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Wow, I can imagine! At least you'll never have to get another implant done.

Unless one or more of the implants fail which has been known to happen when the osteo-integration phase goes wrong. There are patients that had a success rate of only 25 percent, in other words 3 out of 4 implants didn't take.
As you noted yourself, you were lucky.

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Since I've just recently had an implant myself, I'll fill you in on the particulars. First, there was the extraction--$500 there....
After this, you wait at least 3 months for the implant to give your gum and bone that once encased the tooth time to heal. Another $2600 there....
For this step, an appointment is made with your regular dentist who takes a dental impression to be sent to the lab that makes the crown--another $3100 there....
Finally, another appointment is made and the dentist unscrews the cap and fits in the metal rods that will support the crown, which is at last cemented on, this restoring one's full bite....
Works and feels like a real tooth! Whew, he said, wiping his brow with the back of his hand.

That was an accurate description of the general procedure followed in dental implantology and you even managed to make it entertaining to read, which is no small achievement.
As a side note: having full dental implants fitted, rathing than getting one element replaced, is usually not quite as enjoyable.

Sounds like a real drag to me. The image of the smiling periodontist telling you he's going see you soon is enough to make me slightly ill. Talk about dental records..might as well put a personal id chip in there while they're at it....yikes.

What then is the deal with all these outfits offering 100% replacement of the teeth with full upper and lower implants IN ONE DAY? I have seen plenty of ads in national newspapers for such a quick turnaround. Is this just fancy marketing designed to pull people into a considerably more drawn out process? I can't imagine, but I wouldn't be surprised. peace

That's what I couldn't figure out about the Steven Tyler incident, when he had food poisoning and fell on his face and broke his front teeth--he was supposedly given implants all at once. It's a major bit of oral surgery, and I found this periodontist by referral through my regular dentist. Those ads in the papers sound too good to be true. The actual surgery--the fitting of the implants--can be done in a day, yes, even if you're replacing a full set, but first comes the extraction, then the healing period, then the implants, then more healing, then the fitting of the crowns. No way any professional periodontist would even think of attempting all that in one day--the risk of infection would be too great.

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"Secret affair" -the album- "should be forbidden by law". I forgot that one, and at the same time ask his attention on his FB page for your band. A bit contradictory, isn't it? At least I wouldn't have the guts in your case.

That would qualify as criticism, wouldn't it. You can't deny VT22 has a point there, DP.
Fortunately Taylor never released an album by that title, so it will not be necessary to immediately craft new legislation.

What is the name of Dandy's band ? After that bold statement, I would like to see how their music measures up.

I corrected that. It's "a Stone's throw". I never get it right the first time.
Besides, DP's post on MT's FB site vanished within an hour, or am I blind? Even I cannot manage that.

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As far as Mick Taylor being destitude at one time in the recect past we have lots of sources for that including the man himself. Junkies have a way of letting everything but the dope slide and he is very forthcoming about his time trying to get back on his feet.

It is very telling that you want to call Taylor a junkie despite the fact that he hasn't used any drugs for decades.
The article I was referring to was published in 2009 but you find it easier to believe the sensationalist claims made therein then to put things in perspective and understand that it was written for quick monetary gain by someone of questionable repute.
Taylor got back on his feet in the late 80s, that's a long time ago now.
You can not show me anything where Taylor describes himself as being destitute in recent years.

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I owe nothing to you or anyone else to speak my mind on this board and you don't see me getting nit picky about your sources of information. Unless you have a story to tell I could care less really, sounds to me like you are just as clueless about it all as the rest of us. I doubt Mick talks to many about who contacted him during his recovery. Recovery is a very personal thing. And unless you worked for the Daily Mail or know the author of the article what do you know of it's truth?

You can speak your mind all you want but you should be careful to make assumptions about others' personal lives, especially when it's pertaining to people you don't even know.
When I mentioned hospitalisation and "while he was recovering" I was talking about a period of convalescence after an illness. It seems you took it to mean something entirely different. Maybe you're stuck in a certain thought pattern.
And since when are only people that work for the Daily Mail deemed reliable ? Quite the opposite is true, actually.

