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Good MNF game last night. Nice to see Carolina do well. Another team with really good D. I'm detecting a pattern here. DK about the noncall at the end of the game though. Nice to see the evil Belichick lose on questionable call. I think I saw him in the trailer for the new Hobbit movie as a troll.

I don't know about that call either, as far as the letter of the rulebook goes, but I think it was the right result to the game. It wasn't as far off as most passes deemed un-catchable, but I don't think there was any chance of Gronk catching it either. At least from the way it looks to me. Had he not been touched at all, I don't think he could have shifted his momentum in the opposite direction and then beat the other defender to the ball. He didn't even try to cut back until he was 5 yards past where Lester intercepted it, and by that time the ball was pretty much already landing in Lester's hands. I think the fact that it was so damn blatant is what is causing all the controversy, but that's neither here nor there. Had it been some regular old contact which would normally draw a flag, I don't think it would have created such controversy.

As for Belichick, I don't understand all the hate for the guy. I think it's just a by-product of his success. Sure he's a little surly, but most football coaches are. I find Jim Harbaugh to be much more irritating than Belichick. Can you imagine how Harbaugh would have handled that? It probably would have made his other temper tantrums look tame. I like the 49ers, but Harbaugh makes it so damn hard to cheer for them.

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Good MNF game last night. Nice to see Carolina do well. Another team with really good D. I'm detecting a pattern here. DK about the noncall at the end of the game though. Nice to see the evil Belichick lose on questionable call. I think I saw him in the trailer for the new Hobbit movie as a troll.

I don't know about that call either, as far as the letter of the rulebook goes, but I think it was the right result to the game. It wasn't as far off as most passes deemed un-catchable, but I don't think there was any chance of Gronk catching it either. At least from the way it looks to me. Had he not been touched at all, I don't think he could have shifted his momentum in the opposite direction and then beat the other defender to the ball. He didn't even try to cut back until he was 5 yards past where Lester intercepted it, and by that time the ball was pretty much already landing in Lester's hands. I think the fact that it was so damn blatant is what is causing all the controversy, but that's neither here nor there. Had it been some regular old contact which would normally draw a flag, I don't think it would have created such controversy.

As for Belichick, I don't understand all the hate for the guy. I think it's just a by-product of his success. Sure he's a little surly, but most football coaches are. I find Jim Harbaugh to be much more irritating than Belichick. Can you imagine how Harbaugh would have handled that? It probably would have made his other temper tantrums look tame. I like the 49ers, but Harbaugh makes it so damn hard to cheer for them.

My dislike of Belichick comes from the Super Bowl cheating scandal. Not that I like the Rams but spying on them was totally wrong. He should of been suspended for a season like Sean Payton, IMO. Don't get me wrong, I really dislike Jim Harbaugh, too. He's a jerk. Pete Carroll, although he has some taint from USC scandal, is a breath of fresh air. Very likeable & seems to have a plan that is working. Of course, there was some luck involved too (drafting Russell Wilson) but Pete's policy that you have to earn your playing time has been huge. & he has stuck by it. Most teams would have Matt Flynn starting at this point because they spent the big bucks. Incidentally, the 2 Seahawks (Richard Sherman & Doug Baldwin) who played for Harbaugh @ Stanford both dislike him pretty intensely. Says something.

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Good MNF game last night. Nice to see Carolina do well. Another team with really good D. I'm detecting a pattern here. DK about the noncall at the end of the game though. Nice to see the evil Belichick lose on questionable call. I think I saw him in the trailer for the new Hobbit movie as a troll.

I don't know about that call either, as far as the letter of the rulebook goes, but I think it was the right result to the game. It wasn't as far off as most passes deemed un-catchable, but I don't think there was any chance of Gronk catching it either. At least from the way it looks to me. Had he not been touched at all, I don't think he could have shifted his momentum in the opposite direction and then beat the other defender to the ball. He didn't even try to cut back until he was 5 yards past where Lester intercepted it, and by that time the ball was pretty much already landing in Lester's hands. I think the fact that it was so damn blatant is what is causing all the controversy, but that's neither here nor there. Had it been some regular old contact which would normally draw a flag, I don't think it would have created such controversy.

As for Belichick, I don't understand all the hate for the guy. I think it's just a by-product of his success. Sure he's a little surly, but most football coaches are. I find Jim Harbaugh to be much more irritating than Belichick. Can you imagine how Harbaugh would have handled that? It probably would have made his other temper tantrums look tame. I like the 49ers, but Harbaugh makes it so damn hard to cheer for them.

My dislike of Belichick comes from the Super Bowl cheating scandal. Not that I like the Rams but spying on them was totally wrong. He should of been suspended for a season like Sean Payton, IMO. Don't get me wrong, I really dislike Jim Harbaugh, too. He's a jerk. Pete Carroll, although he has some taint from USC scandal, is a breath of fresh air. Very likeable & seems to have a plan that is working. Of course, there was some luck involved too (drafting Russell Wilson) but Pete's policy that you have to earn your playing time has been huge. & he has stuck by it. Most teams would have Matt Flynn starting at this point because they spent the big bucks. Incidentally, the 2 Seahawks (Richard Sherman & Doug Baldwin) who played for Harbaugh @ Stanford both dislike him pretty intensely. Says something.

