives an idea at how much they could make these days.

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The Album:

I wonder how The Blues album will be? I wonder if it will be simply The Stones doing general / generic sounding covers? OR will The blues album have it's own sort of vibe and a certain unique way it runs and is put together.. ?

As far as the new studio album ..

I wonder how far along they are on it? Will they work on it into next year? Is there a need to work on it into next year...?

One thing is for certain .. this is the first Stones album in decades.. probably dating back to the 70's .. in which they are taking their sweet old time with no deadline ahead.. no impending tour... and no specific time criteria to be dealt with. It will be finished when it is finished .. not when it HAS to be finished.

They can and have worked on this at their leisure.. as THEY choose and when they choose.. hopefully that will only add more quality to the product.

There's nothing to wonder about the blues album. It will be a blues album. Gazillions of artists and bands have done blues and blues albums. There's nothing special about it, it's not going to sound like EXILE or the Star Wars soundtrack, it's just the Stones doing a blues album.

New studio album ie original Stones songs: I'm a bit amiss about it but as I recall there's really nothing to hint at them having recorded a new album of original songs yet, only that they started to work on one and will continue to work on it this fall. Or something like that.

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80% turns out to be hog-wash when it is all said and done.

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I simply do not want a collection of generic Stones blues numbers is what I was saying.

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I simply do not want a collection of generic Stones blues numbers is what I was saying.

What do you mean by generic Stones blues numbers? Here are some Stones blues songs - which ones are generic? Any?

Wish I'd Never Met You
Back Of My Hand
Fancy Man Blues
Cook Cook Blues
I'm Not Signifying
Stop Breaking Down
Parachute Woman
Down In The Hole
The Storm
When You're Gone
Some People Tell Me
Brand New Car
Jump On Top Of Me
Break The Spell
Hide Your Love
You Gotta Move
Prodigal Son
Love In Vain

Would you or do you consider Clapton's BLUES and ME & MR JOHNSON generic blues?

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I simply do not want a collection of generic Stones blues numbers is what I was saying.

What do you mean by generic Stones blues numbers? Here are some Stones blues songs - which ones are generic? Any?

Wish I'd Never Met You
Back Of My Hand
Fancy Man Blues
Cook Cook Blues
I'm Not Signifying
Stop Breaking Down
Parachute Woman
Down In The Hole
The Storm
When You're Gone
Some People Tell Me
Brand New Car
Jump On Top Of Me
Break The Spell
Hide Your Love
You Gotta Move
Prodigal Son
Love In Vain

Would you or do you consider Clapton's BLUES and ME & MR JOHNSON generic blues?

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I simply do not want a collection of generic Stones blues numbers is what I was saying.

What do you mean by generic Stones blues numbers? Here are some Stones blues songs - which ones are generic? Any?

Wish I'd Never Met You
Back Of My Hand
Fancy Man Blues
Cook Cook Blues
I'm Not Signifying
Stop Breaking Down
Parachute Woman
Down In The Hole
The Storm
When You're Gone
Some People Tell Me
Brand New Car
Jump On Top Of Me
Break The Spell
Hide Your Love
You Gotta Move
Prodigal Son
Love In Vain

Would you or do you consider Clapton's BLUES and ME & MR JOHNSON generic blues?

Me & Mr Johnson was a dull and dissapointing record. Boring as hell.