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Just because Bonham banged the drums louder than Watts doesn't mean he was one bit better than him.

perhaps. but dying in your prime...now that's a great career move. let's see charlie top that.

The greatest of them all was Hendrix who I forget to mention..................





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I don't think it's wise to make a thread like this ? vs ?.........just ask your opinion about a band, I do understand the intention of the poster but you never can explain your friend who's better........it's just a matter of taste.

For me the Zep is just a great band although I don't own one LP of them, I only bought "Immigrant Song" as a single............

According Wiki they only had 4 top40 hits out here ...although I think "Stairway To Heaven" was also a big hit

1969"Good Times Bad Times" b/w
1969"Whole Lotta Love" b/w led Zeppelin II
1970"Immigrant Song" b/w
1971"Black Dog" b/w

Around this time '69-'73 I was completely obsessed by the Stones........so no room for any other band...except for Fleewood Mac...or from '73 and on Bowie and Roxy Music

thats because zeppelin was against releasing singles

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thats because zeppelin was against releasing singles

Is this the Led Zeppelin motto? I swear I haven't met one LZ fan who didn't mention this within the first minute of any debate related to the band.

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thats because zeppelin was against releasing singles

Is this the Led Zeppelin motto? I swear I haven't met one LZ fan who didn't mention this within the first minute of any debate related to the band.

its true. anything that charted after the 3rd or 4th album was due to airplay. the band had already stopped the label from releasing singles.

i prefer the stones to zeppelin, but it is hard if not impossible (or useless) to compare them

probly easier to compare to zeppelin to cream, for examaple, anyway

but the greater or greatest rock and roll band? how do you judge that?

it boils down to personal opinion

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i prefer the stones to zeppelin, but it is hard if not impossible (or useless) to compare them

probly easier to compare to zeppelin to cream, for examaple, anyway

but the greater or greatest rock and roll band? how do you judge that?

it boils down to personal opinion

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I don't think it's wise to make a thread like this ? vs ?.........just ask your opinion about a band, I do understand the intention of the poster but you never can explain your friend who's better........it's just a matter of taste.

For me the Zep is just a great band although I don't own one LP of them, I only bought "Immigrant Song" as a single............

According Wiki they only had 4 top40 hits out here ...although I think "Stairway To Heaven" was also a big hit

1969"Good Times Bad Times" b/w
1969"Whole Lotta Love" b/w led Zeppelin II
1970"Immigrant Song" b/w
1971"Black Dog" b/w

Around this time '69-'73 I was completely obsessed by the Stones........so no room for any other band...except for Fleewood Mac...or from '73 and on Bowie and Roxy Music

thats because zeppelin was against releasing singles

I'm glad the management decided otherwise..........otherwise I never heard of them...........because early70ties it's was still the TOP40 that rules

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thats because zeppelin was against releasing singles

Is this the Led Zeppelin motto? I swear I haven't met one LZ fan who didn't mention this within the first minute of any debate related to the band.

its true. anything that charted after the 3rd or 4th album was due to airplay. the band had already stopped the label from releasing singles.

It is not true, a complete myth. Singles released after the fourth album include:

"Over The Hills And Far Away"
"D'yer Maker"
"The Ocean" (Germany only, where it went to #8)
"Trampled Underfoot"
"Candy Store Rock'
"Fool In The Rain"

Chart placements, etc.:

[en.wikipedia.org]



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Zep and Stones represent 2/3 of my all-time favourite bands. The debate does evoke a lot of different thoughts...

Who is more about rock and roll - Stones

Who was more about intensity - Zeppelin

Which groups forays into different kinds of experimentation sounds more sincere - Zeppelin

Which group has a more engaging frontman - Stones

Which group has more of a 'cool factor' with teens/20-somthings - Zeppelin

Zeppelin broke up in 1980 after an irreplaceable member of their band died.
The Stones have been a broken unit since 1981 and haven't made a record worthy of rock recognition since (although they've tried, tainting their legacy with every failed attempt)

Which band is more about fun, not taking themselves too seriously - Stones

What I don't like about the Stones - they've become the McD's of rock.
What I don't like about Zeppelin - 20-plus minute versions of Dazed and Confused and/or Moby Dick (leave long jams for The Allmans and The Dead)

Stones' big 4 (Beggars, Bleed, Sticky, Exlie) vs Zeppelin's first 4 - Stones

Who will be forgotten first? - probably neither

Which one of them is the most influential band in music history - definitely neither

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Which one of them is the most influential band in music history - definitely neither

Discuss....................................

I say Beatles and Stones..................oops

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Stones easily. Plus the Beetles were not rock n roll. They were pop.

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Which one of them is the most influential band in music history - definitely neither

Discuss....................................

I say Beatles and Stones..................oops

Beatles bar none. Not even debateable to me.
They were never my personal favourite, but they were and in many ways still are in a league all in their own. Without The Beatles we wouldnt have either Zep or Stones.

(and it doesn't matter how they'll labeled by the way... pop, rock - Stones and Beatles had storng elements of both).

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"Without The Beatles we wouldnt have either Zep or Stones."

Nothing could be further from the truth. Yes The Beatles were the first to make a splash across the Atlantic but if it wasn't The Beatles other bands would made it eventually. Music was bound to become a more global thing as opposed to regional. In fact if it wasn't for The Beatles, The Stones may have been The Beatles- the first band that took the world by storm.

>Not even debateable to me.


And yet here you are debating it lol.

It's like that expression "it goes without saying".

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>Not even debateable to me.


And yet here you are debating it lol.

It's like that expression "it goes without saying".

Not debateable to me. Doesn't mean I won't debate it with others.