That's not a very good reason to hate him, unless you also hate every other football coach, because they ALL did it. And also, there was no Super Bowl taping scandal, they didn't tape the Rams. It's been proven. There was just an allegation made by the Boston Herald, which they later retracted. They did do it in the regular season, like the others did. New England were just the ones who got caught. Denver got busted in 2010, but nobody really cared, because people don't have hate boners for Denver the way they do for New England.

When I was in high school, taping other teams and their signals was common practice, as it is (or was) at every level. At every one of our games there would be a coach from each team in our district, as well as probable playoff opponents, up at the top of the bleachers recording us or our opponent, and the signals. And our coaches went to games and did the same thing. Nobody cared, our coaches would go up there and shoot the breeze with them, it was just common practice. Part of the game. That's why you have multiple coaches giving different signals and only they know which one is legit. In fact, my Junior year I was out for 2 games with a shoulder injury, and I was made a taper. I went with an assistant coach to games at two other schools and he recorded the signals while I recorded the game.

The whole thing was making a mountain out of a molehill. Even Mangini, who turned them in has said so. He says it really gave them no advantage, he just didn't want them doing it at his stadium. He says it's his biggest regret and the one decision he wishes he could take back. Because it essentially made New England pariahs for doing something everybody was doing. Even Jimmy Johnson came out and said everybody, including himself, did it.

Belichick should be suspended for life just for being such a jerk.

There's talk on the talk radio, what little of it there is since it's a commercial interupted by talk radio, that if (ha ha) the Falcants lose to the Saints tonight coach Mike Smith is on the hot seat and will lose his job.

Just because of one bad season? I find that difficult to believe, although they do arrogantly believe they are the best in Cantlanta, of which this season they have been reminded that they suck no matter what. Gave that QB all that money for nothing. Hilarious. Roddy White can stay at Applebees all he wants with his little hurt foot. Hopefully he'll stick his little hurt foot in his mouth and finally STFU.

I agree with Gaslight's assessment of the Falcons.

Funny thing, Atlanta is hell bent on building new stadiums on the taxpayer's back when there is nothing wrong with Turner Field or the Georgia Dome.

They will also collect the needed funds by ticketing even more motorists innocently travelling I-95.

I would never live in that state.

I do appreciate others' favorability towards Ga.



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Im looking for Brees to have one of his best games of the year tonight, hopefully he will throw (AND I MEAN THROW!!!) at least 6 touchdowns and hopefully at least 2 of them will be to Jimmy Graham.

I have nothing against Atlanta, or Georgia, but it doesnt look like this is their year, and that is how it goes in the NFL.



While we are at it.. maybe a good time to...

American Football Conference - 2013 Regular Season
AFC East Team W L T Pct PF PA Net Pts TD Home Road Div Pct Conf Pct Non-Conf Streak Last 5
New England Patriots 7 3 0 .700 254 199 55 26 5-0 2-3 3-1 .750 4-2 .667 3-1 1L 3-2
New York Jets 5 5 0 .500 183 268 -85 16 4-1 1-4 2-2 .500 2-5 .286 3-0 1L 2-3
Miami Dolphins 5 5 0 .500 213 225 -12 23 3-2 2-3 0-2 .000 4-3 .571 1-2 1W 2-3
Buffalo Bills 4 7 0 .364 236 273 -37 24 3-3 1-4 2-2 .500 3-6 .333 1-1 1W 2-3

AFC North Team W L T Pct PF PA Net Pts TD Home Road Div Pct Conf Pct Non-Conf Streak Last 5
Cincinnati Bengals 7 4 0 .636 275 206 69 33 5-0 2-4 2-2 .500 5-3 .625 2-1 1W 3-2
Pittsburgh Steelers 4 6 0 .400 216 245 -29 21 3-2 1-4 1-1 .500 3-4 .429 1-2 2W 3-2
Baltimore Ravens 4 6 0 .400 208 212 -4 21 3-1 1-5 2-2 .500 4-4 .500 0-2 1L 1-4
Cleveland Browns 4 6 0 .400 192 238 -46 21 3-2 1-4 2-2 .500 3-4 .429 1-2 1L 1-4

AFC South Team W L T Pct PF PA Net Pts TD Home Road Div Pct Conf Pct Non-Conf Streak Last 5
Indianapolis Colts 7 3 0 .700 252 220 32 27 3-2 4-1 3-0 1.000 5-2 .714 2-1 1W 3-2
Tennessee Titans 4 6 0 .400 227 226 1 26 2-4 2-2 0-3 .000 3-4 .429 1-2 2L 1-4
Houston Texans 2 8 0 .200 193 276 -83 20 1-4 1-4 1-1 .500 2-4 .333 0-4 8L 0-5
Jacksonville Jaguars 1 9 0 .100 129 318 -189 13 0-5 1-4 1-1 .500 1-5 .167 0-4 1L 1-4

