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Beauforde
Thw whole thing nets out as a downer for me. The stones are energetic enough to do a real tour, but not ambitious enough to get in the studio for 1-2 months and try and come up with a new album. And still no truly bringing mick taylor back into the fold. Bullshit. Nostalgia entrepreneurship... The stones have been the finest stones cover band for 20+ years now. What a waste. They need a producer who shames ALL OF THEM them into getting to a bare studio -- set up mikes and a sound board, no over-dubs or any other embellishments, turn the shit on and just PLAY/RECORD. And see what happens. What they're doing now - derivative to the nth degree - is not even worthy of paying attention to from my perspective.
The problem is it makes little economic sense for groups like the Stones to spend their working hours in the studio if they can spend them on the road. Let's say they spend two months recording a new album. Let's say it sells 300,000 copies (which is probably about what we could expect these days). At $15 per sold copy that would generate about $4.5 million in sales. That's less than the Stones generate in ticket sales for a SINGLE 2 hour show (and that doesn't include merchandising). In fact the show at Stade de France last year generated over $9 million. I want the Stones to make a new album also. But with the state of music sales in the digital age, where many people expect music to be free, I would understand if they never stepped foot in the studio again.
Well, they don't exactly need to. They could rehearse a handful of new songs and cover versions, play them live in front of enthusiastic hardcore fans at a small series of club shows, record the stuff on location and spend not more than a week for small corrections, some minimal overdubs and mixing. Et voila - there's a new Stones album with new material, recorded live at club shows and a bonus track or two recorded at the rehearsals.
After the two or three "new album recording" club shows are done, they can go on tour with their usual greatest hits and, surprise, surprise, maybe even one or two new songs in the set.
Well, that's how I would do it if I was in their position and considering the general circumstances.
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Thw whole thing nets out as a downer for me. The stones are energetic enough to do a real tour, but not ambitious enough to get in the studio for 1-2 months and try and come up with a new album. And still no truly bringing mick taylor back into the fold. Bullshit. Nostalgia entrepreneurship... The stones have been the finest stones cover band for 20+ years now. What a waste. They need a producer who shames ALL OF THEM them into getting to a bare studio -- set up mikes and a sound board, no over-dubs or any other embellishments, turn the shit on and just PLAY/RECORD. And see what happens. What they're doing now - derivative to the nth degree - is not even worthy of paying attention to from my perspective.
The problem is it makes little economic sense for groups like the Stones to spend their working hours in the studio if they can spend them on the road. Let's say they spend two months recording a new album. Let's say it sells 300,000 copies (which is probably about what we could expect these days). At $15 per sold copy that would generate about $4.5 million in sales. That's less than the Stones generate in ticket sales for a SINGLE 2 hour show (and that doesn't include merchandising). In fact the show at Stade de France last year generated over $9 million. I want the Stones to make a new album also. But with the state of music sales in the digital age, where many people expect music to be free, I would understand if they never stepped foot in the studio again.
Well, they don't exactly need to. They could rehearse a handful of new songs and cover versions, play them live in front of enthusiastic hardcore fans at a small series of club shows, record the stuff on location and spend not more than a week for small corrections, some minimal overdubs and mixing. Et voila - there's a new Stones album with new material, recorded live at club shows and a bonus track or two recorded at the rehearsals.
After the two or three "new album recording" club shows are done, they can go on tour with their usual greatest hits and, surprise, surprise, maybe even one or two new songs in the set.
Well, that's how I would do it if I was in their position and considering the general circumstances.
That would work. Like Stripped I guess, which was great.
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donvis
There will never be a new album. Just the odd song here and there. They lack the will. The only hope is to really open the vaults. And that won't happen as long as they are alive. If a fan/historian had carte blanch, you would see cool stuff like the Elvis FTD label puts out.
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georgelicks
What's the point of a new album?
1- It wont sell more than 1 million worldwide, that's about $12-15 million in sales and half of that is for the band so they will get about $7-8 million, the gross of a single stadium show. Ridiculous.
2- Their back catalog is selling very well on this digital era, they have not less than 5 songs on Itunes rock chart right now and Hot Rocks is selling like a current album this year, about 70-80k in 5 months only (right now is around #80 on ITunes)
3- They play a 19 song setlist nowadays, 11-12 warhorses, 2-3 classic deep cuts and 1-2 rarities or covers, there's only room for 1 or 2 new songs each night. That's what happened during the ABB tour after the first US leg, the new stuff got replaced or the setlist got shortened. It happened again after the 2012 shows.