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But, assuming what you say is true I don't hold any poor feeling toward Mick Jagger for not contacting him. Taylor made that bed through poor choices, its his gig. Furthermore you make it sound like Mick Jagger has some responsibility to make sure his friends and ex-bandmates are doing as well as he is, certainly NOT the case. I'm glad to hear they are still friends and there is a possibility of them playing together in the future, that's good enough for me. peace

Now you're really turning things upside down. Were you not the one that initially stated that Jagger had called Taylor, offered to help or something ? I think I'm entitled to correct this assertion, since I have more accurate information at my disposal. Just because I happen to know that Taylor didn't receive such a call, doesn't mean I'm accusing anyone of not doing his duty.
As for Taylor not receiving his fair share of royalties over the records he helped to create, you certainly can't hold Taylor responsible for the injustice done to him by others.

Don't confuse the issue with facts Sundance.lol Besides, as I said before I got the information about Jagger sending help on this board. So no, I did not INITIALLY state that piece of information. You are obviously taking this WAY more personally than I had intended. Go find the person who posted it and flog them if you must.

Additionally, you must understand that Taylor made agreements at the time those royalties were due, or perceived to be due; and unless you know what those agreement were, how can you imply that he was dealt injustices by others? Mick and the people he made those agreements with at the time, whether verbal or written are probably the only ones who know the truth of that situation. Taylor seems to have gotten over it, why haven't you? Yes that last sentence was a bit personal wasn't it? With due respect.

btw I have very seldom, if ever, read The Daily Mail so I don't claim to know much about them. I just assume that if a piece is reported about a public figure and not denied by that person it becomes fair game for informational gathering purposed only. I'm sure the employees of that organization would like to believe that they are reliable. Please excuse my ignorance if it is a rag similar to The National Inquirer, which as you may know is an entertainment gossip paper quite common with the gray haired set here in the USA. They seem subject to gross exaggeration,if not more. peace



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Wow, I can imagine! At least you'll never have to get another implant done.

Unless one or more of the implants fail which has been known to happen when the osteo-integration phase goes wrong. There are patients that had a success rate of only 25 percent, in other words 3 out of 4 implants didn't take.
As you noted yourself, you were lucky.

Also, one other point on the success rate of implants. I'm an occasional cigarette smoker, I only smoke on beer nights, but during one appointment, the periodontist smelled cigarette smoke on my clothes and warned me about it: "Smoking kills implants," he said.

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Wow, I can imagine! At least you'll never have to get another implant done.

Unless one or more of the implants fail which has been known to happen when the osteo-integration phase goes wrong. There are patients that had a success rate of only 25 percent, in other words 3 out of 4 implants didn't take.
As you noted yourself, you were lucky.

Also, one other point on the success rate of implants. I'm an occasional cigarette smoker, I only smoke on beer nights, but during one appointment, the periodontist smelled cigarette smoke on my clothes and warned me about it: "Smoking kills implants," he said.

What are you doing at the periodontists office on beer night? peace

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Sounds like a real drag to me. The image of the smiling periodontist telling you he's going see you soon is enough to make me slightly ill. Talk about dental records..might as well put a personal id chip in there while they're at it....yikes.

What then is the deal with all these outfits offering 100% replacement of the teeth with full upper and lower implants IN ONE DAY? I have seen plenty of ads in national newspapers for such a quick turnaround. Is this just fancy marketing designed to pull people into a considerably more drawn out process? I can't imagine, but I wouldn't be surprised. peace

You should really check out the James Brown article I included as a link before. At one point Brown expressed fears that dental implants could conceal transmitters planted by the government.

I do not think that dentists can keep word when they'd promise full dental implants in one day.
For one thing, it takes at least 3 months (and that's fast) for the jaw bone to grow back around the metal implant to the point where it's solid enough to proceed to the next stage. If you don't wait for this patiently then I can't see how the final result can be good.
Besides, the specialists I know would not recommend having surgery on upper and lower jaw done at the same time.

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btw I have very seldom, if ever, read The Daily Mail so I don't claim to know much about them. I just assume that if a piece is reported about a public figure and not denied by that person it becomes fair game for informational gathering purposed only. I'm sure the employees of that organization would like to believe that they are reliable. Please excuse my ignorance if it is a rag similar to The National Inquirer, which as you may know is an entertainment gossip paper quite common with the gray haired set here in the USA. They seem subject to gross exaggeration,if not more. peace

I really didn't expect to meet anyone on this board, that would want to insist that tabloid reporters are doing their best to give an honest account of the truth. That is not what their game is about. Their goal is to write completely over the top scandalous stories, in order to increase the number of papers sold. The British press is generally regarded as the most pestiferous and toxic in the world. Read some of last year's news about the Leveson inquiry. [www.telegraph.co.uk]
This is not a totally new phenomenon, and not just restricted to England, by the way. Did you hear about Princess Diana's 1997 fatal accident in Paris after she was chased by paparazzi or did that also happen beyond your range of vision ?