AFC West Team W L T Pct PF PA Net Pts TD Home Road Div Pct Conf Pct Non-Conf Streak Last 5
Denver Broncos 9 1 0 .900 398 255 143 51 6-0 3-1 3-0 1.000 5-1 .833 4-0 3W 4-1
Kansas City Chiefs 9 1 0 .900 232 138 94 25 5-0 4-1 1-1 .500 6-1 .857 3-0 1L 4-1
Oakland Raiders 4 6 0 .400 194 246 -52 23 3-2 1-4 1-2 .333 4-3 .571 0-3 1W 2-3
San Diego Chargers 4 6 0 .400 228 222 6 24 2-2 2-4 0-2 .000 2-5 .286 2-1 3L 2-3






National Football Conference - 2013 Regular Season
NFC East Team W L T Pct PF PA Net Pts TD Home Road Div Pct Conf Pct Non-Conf Streak Last 5
Philadelphia Eagles 6 5 0 .545 276 260 16 32 1-4 5-1 3-2 .600 5-2 .714 1-3 3W 3-2
Dallas Cowboys 5 5 0 .500 274 258 16 32 4-1 1-4 3-0 1.000 5-2 .714 0-3 1L 3-2
New York Giants 4 6 0 .400 192 256 -64 21 3-2 1-4 1-2 .333 3-4 .429 1-2 4W 4-1
Washington Redskins 3 7 0 .300 246 311 -65 31 2-2 1-5 0-3 .000 1-6 .143 2-1 2L 2-3

NFC North Team W L T Pct PF PA Net Pts TD Home Road Div Pct Conf Pct Non-Conf Streak Last 5
Detroit Lions 6 4 0 .600 265 253 12 32 3-1 3-3 3-1 .750 5-2 .714 1-2 1L 3-2
Chicago Bears 6 4 0 .600 282 267 15 32 4-2 2-2 2-2 .500 3-4 .429 3-0 1W 3-2
Green Bay Packers 5 5 0 .500 258 239 19 27 3-2 2-3 2-1 .667 3-4 .429 2-1 3L 2-3
Minnesota Vikings 2 8 0 .200 240 320 -80 28 2-3 0-5 0-3 .000 1-7 .125 1-1 1L 1-4

NFC South Team W L T Pct PF PA Net Pts TD Home Road Div Pct Conf Pct Non-Conf Streak Last 5
New Orleans Saints 8 2 0 .800 288 183 105 33 6-0 2-2 2-0 1.000 6-0 1.000 2-2 2W 3-2
Carolina Panthers 7 3 0 .700 238 135 103 28 4-1 3-2 2-0 1.000 6-2 .750 1-1 6W 5-0
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2 8 0 .200 187 237 -50 20 2-4 0-4 1-3 .250 1-6 .143 1-2 2W 2-3
Atlanta Falcons 2 8 0 .200 214 292 -78 24 2-3 0-5 1-3 .250 2-5 .286 0-3 4L 1-4

NFC West Team W L T Pct PF PA Net Pts TD Home Road Div Pct Conf Pct Non-Conf Streak Last 5
Seattle Seahawks 10 1 0 .909 306 179 127 33 5-0 5-1 3-0 1.000 7-0 1.000 3-1 6W 5-0
San Francisco 49ers 6 4 0 .600 247 178 69 29 3-2 3-2 2-1 .667 3-3 .500 3-1 2L 3-2
Arizona Cardinals 6 4 0 .600 214 212 2 23 4-1 2-3 0-3 .000 4-4 .500 2-0 3W 3-2
St. Louis Rams 4 6 0 .400 224 234 -10 25 2-3 2-3 1-2 .333 1-5 .167



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I have Breeze as well - Max look for a stellar performance by the Saints and another dagger in the hearts of Falcon fans!

The most glaring thing I see is how bad the records are in the NFC East and North. Some of the historically best NFL teams are having bad years. It is like no one wants to win.... maybe it is because they know the prize for being the best is basically a trip to stay home and play in the coldest Super Bowl played in Lventymillionyears?

"basically a trip to stay home and play in the coldest Super Bowl played in Lventymillionyears?"

I've got to watch the game in a few minutes - but let me comment quickly. Superbowl in NJ makes as much since as a Polar Bear trying to get a tan on South Beach. Total Nonsense. I hope it snows the same Superbowl day. OK - Others will say "the Colts -Giants (1959ish) played in the same weather"

Well that was then and is this is now. Elements of weather should not be a factor. Equal Blood, Equal Turf, & Equal Calls. Not askin too much?

Well, Super Bowl IV was played in pretty crappy weather And as Vince Lombardi said, "The weather doesn't beat you, the other team beats you."

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Well, Super Bowl IV was played in pretty crappy weather And as Vince Lombardi said, "The weather doesn't beat you, the other team beats you."

No offense- I simply disagree. Extrinsic factors can beat you. For example, player slips on ice, Referee makes bad call, etc...


Here is my point - Let's play the Superbowl where the playing field is equal and does not affect the outcome.

The conspiracy theory for holding this season's Super Bowl in this possibly frigid location is to freeze the mega rich (who pay $1000s for tickets to attend) so much that they will happily go along with any plans to establish a semi permanent location for ALL future Super Bowls, for example holding 5/6 of all future Super Bowls at a shiny new football stadium in Los Angeles, a stadium in a city without an NFL team or any NFL games scheduled... but who knows the real reason.



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Well, Super Bowl IV was played in pretty crappy weather And as Vince Lombardi said, "The weather doesn't beat you, the other team beats you."

