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MisterDDDD
As respectfully as I can put this..


Can this thread be moved to the one recently created where it belongs??
The "crazy complaint" thread??

no, that thread is for crazy complaints. You think "we want Mick Taylor on more songs please" is crazy?

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Midnight Toker
Virtually every song being played on stage. MT recorded with them.

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winter
If we're only going to get him 12 minutes a night, put him on something instead of MR. I'd rather he get to play on two 6-minute 'regular' formatted (verse/chorus) songs as a real soloist. MR, frankly, is one morass of tempo changes, vamps, the complete stop near song's end, jam changes, etc. Unlike most of their set, it's not an easy song to pick a classic solo line thru. The dynamics change night to night and it's not one of the songs that suffered without a good lead before. Over the last 10 years, even if Keef and Ronnie were both having an off night, they could still pull off great Ramblers.

On the other hand, songs like SFTD, YCAGWYW, Dead Flowers, GS, SFM, ADTL, etc or songs that have a built-in guitar break/solo, have been subpar in that department many nights on the last 2 tours. Those are the types of songs he should be featured on; they're songs that are more formatted for a soloist to work over AND they have that built-in 'time limit' of 2 verses worth that would erase Jagger's concerns over the jam-style numbers (CYHMK, Sway coda, and even MR) going on for too long.

They have all this off-time between shows; surely it can't be that difficult to tackle 2-3 songs and get them up to Jagger's approval level! They play many of these songs anyway without Taylor; it doesn't have to be Sway or CYHMK. Why not LIV and ADTL?

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Fixembones
To Mick Jagger: USE TAYLOR!!!! He is traveling with the band and not only does he make the music better on stage, but its even a better show for the fans!!! Please!!! Use him on wayyy more songs!!! Do it!!

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winter
If we're only going to get him 12 minutes a night, put him on something instead of MR. I'd rather he get to play on two 6-minute 'regular' formatted (verse/chorus) songs as a real soloist. MR, frankly, is one morass of tempo changes, vamps, the complete stop near song's end, jam changes, etc. Unlike most of their set, it's not an easy song to pick a classic solo line thru. The dynamics change night to night and it's not one of the songs that suffered without a good lead before. Over the last 10 years, even if Keef and Ronnie were both having an off night, they could still pull off great Ramblers.

On the other hand, songs like SFTD, YCAGWYW, Dead Flowers, GS, SFM, ADTL, etc or songs that have a built-in guitar break/solo, have been subpar in that department many nights on the last 2 tours. Those are the types of songs he should be featured on; they're songs that are more formatted for a soloist to work over AND they have that built-in 'time limit' of 2 verses worth that would erase Jagger's concerns over the jam-style numbers (CYHMK, Sway coda, and even MR) going on for too long.

They have all this off-time between shows; surely it can't be that difficult to tackle 2-3 songs and get them up to Jagger's approval level! They play many of these songs anyway without Taylor; it doesn't have to be Sway or CYHMK. Why not LIV and ADTL?

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winter
If we're only going to get him 12 minutes a night, put him on something instead of MR. I'd rather he get to play on two 6-minute 'regular' formatted (verse/chorus) songs as a real soloist. MR, frankly, is one morass of tempo changes, vamps, the complete stop near song's end, jam changes, etc. Unlike most of their set, it's not an easy song to pick a classic solo line thru. The dynamics change night to night and it's not one of the songs that suffered without a good lead before. Over the last 10 years, even if Keef and Ronnie were both having an off night, they could still pull off great Ramblers.

On the other hand, songs like SFTD, YCAGWYW, Dead Flowers, GS, SFM, ADTL, etc or songs that have a built-in guitar break/solo, have been subpar in that department many nights on the last 2 tours. Those are the types of songs he should be featured on; they're songs that are more formatted for a soloist to work over AND they have that built-in 'time limit' of 2 verses worth that would erase Jagger's concerns over the jam-style numbers (CYHMK, Sway coda, and even MR) going on for too long.