When you are in the public eye and you would file a lawsuit every time these reporters are skewing the facts (quite deliberately) then your resources would be eroded pretty quickly.

Sundance Kid. Are you telling us that Mick Taylor never had any personal problems with drugs and domestic economy? And that two separate journalists and newspapers simply made this up? Or what is your agenda here?

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This is not a totally new phenomenon, and not just restricted to England, by the way. Did you hear about Princess Diana's 1997 fatal accident in Paris after she was chased by paparazzi or did that also happen beyond your range of vision ?

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Princess who?

Ah, the Daily Mail are paparazzi, I'm glad I have never initially quoted them in that case. peace

Here's the bit about Jagger inquiring of Taylor's health -- supposedly a statement made by Taylor's "manager" - appearing in the Guardian, which appeared to be a response to the Mail article.


[www.guardian.co.uk]


Guitarist Mick Taylor still a fan of the Rolling Stones
Taylor's manager has denied reports that the musician was planning to sue his former bandmates for unpaid royalties, claiming he has a very good relationship with the Stones


Sean Michaels
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 16 September 2009 08.52 EDT

The manager for the Stones' former guitarist has denied reports Taylor is down on his luck and wants to sue his old band, insisting they have "a very good relationship".

According to manager Jeff Allen, Taylor felt "shock, horror and disbelief" reading a recent article in the Mail on Sunday. The piece depicted Taylor as full of regrets and vitriol, living in a "ramshackle cottage" in Suffolk. Despite playing on albums such as Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main St, Taylor had allegedly been denied royalties since 1982. "Hiring a lawyer is probably the only way they'll take me seriously," he was quoted as saying.

But that's simply not true, Allen told the NME yesterday. "He certainly didn't say that he was going to sue the Stones," Allen said. "He doesn't feel any need to sue ... Mick's got a very good relationship with the Stones."

"In fact, the last time we met up with them, him and Keith [Richards] were like long-lost lovers – hugging each other and happy to see each other. When Mick was ill either six or eight weeks ago with some kind of chest complaint, Mick Jagger had his office phone up to see what was going on, and then he phoned up the hospital just to check on Mick because they were worried about him. So there's absolutely no animosity between Mick and the Stones."

Not only are Taylor and his former bandmates best buddies, Taylor is living the life you would expect of the man who plays the guitar solo on Can't You Hear Me Knocking. "Mick is living in Holland at the moment with his girlfriend," Allen said. Rather than being "some kind of run-down, down-and-out tramp ... Mick's having the house done up."

The Mick Taylor Band will tour Germany and France in October.

Thank you sweet thing, you are sweet indeed! peace

I'm still looking forward to that new Mick Taylor solo album which that former Fleetwood Mac guitarist who died earlier this year was scheduled to record for but unfortunately was not around anymore to do it.

This might be the next CD released from one of the Stones. Does any one of you know more about this album so far?

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"Secret affair" -the album- "should be forbidden by law". I forgot that one, and at the same time ask his attention on his FB page for your band. A bit contradictory, isn't it? At least I wouldn't have the guts in your case.

That would qualify as criticism, wouldn't it. You can't deny VT22 has a point there, DP.
Fortunately Taylor never released an album by that title, so it will not be necessary to immediately craft new legislation.

What is the name of Dandy's band ? After that bold statement, I would like to see how their music measures up.

I corrected that. It's "a Stone's throw". I never get it right the first time.
Besides, DP's post on MT's FB site vanished within an hour, or am I blind? Even I cannot manage that.

I criticized the JJF version on that album, and I have not changed my mind. It is not a good version.

I have never posted anything on Taylor´s FB-site, that I´m, aware of. Might have been a fan, who´s also into the Stones/Taylor.



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1. "Secret affair" -the album- "should be forbidden by law". I forgot that one, and at the same time ask his attention on his FB page for your band. A bit contradictory, isn't it? At least I wouldn't have the guts in your case.

2. That would qualify as criticism, wouldn't it. You can't deny VT22 has a point there, DP.
Fortunately Taylor never released an album by that title, so it will not be necessary to immediately craft new legislation.