No offense- I simply disagree. Extrinsic factors can beat you. For example, player slips on ice, Referee makes bad call, etc...


Here is my point - Let's play the Superbowl where the playing field is equal and does not affect the outcome.

Well, a ref can make a bad call in any type of weather. One can slip in any kind of weather. May as well play the World Series or Super Bowl in San Diego every year. Actually, years ago, one dumb LA Times sportswriter suggested having the World Series at Dodger Stadium every year.

I actually preferred it when they were at nuteral sites: Tulane Stadium, (though I think the Saints played there at the time), the Rose Bowl, Rice Stadium.

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The conspiracy theory for holding this season's Super Bowl in this possibly frigid location is to freeze the mega rich (who pay $1000s for tickets to attend) so much that they will happily go along with any plans to establish a semi permanent location for ALL future Super Bowls, for example holding 5/6 of all future Super Bowls at a shiny new football stadium in Los Angeles, a stadium in a city without an NFL team or any NFL games scheduled... but who knows the real reason.

I've had a little pipe dream for years regarding the Super Bowl. I went to Vegas for the game 1 year. They would not let any of the casinos use the name "Super Bowl" for any of their parties, The way I figure it is the NFL isn't happy they aren't in on the action. So here's my plan: cut the NFL in on the betting action. Build a state of the art stadium in Vegas & have the game there every year. You have the hotel infrastructure to handle the crowds & entertainment options galore. The weather that time of year isn't hot. I think the highest its been when I've been there around then was about 70. Most of the time the high is in the 60 range. In other words, perfect football weather. Its the biggest gambling day of the year. Why pretend it isn't? As far as the weather goes for this year's game, I think that if you get a Seattle/Denver or KC match up it isn't going to be a factor at all. If 1 of the wussie dome or no winter teams get in it could be. Football is meant to be played in any weather. You just adjust to it & shut up.

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Good MNF game last night. Nice to see Carolina do well. Another team with really good D. I'm detecting a pattern here. DK about the noncall at the end of the game though. Nice to see the evil Belichick lose on questionable call. I think I saw him in the trailer for the new Hobbit movie as a troll.

I don't know about that call either, as far as the letter of the rulebook goes, but I think it was the right result to the game. It wasn't as far off as most passes deemed un-catchable, but I don't think there was any chance of Gronk catching it either. At least from the way it looks to me. Had he not been touched at all, I don't think he could have shifted his momentum in the opposite direction and then beat the other defender to the ball. He didn't even try to cut back until he was 5 yards past where Lester intercepted it, and by that time the ball was pretty much already landing in Lester's hands. I think the fact that it was so damn blatant is what is causing all the controversy, but that's neither here nor there. Had it been some regular old contact which would normally draw a flag, I don't think it would have created such controversy.

As for Belichick, I don't understand all the hate for the guy. I think it's just a by-product of his success. Sure he's a little surly, but most football coaches are. I find Jim Harbaugh to be much more irritating than Belichick. Can you imagine how Harbaugh would have handled that? It probably would have made his other temper tantrums look tame. I like the 49ers, but Harbaugh makes it so damn hard to cheer for them.

My dislike of Belichick comes from the Super Bowl cheating scandal. Not that I like the Rams but spying on them was totally wrong. He should of been suspended for a season like Sean Payton, IMO. Don't get me wrong, I really dislike Jim Harbaugh, too. He's a jerk. Pete Carroll, although he has some taint from USC scandal, is a breath of fresh air. Very likeable & seems to have a plan that is working. Of course, there was some luck involved too (drafting Russell Wilson) but Pete's policy that you have to earn your playing time has been huge. & he has stuck by it. Most teams would have Matt Flynn starting at this point because they spent the big bucks. Incidentally, the 2 Seahawks (Richard Sherman & Doug Baldwin) who played for Harbaugh @ Stanford both dislike him pretty intensely. Says something.

That's not a very good reason to hate him, unless you also hate every other football coach, because they ALL did it. And also, there was no Super Bowl taping scandal, they didn't tape the Rams. It's been proven. There was just an allegation made by the Boston Herald, which they later retracted. They did do it in the regular season, like the others did. New England were just the ones who got caught. Denver got busted in 2010, but nobody really cared, because people don't have hate boners for Denver the way they do for New England.

When I was in high school, taping other teams and their signals was common practice, as it is (or was) at every level. At every one of our games there would be a coach from each team in our district, as well as probable playoff opponents, up at the top of the bleachers recording us or our opponent, and the signals. And our coaches went to games and did the same thing. Nobody cared, our coaches would go up there and shoot the breeze with them, it was just common practice. Part of the game. That's why you have multiple coaches giving different signals and only they know which one is legit. In fact, my Junior year I was out for 2 games with a shoulder injury, and I was made a taper. I went with an assistant coach to games at two other schools and he recorded the signals while I recorded the game.

The whole thing was making a mountain out of a molehill. Even Mangini, who turned them in has said so. He says it really gave them no advantage, he just didn't want them doing it at his stadium. He says it's his biggest regret and the one decision he wishes he could take back. Because it essentially made New England pariahs for doing something everybody was doing. Even Jimmy Johnson came out and said everybody, including himself, did it.