They have all this off-time between shows; surely it can't be that difficult to tackle 2-3 songs and get them up to Jagger's approval level! They play many of these songs anyway without Taylor; it doesn't have to be Sway or CYHMK. Why not LIV and ADTL?

Yes I agree completely. It is so frustrating that they are using Mick Taylor for Midnight Rambler because the song worked even better with only Richards and Wood, it was more consistent and energetic without Taylor.

So they are using Mick Taylor for a completely wrong song. Please use Taylor for something that really was missing some great lead playing before, for example Sympathy or Love in Vain (Sway and CYHMK are also okay of course). Anything but Midnight Rambler! And exactly as Winter said they can put two normal songs in place of 12 minute Midnight Rambler! Can't understand Jagger here...

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winter
If we're only going to get him 12 minutes a night, put him on something instead of MR. I'd rather he get to play on two 6-minute 'regular' formatted (verse/chorus) songs as a real soloist. MR, frankly, is one morass of tempo changes, vamps, the complete stop near song's end, jam changes, etc. Unlike most of their set, it's not an easy song to pick a classic solo line thru. The dynamics change night to night and it's not one of the songs that suffered without a good lead before. Over the last 10 years, even if Keef and Ronnie were both having an off night, they could still pull off great Ramblers.

On the other hand, songs like SFTD, YCAGWYW, Dead Flowers, GS, SFM, ADTL, etc or songs that have a built-in guitar break/solo, have been subpar in that department many nights on the last 2 tours. Those are the types of songs he should be featured on; they're songs that are more formatted for a soloist to work over AND they have that built-in 'time limit' of 2 verses worth that would erase Jagger's concerns over the jam-style numbers (CYHMK, Sway coda, and even MR) going on for too long.

They have all this off-time between shows; surely it can't be that difficult to tackle 2-3 songs and get them up to Jagger's approval level! They play many of these songs anyway without Taylor; it doesn't have to be Sway or CYHMK. Why not LIV and ADTL?

Yes I agree completely. It is so frustrating that they are using Mick Taylor for Midnight Rambler because the song worked even better with only Richards and Wood, it was more consistent and energetic without Taylor.

So they are using Mick Taylor for a completely wrong song. Please use Taylor for something that really was missing some great lead playing before, for example Sympathy or Love in Vain (Sway and CYHMK are also okay of course). Anything but Midnight Rambler! And exactly as Winter said they can put two normal songs in place of 12 minute Midnight Rambler! Can't understand Jagger here...

Well, I explained it.

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winter
If we're only going to get him 12 minutes a night, put him on something instead of MR. I'd rather he get to play on two 6-minute 'regular' formatted (verse/chorus) songs as a real soloist. MR, frankly, is one morass of tempo changes, vamps, the complete stop near song's end, jam changes, etc. Unlike most of their set, it's not an easy song to pick a classic solo line thru. The dynamics change night to night and it's not one of the songs that suffered without a good lead before. Over the last 10 years, even if Keef and Ronnie were both having an off night, they could still pull off great Ramblers.

On the other hand, songs like SFTD, YCAGWYW, Dead Flowers, GS, SFM, ADTL, etc or songs that have a built-in guitar break/solo, have been subpar in that department many nights on the last 2 tours. Those are the types of songs he should be featured on; they're songs that are more formatted for a soloist to work over AND they have that built-in 'time limit' of 2 verses worth that would erase Jagger's concerns over the jam-style numbers (CYHMK, Sway coda, and even MR) going on for too long.

They have all this off-time between shows; surely it can't be that difficult to tackle 2-3 songs and get them up to Jagger's approval level! They play many of these songs anyway without Taylor; it doesn't have to be Sway or CYHMK. Why not LIV and ADTL?

Interesting idea, winter, but I don't think it'll happen. It's not accidental that Taylor's regular 'song' is MR and that he got Sway and Knocking once, both for the ('truncated' (Sway) and 'uncontrolled' (Knocking)) solo. On Satisfaction he's only doing little things if he's audible at all, but Satisfaction is rather an extended riff than a well structured song like Dead Flowers and the like.

