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Sounds like some people did not go to many shows in the "old" days. Fact is The Rolling Stones could do an entire tour with the very same set list. That happened. May be the memory is fading... The Rolling Stones are not known for hanging a lot. Keith likes it safe. Mick likes it safe but do try a few noew ones at times. The fans do expect JJF, BS, GS, SFTD etc. Simple as that. If I get Memory Motel and Lady Jane I would be happy, but I do love the Stones whenever and whatever they play.

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How is it that Taylorites assume that someone who doesn't particularly enjoy his playing is somehow less aware of aspects of musicianship like taste and feel and band dynamics, etc? The level of snobbery concerning Taylor worshipers is sad and hilarious.

I prefer Ronnie's tone. I much prefer the band dynamic with Ronnie. I definitely prefer Ronnie's taste as a guitarist to Taylor's, but that doesn't mean I think Taylor groupies are morons.

Putting your own tastes on some sort of self made pedestal is kind of pathetic.

Enjoy the shows!

God bless Ron Wood.

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How is it that Taylorites assume that someone who doesn't particularly enjoy his playing is somehow less aware of aspects of musicianship like taste and feel and band dynamics, etc? The level of snobbery concerning Taylor worshipers is sad and hilarious.

I prefer Ronnie's tone. I much prefer the band dynamic with Ronnie. I definitely prefer Ronnie's taste as a guitarist to Taylor's, but that doesn't mean I think Taylor groupies are morons.

Putting your own tastes on some sort of self made pedestal is kind of pathetic.

Enjoy the shows!

God bless Ron Wood.

I said what I said because of all the idiotic comments here about people not liking Taylor because they hate "long solos". I didn't say it was you, so I don't know why you took it so personally. There was nothing snobby about what I posted, it was a direct response to what several people have said. I stand by my comments 100%. By the way, you know who also thinks the band did its best work with Taylor? Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, and Bill Wyman.

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Pfft. It's because you guys obviously don't know what you are talking about.
Do I think people who don't like Mick Taylor are morons? Yes I do because you keep fighting a battle without merit. As for those of us who do or have appreciated Mick Taylor's talent, our group includes Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Ron Wood himself, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Slash, John Mayall and on and on.

Mick Taylor is a hugely influential guitarist. One of the best in the world. But you would rather trade your Aston Martin One-77 worth $1,850,000.
for a Nissan Versa 1.6 S worth $12,780. Don't you see how illogical we find your arguments? You guys don't deserve a respected opinion because you don't have one to offer.

Yes you are sooo right that Mick Taylor doesn't sound good. The professionals should listen to you people who know what good sound is, and are the authorities on what great musicianship is. It's not our fault that you don't know what you're talking about, yet you guys constantly attack Mick Taylor. I am not going to back down because some ignoramouses with little brains can't find anything positive to say. Then again, there's the saying "Don't argue with stupid people because they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

So true in your cases.

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How is it that Taylorites assume that someone who doesn't particularly enjoy his playing is somehow less aware of aspects of musicianship like taste and feel and band dynamics, etc? The level of snobbery concerning Taylor worshipers is sad and hilarious.

I prefer Ronnie's tone. I much prefer the band dynamic with Ronnie. I definitely prefer Ronnie's taste as a guitarist to Taylor's, but that doesn't mean I think Taylor groupies are morons.

Putting your own tastes on some sort of self made pedestal is kind of pathetic.

Enjoy the shows!

God bless Ron Wood.

I said what I said because of all the idiotic comments here about people not liking Taylor because they hate "long solos". I didn't say it was you, so I don't know why you took it so personally. There was nothing snobby about what I posted, it was a direct response to what several people have said. I stand by my comments 100%. By the way, you know who also thinks the band did its best work with Taylor? Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, and Bill Wyman.

No it was me that said it, and 50+ people like you can`t handle it.

vermontoffender! Post of the month, thank you very much! Spot on!

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As a guitarist myself, I know for a fact that Mick Taylor as a guitarist is miles ahead of and better than Ronnie. Ronnie's playing is boring double note leads pretty near all the time. He's spent the last 30 years playing mostly uninspired solos with the exception of the reunion shows where he actually seems to be practicing again. Probably because he's sober.

If anyone is complaining about MT, you are too easily amused musically. Mick Taylor is a musician's musician. For those of us who are also musicians, MT is a welcome addition to hear a man who never plays the same way twice. He's a bootlegger's live recording dream come true and that is so much more appealing. Now don't ruin our enjoyment! You have the last 20 years worth of live recordings if you want to see and hear Ronnie. A change was needed.

Let us enjoy this now.

Who is better and worse is not the thing. I don't like MT:s sound, in fact i think he ruins their sound. Stones sound is not about perfect endless solos. And MT is that kind of guitarplayer. No Les Paul standards on stage please.

Yeah, but what you don't see is that sanQ is a guitarist. Therefore he knows for a fact that Mick T is a better guitar player. What of that don't you understand?
You are talking to a musician, man. Just accept it.
I'm changing my opinion at this moment (although I'm also a guitar player, but I didn't know that we - musicians - must prefer Mick T).[/quot

You are talking to me like i'm i child. Look you don't have to tell me that MT is a better musician than RW. I know a hell lot more about musicians and guitarplayers that you ever could imagine. Point is i don't like a guy with endless perfect solos ruin their sound on stage. It can never be the same as it was in 1969 or 1972 again. MT doesn't add anything to the band in 2013.