Even if "everybody" did it (an iffy statement at best) it doesn't make it right. Belichick is still an evil troll. Boston needs to get over itself almost as much as NYC. The rest of the country doesn't think as highly of them as they do themselves. Both are ok cities but IMO not better because they're old & falling apart in spots. I've traveled a lot & I must say that Boston has the rudest cab drivers I've ever dealt with by far. Don't get off the fender of your car to do your job & get me to my hotel. I could go on...

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Good MNF game last night. Nice to see Carolina do well. Another team with really good D. I'm detecting a pattern here. DK about the noncall at the end of the game though. Nice to see the evil Belichick lose on questionable call. I think I saw him in the trailer for the new Hobbit movie as a troll.

I don't know about that call either, as far as the letter of the rulebook goes, but I think it was the right result to the game. It wasn't as far off as most passes deemed un-catchable, but I don't think there was any chance of Gronk catching it either. At least from the way it looks to me. Had he not been touched at all, I don't think he could have shifted his momentum in the opposite direction and then beat the other defender to the ball. He didn't even try to cut back until he was 5 yards past where Lester intercepted it, and by that time the ball was pretty much already landing in Lester's hands. I think the fact that it was so damn blatant is what is causing all the controversy, but that's neither here nor there. Had it been some regular old contact which would normally draw a flag, I don't think it would have created such controversy.

As for Belichick, I don't understand all the hate for the guy. I think it's just a by-product of his success. Sure he's a little surly, but most football coaches are. I find Jim Harbaugh to be much more irritating than Belichick. Can you imagine how Harbaugh would have handled that? It probably would have made his other temper tantrums look tame. I like the 49ers, but Harbaugh makes it so damn hard to cheer for them.

My dislike of Belichick comes from the Super Bowl cheating scandal. Not that I like the Rams but spying on them was totally wrong. He should of been suspended for a season like Sean Payton, IMO. Don't get me wrong, I really dislike Jim Harbaugh, too. He's a jerk. Pete Carroll, although he has some taint from USC scandal, is a breath of fresh air. Very likeable & seems to have a plan that is working. Of course, there was some luck involved too (drafting Russell Wilson) but Pete's policy that you have to earn your playing time has been huge. & he has stuck by it. Most teams would have Matt Flynn starting at this point because they spent the big bucks. Incidentally, the 2 Seahawks (Richard Sherman & Doug Baldwin) who played for Harbaugh @ Stanford both dislike him pretty intensely. Says something.

That's not a very good reason to hate him, unless you also hate every other football coach, because they ALL did it. And also, there was no Super Bowl taping scandal, they didn't tape the Rams. It's been proven. There was just an allegation made by the Boston Herald, which they later retracted. They did do it in the regular season, like the others did. New England were just the ones who got caught. Denver got busted in 2010, but nobody really cared, because people don't have hate boners for Denver the way they do for New England.

When I was in high school, taping other teams and their signals was common practice, as it is (or was) at every level. At every one of our games there would be a coach from each team in our district, as well as probable playoff opponents, up at the top of the bleachers recording us or our opponent, and the signals. And our coaches went to games and did the same thing. Nobody cared, our coaches would go up there and shoot the breeze with them, it was just common practice. Part of the game. That's why you have multiple coaches giving different signals and only they know which one is legit. In fact, my Junior year I was out for 2 games with a shoulder injury, and I was made a taper. I went with an assistant coach to games at two other schools and he recorded the signals while I recorded the game.

The whole thing was making a mountain out of a molehill. Even Mangini, who turned them in has said so. He says it really gave them no advantage, he just didn't want them doing it at his stadium. He says it's his biggest regret and the one decision he wishes he could take back. Because it essentially made New England pariahs for doing something everybody was doing. Even Jimmy Johnson came out and said everybody, including himself, did it.

everyone may do it but weren't the patriots doing it at other teams practices when no filming sessions are supposed to be going on?

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Good MNF game last night. Nice to see Carolina do well. Another team with really good D. I'm detecting a pattern here. DK about the noncall at the end of the game though. Nice to see the evil Belichick lose on questionable call. I think I saw him in the trailer for the new Hobbit movie as a troll.

I don't know about that call either, as far as the letter of the rulebook goes, but I think it was the right result to the game. It wasn't as far off as most passes deemed un-catchable, but I don't think there was any chance of Gronk catching it either. At least from the way it looks to me. Had he not been touched at all, I don't think he could have shifted his momentum in the opposite direction and then beat the other defender to the ball. He didn't even try to cut back until he was 5 yards past where Lester intercepted it, and by that time the ball was pretty much already landing in Lester's hands. I think the fact that it was so damn blatant is what is causing all the controversy, but that's neither here nor there. Had it been some regular old contact which would normally draw a flag, I don't think it would have created such controversy.

As for Belichick, I don't understand all the hate for the guy. I think it's just a by-product of his success. Sure he's a little surly, but most football coaches are. I find Jim Harbaugh to be much more irritating than Belichick. Can you imagine how Harbaugh would have handled that? It probably would have made his other temper tantrums look tame. I like the 49ers, but Harbaugh makes it so damn hard to cheer for them.

