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frankotero
Could it be Under The Radar? I love that song, one of my favorites from ABB and oddly enough not part of the regular album.
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TornAndFried
They are currently playing at a good level for their age. However, Mick nor Keith hadn't written a really great song in decades. Maybe they can pull it together one last time and surprise everyone. I doubt it, but I suppose it's possible.
Well Keith has written some great material very recently!
That's good to know. So I guess for his loyalty to the Stones he decided to release those mediocre and forgettable ones in his solo album, and saved the gems for an upcoming Stones project...
- Doxa
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HMS
Most of above mentioned outtakes or jams or whatever are horrible trash, imo.
It would take less time to write completely new material than trying to make this wrecks rolling...
A few ABB-type-rockers, a Keith-ballad, a Keith reggae, a modern sounding track like Winning Ugly, a conventional blues, a Mick-ballad, one or two radio-friendly popish tunes and a funky track like Sexdrive and off we go!
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frankotero
Could it be Under The Radar? I love that song, one of my favorites from ABB and oddly enough not part of the regular album.
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TornAndFried
They are currently playing at a good level for their age. However, Mick nor Keith hadn't written a really great song in decades. Maybe they can pull it together one last time and surprise everyone. I doubt it, but I suppose it's possible.
Well Keith has written some great material very recently!
That's good to know. So I guess for his loyalty to the Stones he decided to release those mediocre and forgettable ones in his solo album, and saved the gems for an upcoming Stones project...
- Doxa
Ha, I think you nailed it, Doxa! But seriously, I think there's nothing on Crosseyed Heart that's in Stones league, maybe some stuff is in A Bigger Bang league, but that's not we really need after all these years, right?
If anything, Crosseyed Heart is an album I listen to for the general mood, but not for any songs that stand out. None of them have the potential for stand-out songs - songs that simply cry for going back to them for repeated listening.
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Tate
I'd really enjoy hearing Mick and Keith singing together.. I love when they harmonize together. I hope we get some of that in this next album.
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HMS
Most of above mentioned outtakes or jams or whatever are horrible trash, imo.
It would take less time to write completely new material than trying to make this wrecks rolling...
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HMS
Most of above mentioned outtakes or jams or whatever are horrible trash, imo.
It would take less time to write completely new material than trying to make this wrecks rolling...
If I recall right this is exactly the thing Ronnie has said a couple of (ten/fifteen?) years ago - that it is easier for them to start from a scratch than try to rewarm some old song project.
- Doxa
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Redhotcarpetyes but are there any good outtakes? They could of course find some Möre gems from 70-75Quote
KRiffhard
They could have done a project similar to 'Tattoo You' with the best 10/12 outtakes.
There is great stuff to work and Chris Kimsey knows how to do!
That is a good question indeed.
There probably are, but probably only unfinished ones from 1977 and later.
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KRiffhard
They could have done a project similar to 'Tattoo You' with the best 10/12 outtakes.
There is great stuff to work and Chris Kimsey knows how to do!
That is a good question indeed.
There probably are, but probably only unfinished ones from 1977 and later.
A good question indeed. But I think a few things need to be considered if the miracle of TATTOO YOU could be repeated.
The first is, of course, the question arised above - are there such stunning out-takes, as was for TATTOO YOU, in the can? I don't know.
Secondly, TATTOO YOU was nothing but Jagger finishing up the out-takes. This is something Jagger 'just' did with EXILE and SOME GIRLS projects. So theoretically, if we pick up the best cuts from those two projects, there you already had it: TATTOO YOU VOL. 2. Funnily, if we count a couple of years out, these recordings funnily co-incides by date with the TATTOO YOU material.
I think, thirdly, this rules out any idea that they could pick up some unused out-takes from the golden years, and release it as a 'new' product. The material from, say, 1969 to 1983, is 'archives' material. It belongs to a different era, and should be treated with a kind of "archealogist" approach, appreciating the context, as they did with EXILE and SOME GIRLS - they, as us, realize that the Stones sounded different back then as they do these days, decades later. By the time of TATTOO YOU they didn't have that problem yet, the material was only seven/eight years old at most. (Besides, how stupid it would not only sound, but look like if they actually would use some 30-40 yaers old backing tracks and call it 'new'. Of course, anyone would notice the 'truth'.)
So, fourthly, if they would use the TATTOO YOU method, I think it should be applied to a material that suits to the way the band sounds these days. My assumption that the 'recent' sound starts by the time of making VOODOO LOUNGE (that is, the band hasn't really changed or evolved ever since). I guess the out-takes from that on would be something we can't really say if it is from 1993, 1997, 2001, 2005 or 2015. Jagger could easily fit 'there, without the fear of anomalies he sometimes seem to have with EXILE and SOME GITRS era out-takes (one can distinguish too easily the old and new component there). The result should sound 'cohesive'.
Which brings us to the original question: is there that good out-takes from that era (1993 on) that deserves to be released? Another forgotten "Start Me Up" or "Waitin' On A Friend"? I yet dont know, but my guess is that they are more willing to start from a scratch... Besides, the initial idea of TATTOO YOU was just having a release quickly and easily out to go with the tour (and Mick and Keith didn't need to face each other...). Now they seemingly want to do it as a whole band effort, Mick and Keith co-operating, so there is no need for any kind of TATTOO YOU method...
- Doxa
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DandelionPowderman
It will be interesting to see if Ronnie will play more on this album. On B2B and ABB he's just filling in here and there, more or less.
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It will be interesting to see if Ronnie will play more on this album. On B2B and ABB he's just filling in here and there, more or less.
I have a positive feeling on this one. Probably Ronnie had his own faults why he wasn't used as much in ABB and B2B, but he is a different man today; he has shown that during the tour(s). They would be idiots if they don't use his capacity some more.
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HMS
Most of above mentioned outtakes or jams or whatever are horrible trash, imo.
It would take less time to write completely new material than trying to make this wrecks rolling...
If I recall right this is exactly the thing Ronnie has said a couple of (ten/fifteen?) years ago - that it is easier for them to start from a scratch than try to rewarm some old song project.
- Doxa
Possibly, the way it should probably work though for the songs and playing to gather depth and momentum is writing and playing together over time, like say since they got back together in late 2012. Instead of that it's the same "rush job" of adding half cooked parts to Mick's pretty much final demos and fleshing out of some of Keith's rough sketches. Guess their heart is just not into it and it's hard to hide that in the final "product"...Let's face it, even though we'll all be excited upon the first few listens, in light of this approach (as if it's not hard enough for guys in their 70s to replicate the fire of their heydays) it would take a small miracle for that "product" to have a chance of standing up to their legacy or of having any sort of importance (to loosely quote a recent post by Rocky Dijon ).
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pgarof
I don't understand why people want an album with around 11 tracks, not 16 like on A bigger Bang.
People like me just want as much music from them as possible, including anything left over, from other albums sooooo.....why not have 16 or 17 tracks, to me its a bonus not a negative!!