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Which group has more of a 'cool factor' with teens/20-somthings - Zeppelin

Good post althought I'm not too sure about this one though...thoughts??



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Which group has more of a 'cool factor' with teens/20-somthings - Zeppelin

Good post althought I'm not too sure about this one though...thoughts??

Teens also walk around with their pants down below their rearends. Are they really a good barometer for what is good?



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Oh I know, I know! Allow me: The teens love Zeppelin because they're badass and they're loud...they think the Stones are ridiculous because of the band dramas, high ticket prices, Keith's book and the clicktracks.

Led Zeppelin has more teenage enticing T-Shirts....


The Stones merely have the tongue and lips

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Which group has more of a 'cool factor' with teens/20-somthings - Zeppelin

Good post althought I'm not too sure about this one though...thoughts??

Teens also walk around with their pants down below their rearends. Are they really a good barometer for what is good?

Not at all. BUt they are the future.
And hey, we were all there at one time (unless the unlikely event of a pre-teen posting here).

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Which group has more of a 'cool factor' with teens/20-somthings - Zeppelin

Good post althought I'm not too sure about this one though...thoughts??

Teens also walk around with their pants down below their rearends. Are they really a good barometer for what is good?

Not at all. BUt they are the future.
And hey, we were all there at one time (unless the unlikely event of a pre-teen posting here).

Well I'm sure in the future as they mature they will learn to put on their pants the right way and also many of them will outgrow Zeppelin as I did.

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Zep and Stones represent 2/3 of my all-time favourite bands. The debate does evoke a lot of different thoughts...

Who is more about rock and roll - Stones

Who was more about intensity - Zeppelin

Which groups forays into different kinds of experimentation sounds more sincere - Zeppelin

Which group has a more engaging frontman - Stones

Which group has more of a 'cool factor' with teens/20-somthings - Zeppelin

Zeppelin broke up in 1980 after an irreplaceable member of their band died.
The Stones have been a broken unit since 1981 and haven't made a record worthy of rock recognition since (although they've tried, tainting their legacy with every failed attempt)

Which band is more about fun, not taking themselves too seriously - Stones

What I don't like about the Stones - they've become the McD's of rock.
What I don't like about Zeppelin - 20-plus minute versions of Dazed and Confused and/or Moby Dick (leave long jams for The Allmans and The Dead)

Stones' big 4 (Beggars, Bleed, Sticky, Exlie) vs Zeppelin's first 4 - Stones

Who will be forgotten first? - probably neither

Which one of them is the most influential band in music history - definitely neither

While I agree with maybe 2/3 of your points, it's an excellent analysis.

You know Frank, you've kind of made a point there too. Some people do indeed grow out of fandom. I grew out of my Neil Young obsession for sure for example.
A lot of people do grow out of The Stones too; particularily musicians.

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thats because zeppelin was against releasing singles

Is this the Led Zeppelin motto? I swear I haven't met one LZ fan who didn't mention this within the first minute of any debate related to the band.

its true. anything that charted after the 3rd or 4th album was due to airplay. the band had already stopped the label from releasing singles.

It is not true, a complete myth. Singles released after the fourth album include:

"Over The Hills And Far Away"
"D'yer Maker"
"The Ocean" (Germany only, where it went to #8)
"Trampled Underfoot"
"Candy Store Rock'
"Fool In The Rain"

Chart placements, etc.:

[en.wikipedia.org]

yes they had charted songs after that but weren't the singles only sent to radio? back then i thought sales and radio play determined chart position?

.... I grew out of me pants after reading Playboy



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thats because zeppelin was against releasing singles

Is this the Led Zeppelin motto? I swear I haven't met one LZ fan who didn't mention this within the first minute of any debate related to the band.

its true. anything that charted after the 3rd or 4th album was due to airplay. the band had already stopped the label from releasing singles.

It is not true, a complete myth. Singles released after the fourth album include:

"Over The Hills And Far Away"
"D'yer Maker"
"The Ocean" (Germany only, where it went to #8)
"Trampled Underfoot"
"Candy Store Rock'
"Fool In The Rain"

Chart placements, etc.:

[en.wikipedia.org]

yes they had charted songs after that but weren't the singles only sent to radio? back then i thought sales and radio play determined chart position?

Nope, these were all commercial singles released on their own label, Swan Song, so I presume they chose the releases. With the possible exceptions of "The Ocean" & "Candy Store Rock" they all had picture sleeves. "Fool In The Rain" is an edit of the album version btw.

Some picture sleeves for the curious:

[en.wikipedia.org]

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thanks for the info

This is probaly the last place to ask this but: would anyone care to take a stab why exactly LZ is considered a more "diverse" band over the Stones?

Besides the usual blues, folk and celtic genres they infused with full-throttle testosterone... what other tunes and genres are we really talking about here? Both LZ and the Stones dipped their toe in different genres throughout their career--both with questionable results ("D'yer M'yer" anyone?)--but to give the title to LZ as "more" diverse than the Stones is a stretch.

If we had to be conservative, it'd be more fair to say that both bands were equally diverse. And that's not really saying much.

you can't carry on a conversation trying to compare stones and zeppelin, or which is 'better,' or which you 'prefer' even

you either like one or the other, or both, or neither

apples vs oranges

some will argue that zeppelin, even for blues rock, was par the course, and not 'legendary'

and owe old black bluesmen a few of those royalty checks.

others will argue BS and lay into the stones

far as i'm concerned both were great at what they did and should be celebrated as 2 totally different sounding bands IMHO.

in the end, this issue was always about apples and oranges. but if someone comes along to say definitively that apples are inferior to oranges, period, that's unfair.

it should be about celebrating music from both camps, not knocking one or the other down or making comments just to boost a personal favorite.



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