My dislike of Belichick comes from the Super Bowl cheating scandal. Not that I like the Rams but spying on them was totally wrong. He should of been suspended for a season like Sean Payton, IMO. Don't get me wrong, I really dislike Jim Harbaugh, too. He's a jerk. Pete Carroll, although he has some taint from USC scandal, is a breath of fresh air. Very likeable & seems to have a plan that is working. Of course, there was some luck involved too (drafting Russell Wilson) but Pete's policy that you have to earn your playing time has been huge. & he has stuck by it. Most teams would have Matt Flynn starting at this point because they spent the big bucks. Incidentally, the 2 Seahawks (Richard Sherman & Doug Baldwin) who played for Harbaugh @ Stanford both dislike him pretty intensely. Says something.

That's not a very good reason to hate him, unless you also hate every other football coach, because they ALL did it. And also, there was no Super Bowl taping scandal, they didn't tape the Rams. It's been proven. There was just an allegation made by the Boston Herald, which they later retracted. They did do it in the regular season, like the others did. New England were just the ones who got caught. Denver got busted in 2010, but nobody really cared, because people don't have hate boners for Denver the way they do for New England.

When I was in high school, taping other teams and their signals was common practice, as it is (or was) at every level. At every one of our games there would be a coach from each team in our district, as well as probable playoff opponents, up at the top of the bleachers recording us or our opponent, and the signals. And our coaches went to games and did the same thing. Nobody cared, our coaches would go up there and shoot the breeze with them, it was just common practice. Part of the game. That's why you have multiple coaches giving different signals and only they know which one is legit. In fact, my Junior year I was out for 2 games with a shoulder injury, and I was made a taper. I went with an assistant coach to games at two other schools and he recorded the signals while I recorded the game.

The whole thing was making a mountain out of a molehill. Even Mangini, who turned them in has said so. He says it really gave them no advantage, he just didn't want them doing it at his stadium. He says it's his biggest regret and the one decision he wishes he could take back. Because it essentially made New England pariahs for doing something everybody was doing. Even Jimmy Johnson came out and said everybody, including himself, did it.

everyone may do it but weren't the patriots doing it at other teams practices when no filming sessions are supposed to be going on?

Yes they were. That was the reason they got fined, etc.

I dislike Belchick because of the way he runs up the score. During their 'perfect' season, it was pretty disgusting. If Brady had blown his knee out while 30 points ahead in meaningless game, it would have served them right.

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I dislike Belchick because of the way he runs up the score. During their 'perfect' season, it was pretty disgusting. If Brady had blown his knee out while 30 points ahead in meaningless game, it would have served them right.

Harbaugh like that too. The worm sure has turned this year! Go Hawks! I'm a lost soul with the bye week & all. Putting on rock & roll shoes for Nine Inch Nails tonight as a substitute.

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Good MNF game last night. Nice to see Carolina do well. Another team with really good D. I'm detecting a pattern here. DK about the noncall at the end of the game though. Nice to see the evil Belichick lose on questionable call. I think I saw him in the trailer for the new Hobbit movie as a troll.

I don't know about that call either, as far as the letter of the rulebook goes, but I think it was the right result to the game. It wasn't as far off as most passes deemed un-catchable, but I don't think there was any chance of Gronk catching it either. At least from the way it looks to me. Had he not been touched at all, I don't think he could have shifted his momentum in the opposite direction and then beat the other defender to the ball. He didn't even try to cut back until he was 5 yards past where Lester intercepted it, and by that time the ball was pretty much already landing in Lester's hands. I think the fact that it was so damn blatant is what is causing all the controversy, but that's neither here nor there. Had it been some regular old contact which would normally draw a flag, I don't think it would have created such controversy.

As for Belichick, I don't understand all the hate for the guy. I think it's just a by-product of his success. Sure he's a little surly, but most football coaches are. I find Jim Harbaugh to be much more irritating than Belichick. Can you imagine how Harbaugh would have handled that? It probably would have made his other temper tantrums look tame. I like the 49ers, but Harbaugh makes it so damn hard to cheer for them.

My dislike of Belichick comes from the Super Bowl cheating scandal. Not that I like the Rams but spying on them was totally wrong. He should of been suspended for a season like Sean Payton, IMO. Don't get me wrong, I really dislike Jim Harbaugh, too. He's a jerk. Pete Carroll, although he has some taint from USC scandal, is a breath of fresh air. Very likeable & seems to have a plan that is working. Of course, there was some luck involved too (drafting Russell Wilson) but Pete's policy that you have to earn your playing time has been huge. & he has stuck by it. Most teams would have Matt Flynn starting at this point because they spent the big bucks. Incidentally, the 2 Seahawks (Richard Sherman & Doug Baldwin) who played for Harbaugh @ Stanford both dislike him pretty intensely. Says something.

That's not a very good reason to hate him, unless you also hate every other football coach, because they ALL did it. And also, there was no Super Bowl taping scandal, they didn't tape the Rams. It's been proven. There was just an allegation made by the Boston Herald, which they later retracted. They did do it in the regular season, like the others did. New England were just the ones who got caught. Denver got busted in 2010, but nobody really cared, because people don't have hate boners for Denver the way they do for New England.