Ever heard of something called 'irony'.
I thought it was pretty obvious.

Its doubly ironic now though, isn't it?

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How is it that Taylorites assume that someone who doesn't particularly enjoy his playing is somehow less aware of aspects of musicianship like taste and feel and band dynamics, etc? The level of snobbery concerning Taylor worshipers is sad and hilarious.

I prefer Ronnie's tone. I much prefer the band dynamic with Ronnie. I definitely prefer Ronnie's taste as a guitarist to Taylor's, but that doesn't mean I think Taylor groupies are morons.

Putting your own tastes on some sort of self made pedestal is kind of pathetic.

Enjoy the shows!

God bless Ron Wood.

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This is a thread about the rehearsals, not about Mick Taylor. OK?

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Might give too much away, but it would be great if Ronnie posted the daily canvases he does at rehearsals. He put up a couple when he first got on Twitter.



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patetico Mick Taylor? abbiamo visto Taylor nei 5 concerti quanto è patetico ha dato lezioni a Ronnie e ha fatto volare il brano Midnight Rambler era da tempo che non sentivo una versione così....Ronnie è lui il vero patetico fa sempre le stesse cosette sia con gli stones e fuori dai stones! ma si vede che a qualcuno piace vederlo a fare il clown sul palco, a fumare, e bere, e a fare il figo Rocker......se ascolti brani come sway suonati da lui ti cascano i coglioni tanto per dirne uno...

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How is it that Taylorites assume that someone who doesn't particularly enjoy his playing is somehow less aware of aspects of musicianship like taste and feel and band dynamics, etc? The level of snobbery concerning Taylor worshipers is sad and hilarious.

I prefer Ronnie's tone. I much prefer the band dynamic with Ronnie. I definitely prefer Ronnie's taste as a guitarist to Taylor's, but that doesn't mean I think Taylor groupies are morons.

Putting your own tastes on some sort of self made pedestal is kind of pathetic.

Enjoy the shows!

God bless Ron Wood.

I said what I said because of all the idiotic comments here about people not liking Taylor because they hate "long solos". I didn't say it was you, so I don't know why you took it so personally. There was nothing snobby about what I posted, it was a direct response to what several people have said. I stand by my comments 100%. By the way, you know who also thinks the band did its best work with Taylor? Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, and Bill Wyman.

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Taylor is wildly overrated, as are his supposed contributions to the band.

I think the Stones would have been every bit as brilliant from '69-'74 with Ronnie in the band as they were with Taylor.

That said, I'm looking forward to hearing how they work Taylor into songs other than Rambler. It could be a catastrophic mess on any number of levels.

I do hope that it goes well, though, and I hope the Taylor fans get what they want from this tour; 39 years is a long time to wait for something that underwhelms.

God bless Ron Wood.

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Pfft. It's because you guys obviously don't know what you are talking about.
Do I think people who don't like Mick Taylor are morons? Yes I do because you keep fighting a battle without merit. As for those of us who do or have appreciated Mick Taylor's talent, our group includes Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Ron Wood himself, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Slash, John Mayall and on and on.

Mick Taylor is a hugely influential guitarist. One of the best in the world. But you would rather trade your Aston Martin One-77 worth $1,850,000.
for a Nissan Versa 1.6 S worth $12,780. Don't you see how illogical we find your arguments? You guys don't deserve a respected opinion because you don't have one to offer.

Yes you are sooo right that Mick Taylor doesn't sound good. The professionals should listen to you people who know what good sound is, and are the authorities on what great musicianship is. It's not our fault that you don't know what you're talking about, yet you guys constantly attack Mick Taylor. I am not going to back down because some ignoramouses with little brains can't find anything positive to say. Then again, there's the saying "Don't argue with stupid people because they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

So true in your cases.

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What does he mean by "Jesse Ed"? Jesse Ed Davis?

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vermontoffender
How is it that Taylorites assume that someone who doesn't particularly enjoy his playing is somehow less aware of aspects of musicianship like taste and feel and band dynamics, etc? The level of snobbery concerning Taylor worshipers is sad and hilarious.

I prefer Ronnie's tone. I much prefer the band dynamic with Ronnie. I definitely prefer Ronnie's taste as a guitarist to Taylor's, but that doesn't mean I think Taylor groupies are morons.

Putting your own tastes on some sort of self made pedestal is kind of pathetic.

Enjoy the shows!

God bless Ron Wood.

I said what I said because of all the idiotic comments here about people not liking Taylor because they hate "long solos". I didn't say it was you, so I don't know why you took it so personally. There was nothing snobby about what I posted, it was a direct response to what several people have said. I stand by my comments 100%. By the way, you know who also thinks the band did its best work with Taylor? Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, and Bill Wyman.

That is a bit of a stretch, LOL! Because they only said the band had its best era then - not that the era was best becuase of Taylor.

My guess is a little of both: Some of the best songs were written back then, as well as they had a good producer and a good lead guitar player.

Without those songs, though, Taylor has never proved his greatness to anyone.

Nice try, though

PS: Guys, which guitar player YOU prefer has nothing to do with brains, knowledge or skills - it´s taste. If some people prefer short, biting licks - sounding a bit sharper than the "soft" LP standard for this band - it´s ok, you know. There shouldn´t be any personal prestige in which line up you prefer - and you´ll never get a Taylorite to convert - or vice versa