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georgelicks
What's the point of a new album?
1- It wont sell more than 1 million worldwide, that's about $12-15 million in sales and half of that is for the band so they will get about $7-8 million, the gross of a single stadium show. Ridiculous.
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Beauforde
they have settled into a unfathomly profitable and idolized lassitude.
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how dissapointing the pathetic setlists....i know they still sound great,but they have absolutly no desire to do anything creative,whether in the studio or on stage...sad,sad,sad.
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dmay
Whatta you mean, no new music? I just listened to the Stones doing some song called "Hang On Sloopy". Damn, what a beat. Got the audience singing along and movin' their feet. They should've jammed out on this flucker and segued right into "Summertime Blues" or, this would blow everyone's mind, "Come Together". And, if you can't dig the Stones channeling the Beatles, Bo Diddley's "Mona" would be a great segue after a jam on "Sloopy". And, right now, on satellite radio, they're playing Nancy Sinatra's "These Boots Are Made for Walking". What a helluva followup to "Sloopy" this would be.
I agree. What about "rock around the clock"? Or maybe "suspicious minds"?
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Midnight Toker
a new double album of studio tracks both material and gems from
the vault.
set list- same old stuff tour after tour. I don't think they get
as to what a true, long time fan really is and what we would love
to hear live. just my opinion.
I love them, but like a hot girlfriend, they can get boring over time.
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a new double album of studio tracks both material and gems from
the vault.
set list- same old stuff tour after tour. I don't think they get
as to what a true, long time fan really is and what we would love
to hear live. just my opinion.
I love them, but like a hot girlfriend, they can get boring over time.
I disagree. With the Stones, I'll pay through the nose to see them, and after a few weeks, I am always willing to pay the same high prices to see them again. With hot girlfriends, I'm generally only willing to pay once.
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Cristiano Radtke
Perhaps I'm being too grumpy here (and I'm not that kind of person at all), but I can't understand why there is the need to be complaining about the setlists at every concert, and most important - during the live comments. This is an endless discussion, and in the end we all know that will result in nothing positive. More than that: the Stones will not change their setlists only because some members here doesn't like it.
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Cristiano Radtke
Perhaps I'm being too grumpy here (and I'm not that kind of person at all), but I can't understand why there is the need to be complaining about the setlists at every concert, and most important - during the live comments. This is an endless discussion, and in the end we all know that will result in nothing positive. More than that: the Stones will not change their setlists only because some members here doesn't like it.
I completely agree.
I am just happy they are here
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Cristiano Radtke
Since this is the "other complaints thread" I think it's better to post here and leave the Orlando thread for the concert reports and photos from everybody who was there.
At every concert we have a lot of posters who give their best efforts trying to search pics, periscope feeds and other infos, and this is a hell of a job. It's a hard work but at the same time it's a fun job, mostly because it's the only way to follow a Stones concert when we're not there seeing them live.
When we have a concert going on, everytime a single user posts something like "this setlist is boring", other users can jump in and start a discussion about it, either agreeing or not with that, and leaving beside what's more important on that kind of thread - the live comments. What happens next everybody knows: an endless discussion which ends spoiling the live comments.
Perhaps I'm being too grumpy here (and I'm not that kind of person at all), but I can't understand why there is the need to be complaining about the setlists at every concert, and most important - during the live comments. This is an endless discussion, and in the end we all know that will result in nothing positive. More than that: the Stones will not change their setlists only because some members here doesn't like it.
Speaking only by myself, as being one of the posters who try to be more active on concert days, I feel this as being somehow disrespectful to the people who try to contribute with their infos and opinions, considering all the job everybody is trying to do to at least have a fun thread for everyone.
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Cristiano Radtke
Perhaps I'm being too grumpy here (and I'm not that kind of person at all), but I can't understand why there is the need to be complaining about the setlists at every concert, and most important - during the live comments. This is an endless discussion, and in the end we all know that will result in nothing positive. More than that: the Stones will not change their setlists only because some members here doesn't like it.
I completely agree.
I am just happy they are here
Cristiano, I love what you bring to the board, but there were two people who barely complained about the songs on that thread during the show and you truly are perpetuating the myth by continuing to post about it.
I respect your freedom to post as you please but do you really think the set list complainers dominated that discussion? I don't.
BTW: I do personally believe set list complaints are futile and redundant at this point. But I also think saying something like "I'd like to hear more SF songs" is pretty harmless and not really a complaint.
peace