When I was in high school, taping other teams and their signals was common practice, as it is (or was) at every level. At every one of our games there would be a coach from each team in our district, as well as probable playoff opponents, up at the top of the bleachers recording us or our opponent, and the signals. And our coaches went to games and did the same thing. Nobody cared, our coaches would go up there and shoot the breeze with them, it was just common practice. Part of the game. That's why you have multiple coaches giving different signals and only they know which one is legit. In fact, my Junior year I was out for 2 games with a shoulder injury, and I was made a taper. I went with an assistant coach to games at two other schools and he recorded the signals while I recorded the game.

The whole thing was making a mountain out of a molehill. Even Mangini, who turned them in has said so. He says it really gave them no advantage, he just didn't want them doing it at his stadium. He says it's his biggest regret and the one decision he wishes he could take back. Because it essentially made New England pariahs for doing something everybody was doing. Even Jimmy Johnson came out and said everybody, including himself, did it.

everyone may do it but weren't the patriots doing it at other teams practices when no filming sessions are supposed to be going on?

Yes they were. That was the reason they got fined, etc.

No, it was just at games. There was the allegation made by the Boston Herald that they filmed the Rams doing their walkthrough before the Super Bowl, but that turned out to be false. The Herald ran a front page apology/retraction after they found out their unnamed source had lied about it.

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Even if "everybody" did it (an iffy statement at best) it doesn't make it right. Belichick is still an evil troll. Boston needs to get over itself almost as much as NYC. The rest of the country doesn't think as highly of them as they do themselves. Both are ok cities but IMO not better because they're old & falling apart in spots. I've traveled a lot & I must say that Boston has the rudest cab drivers I've ever dealt with by far. Don't get off the fender of your car to do your job & get me to my hotel. I could go on...

I don't know if it makes it right, I'm just saying there's no reason to single out Belichick for something that was common. Everybody may be "iffy", I'm sure there is a coach out there who didn't do it, but I just meant (and I'm guessing Mangini and Johnson also meant) it was very common and had been so long before Spygate. As for Boston needing to get over itself, I don't know anything about all of that. Or what Boston's cab drivers have to do with football or Belichick. And I still don't understand what makes him "evil". He certainly seems like a dick, but if we're going to kick every dickhead out of the NFL there wouldn't be many people left. I think there are bigger dickheads than Belichick, but his success is probably a factor in everybody hating him so much. If he were coaching Seattle to Super Bowls I'm guessing you wouldn't think he was so evil.

I hate Atlanta. Five Points is the only good thing about Atlanta. Georgia is beautiful - except for Atlanta. There's just something about Atlanta that drives me crazy.

So it's fun when they lose to the Saints.

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The conspiracy theory for holding this season's Super Bowl in this possibly frigid location is to freeze the mega rich (who pay $1000s for tickets to attend) so much that they will happily go along with any plans to establish a semi permanent location for ALL future Super Bowls, for example holding 5/6 of all future Super Bowls at a shiny new football stadium in Los Angeles, a stadium in a city without an NFL team or any NFL games scheduled... but who knows the real reason.

Bobblehead Goodell is ruining the NFL. Thursday games are ridiculous. London is ridiculous. Yet owners use the 'we'll move to Los Angeles if we don't get what we want' excuse for getting new stadiums: Goodell doesn't want a team in LA.

Yet... and he makes it clear, a city can't have a Super Bowl without having a team.

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The conspiracy theory for holding this season's Super Bowl in this possibly frigid location is to freeze the mega rich (who pay $1000s for tickets to attend) so much that they will happily go along with any plans to establish a semi permanent location for ALL future Super Bowls, for example holding 5/6 of all future Super Bowls at a shiny new football stadium in Los Angeles, a stadium in a city without an NFL team or any NFL games scheduled... but who knows the real reason.

Bobblehead Goodell is ruining the NFL. Thursday games are ridiculous. London is ridiculous. Yet owners use the 'we'll move to Los Angeles if we don't get what we want' excuse for getting new stadiums: Goodell doesn't want a team in LA.

Yet... and he makes it clear, a city can't have a Super Bowl without having a team.

I'd love to see the Rams go back to Los Angeles. I still cannot get used to them in St. Louis...one of my fave teams from the 70's & 80's.

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I don't know if it makes it right, I'm just saying there's no reason to single out Belichick for something that was common. Everybody may be "iffy", I'm sure there is a coach out there who didn't do it, but I just meant (and I'm guessing Mangini and Johnson also meant) it was very common and had been so long before Spygate. As for Boston needing to get over itself, I don't know anything about all of that. Or what Boston's cab drivers have to do with football or Belichick. And I still don't understand what makes him "evil". He certainly seems like a dick, but if we're going to kick every dickhead out of the NFL there wouldn't be many people left. I think there are bigger dickheads than Belichick, but his success is probably a factor in everybody hating him so much. If he were coaching Seattle to Super Bowls I'm guessing you wouldn't think he was so evil.

Hey, give me a break it was the middle of the night! Even if he was in Seattle, I wouldn't like him. I abhor dishonesty in all its forms. Gets me in trouble at times & more often serves me. I can live with myself & that's a good thing to have in life.

NFL Sunday finally here! I am a lost soul without a Seahawks game though. Looks like I get SD/KC in the morning & Dallas/NYG (yawn) in the afternoon. Denver/NE should be a good one tonight. Wish the NO/Seattle game was happening this weekend. That game will probably decide home field for playoffs in the NFC. Guess I'll have to save my vocal chords this weekend for that!