I think Taylor won't get some 'normal' songs to shine on. It wouldn't be 'compatible' with the brand of the band since decades. It reminds me of his playing during that famous Kansas concert in December 1981: hardly audible and present on the soundboard recording of that show. The result of a well deliberated decision. An audible and prominent Taylor would destroy the band's imgage. In 1981 and again in 2013. Still I hope to be proven wrong.

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Are they limiting MT to tracks he wasn't involved in creating??

Wonder if MT is only on MR and Satisfaction because they were created prior to him being a Stone and somehow limit his concert proceeds? Portions of LIB, or anything off SF/EOMS/GHS/IORR may perhaps mean he gets more $$ for his efforts??

Wouldn't put it past Jagger for there being a cashflow reason for MT's limited involvement.

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Watch out frightened people!
MT on more songs does not mean MT's show, RW's funeral, KR's eclipse, nor MJ's shame, but rebirth for all…

ROLLING STONES' REBIRTH

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duffydawg
Is there any doubt that the Staples Center CYHMK was one of the great RS moments since prior to 1981 - with the noted exception of Keef defending Mick from an attacker with his Telecaster while balloons were flying and he still had a smoke in his mouth?

Every Stones fan that I know thinks MT should be playing the whole show.

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Voted for Sway to be played tomorrow.....

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duffydawg
Voted for Sway to be played tomorrow.....

Holy Sh*t! Sway is on the list again? Wow, fingers crossed for you guys (and MT).

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duffydawg
Voted for Sway to be played tomorrow.....

Holy Sh*t! Sway is on the list again? Wow, fingers crossed for you guys (and MT).

Just because I hate it when you guys get all emotional after a show - be prepared for the possibility of them playing Sway without MT.

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duffydawg
Voted for Sway to be played tomorrow.....

Holy Sh*t! Sway is on the list again? Wow, fingers crossed for you guys (and MT).

Just because I hate it when you guys get all emotional after a show - be prepared for the possibility of them playing Sway without MT.

Why would they do that after playing it with him?

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sonomastone
... This is a band that routinely releases greatest hits collections with one or two new tracks just to soak their biggest fans for more money. I don't put anything past them. I love them for their music, not their reliability in doing the logical thing to make their fans happy.

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Well, my theory is Jagger (or whoever) is simply not going to let Taylor play on anything where it would cause a case for the band not being able to go back without Taylor and have it sound obviously inferior.

Midnight Rambler after all, sounds fine live without Taylor.

Satisfaction simply doesn't matter. Studio version is iconic. No one cares how it sounds live now, one way or another.

Sway, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, and LIV.... they never need go back to those three to begin with.

If we are lucky we'll hear Taylor join them on Street Fighting Man or I heard it through the Grapevine.

What we are not going to get, I don't believe, is Taylor on Dead Flowers, Angie, Gimmie Shelter.

Its unfortunate. I would have paid to see Taylor with the Stones, but as good a show as the Vegas Act is I've already paid and seen it, and prior, and I'll let this last tour go since they aren't serious about putting on best possible show.

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Voted for Sway to be played tomorrow.....

Holy Sh*t! Sway is on the list again? Wow, fingers crossed for you guys (and MT).

Just because I hate it when you guys get all emotional after a show - be prepared for the possibility of them playing Sway without MT.

Why would they do that after playing it with him?

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SweetThing
Well, my theory is Jagger (or whoever) is simply not going to let Taylor play on anything where it would cause a case for the band not being able to go back without Taylor and have it sound obviously inferior.

Midnight Rambler after all, sounds fine live without Taylor.

Satisfaction simply doesn't matter. Studio version is iconic. No one cares how it sounds live now, one way or another.

Sway, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, and LIV.... they never need go back to those three to begin with.

If we are lucky we'll hear Taylor join them on Street Fighting Man or I heard it through the Grapevine.



What we are not going to get, I don't believe, is Taylor on Dead Flowers, Angie, Gimmie Shelter.

Its unfortunate. I would have paid to see Taylor with the Stones, but as good a show as the Vegas Act is I've already paid and seen it, and prior, and I'll let this last tour go since they aren't serious about putting on best possible show.