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NFL Sunday finally here! I am a lost soul without a Seahawks game though. Looks like I get SD/KC in the morning & Dallas/NYG (yawn) in the afternoon. Denver/NE should be a good one tonight. Wish the NO/Seattle game was happening this weekend. That game will probably decide home field for playoffs in the NFC. Guess I'll have to save my vocal chords this weekend for that!

Giants/Dallas could be a very exciting game with lots of passing. It is a very meaningful game to the men on both teams, so they will probably be going all out to win. At 4-6 this game is probably a must win for the Giants if they want any hopes of the playoffs, as for Dallas at 5-5 this is a good chance to put some distance on the Giants.

NFC East Team W L
Philadelphia Eagles 6 5
Dallas Cowboys 5 5 COULD BE 6-5... OR 5-6
New York Giants 4 6 COULD BE 4-7... OR 5-6 big differences
Washington Redskins 3 7 deadskins

I think it looks like a big time NFC East game with the Giants being the (home field) favorite by 2.5 points. These two quarterbacks who can throw a for a lot of yardage... so stay awake it could be fun to watch.



As for the Chiefs game, open your window sometime during the game and enjoy watching the folks in KC freeze their buns off. Right now it is 15 degrees and it will only be about 20 degrees at kickofff BUUURRRRRRRR!!! Phyllis Rivers understands the horror of what Arrowhead can be, so he may be ready, but still, I doubt those southern Cal boys will enjoy their Sunday.

I am betting Rivers will try to be braver than Manning was against KC today and may be willing to take more time in the pocket (last Sunday Manning got rid of that ball faster than any QB in NFL history, the longest he had it was 3.2 seconds, with an average of 2.2 seconds, and BANG BANG (HURRY HURRY as Peyton says) it was gone, long before KC (or any defense) could get to him). But if Rivers spends too much time looking, BAM!!! he will be seeing stars. I bet after last weeks drought the KC defense is jonsing to rip off someone's head off and it may be Rivers who will feel the the pain, unless he gets rid of the ball as fast as Manning did.

Anyway, the Dallas/NY game might be more exciting than the Chiefs/Chargers game, unless one is a BIG fan of one of the teams. I think the Chiefs will win... and I bet that Dallas will lose.



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NFL Sunday finally here! I am a lost soul without a Seahawks game though. Looks like I get SD/KC in the morning & Dallas/NYG (yawn) in the afternoon. Denver/NE should be a good one tonight. Wish the NO/Seattle game was happening this weekend. That game will probably decide home field for playoffs in the NFC. Guess I'll have to save my vocal chords this weekend for that!

Giants/Dallas could be a very exciting game with lots of passing. It is a very meaningful game to the men on both teams, so they will probably be going all out to win. At 4-6 this game is probably a must win for the Giants if they want any hopes of the playoffs, as for Dallas at 5-5 this is a good chance to put some distance on the Giants.

NFC East Team W L
Philadelphia Eagles 6 5
Dallas Cowboys 5 5 COULD BE 6-5... OR 5-6
New York Giants 4 6 COULD BE 4-7... OR 5-6 big differences
Washington Redskins 3 7 deadskins

I think it looks like a big time NFC East game with the Giants being the (home field) favorite by 2.5 points. These two quarterbacks who can throw a for a lot of yardage... so stay awake it could be fun to watch.



As for the Chiefs game, open your window sometime during the game and enjoy watching the folks in KC freeze their buns off. Right now it is 15 degrees and it will only be about 20 degrees at kickofff BUUURRRRRRRR!!! Phyllis Rivers understands the horror of what Arrowhead can be, so he may be ready, but still, I doubt those southern Cal boys will enjoy their Sunday.

I am betting Rivers will try to be braver than Manning was against KC today and may be willing to take more time in the pocket (last Sunday Manning got rid of that ball faster than any QB in NFL history, the longest he had it was 3.2 seconds, with an average of 2.2 seconds, and BANG BANG (HURRY HURRY as Peyton says) it was gone, long before KC (or any defense) could get to him). But if Rivers spends too much time looking, BAM!!! he will be seeing stars. I bet after last weeks drought the KC defense is jonsing to rip off someone's head off and it may be Rivers who will feel the the pain, unless he gets rid of the ball as fast as Manning did.

Anyway, the Dallas/NY game might be more exciting than the Chiefs/Chargers game, unless one is a BIG fan of one of the teams. I think the Chiefs will win... and I bet that Dallas will lose.

Been chilly here too, Max's. No where near as cold as what you're dealing with though. You're right about Dallas/NYG. I just don't like either of those teams. We get the Giants in NJ in a few weeks. I sure would like a nice surprise choke by the Whiners on MNF although since we are 3.5 games up on them in the division not as worried about them as the Aints. I guess it will be nice just to chill & watch games today without the big emotional investment. Still recovering from NIN concert on Friday night & the emotional investment there (long story, somewhat good). 3 day work week coming up is nice, then a week off. Just biding time until 12/2, the day we may reclaim the stadium noise title. Hope Chiefs do well today. They do have a hard road til the end of the season. I can seriously see a scenario where them & the Donkeys are tied at end of the season. Go Hawks!><