3. What is the name of Dandy's band ? After that bold statement, I would like to see how their music measures up.

1. I have never said that. I said that the JJF-version wasn´t any good, and I stand by that - I think even Taylor would agree.
2. Yes, becuase of the point above.
3. Why would you have the need for measuring up anything?

But since you´re asking, here is a live clip (which is nowhere near the quality of Mick Taylor, nor has it ever been the case here):

Yes, you said that, and I replied: "Only the pope would say that" + picture.
If it's not on iorr anymore, BV deleted it.

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Yes, you said that, and I replied: "Only the pope would say that" + picture.
If it's not on iorr anymore, BV deleted it.

There are other good songs on that album, though.

I take it as you like the JJF version? It´s kinda hard to get you here, with the Pope and all

If Bjørnulf deleted it, someone must have reported my post?



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1. "Secret affair" -the album- "should be forbidden by law". I forgot that one, and at the same time ask his attention on his FB page for your band. A bit contradictory, isn't it? At least I wouldn't have the guts in your case.

2. That would qualify as criticism, wouldn't it. You can't deny VT22 has a point there, DP.
Fortunately Taylor never released an album by that title, so it will not be necessary to immediately craft new legislation.

3. What is the name of Dandy's band ? After that bold statement, I would like to see how their music measures up.

1. I have never said that. I said that the JJF-version wasn´t any good, and I stand by that - I think even Taylor would agree.
2. Yes, becuase of the point above.
3. Why would you have the need for measuring up anything?

But since you´re asking, here is a live clip (which is nowhere near the quality of Mick Taylor, nor has it ever been the case here):

Are you number 86, Dandy?

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Yes, you said that, and I replied: "Only the pope would say that" + picture.
If it's not on iorr anymore, BV deleted it.

There are other good songs on that album, though.

I take it as you like the JJF version? It´s kinda hard to get you here, with the Pope and all

If Bjørnulf deleted it, someone must have reported my post?

I'am glad you changed your mind
I guess the pope did report it, not me.

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1. "Secret affair" -the album- "should be forbidden by law". I forgot that one, and at the same time ask his attention on his FB page for your band. A bit contradictory, isn't it? At least I wouldn't have the guts in your case.

2. That would qualify as criticism, wouldn't it. You can't deny VT22 has a point there, DP.
Fortunately Taylor never released an album by that title, so it will not be necessary to immediately craft new legislation.

3. What is the name of Dandy's band ? After that bold statement, I would like to see how their music measures up.

1. I have never said that. I said that the JJF-version wasn´t any good, and I stand by that - I think even Taylor would agree.
2. Yes, becuase of the point above.
3. Why would you have the need for measuring up anything?

But since you´re asking, here is a live clip (which is nowhere near the quality of Mick Taylor, nor has it ever been the case here):

Are you number 86, Dandy?

Yep, "as worn by Exile Mick Jagger"

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Yes, you said that, and I replied: "Only the pope would say that" + picture.
If it's not on iorr anymore, BV deleted it.

There are other good songs on that album, though.

I take it as you like the JJF version? It´s kinda hard to get you here, with the Pope and all

If Bjørnulf deleted it, someone must have reported my post?

I'am glad you changed your mind
I guess the pope did report it, not me.

I still think Taylor never should have released that version of JJF, but that´s me.

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(quoting DP) "Secret affair" -the album- "should be forbidden by law".

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I corrected that. It's "a Stone's throw". I never get it right the first time.
Besides, DP's post on MT's FB site vanished within an hour, or am I blind? Even I cannot manage that.

I criticized the JJF version on that album, and I have not changed my mind. It is not a good version.
I have never posted anything on Taylor´s FB-site, that I´m, aware of. Might have been a fan, who´s also into the Stones/Taylor.

This is getting weirder and weirder. First VT22 reminds DP of his own quote but gets the album title wrong. Then DP says he did in fact mean 'A Stone's Throw' but still maintains that that album contains a version of JJF that he doesn't like.

I take it that Dandy owns an ultra rare (unique) version of A Stone's Throw' because JJF is not on my copy of the album.

Most casual Taylor fans have a pretty good overview of the tracks included on each of MT's 3 solo albums, it's not like there's such a huge back catalogue that it's hard to tell them apart.



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SundanceKid: What's weird: I edited my initial post. The album is called "a Stone's throw"...

The JJF version is on MT's Album - A Stranger in This Town

[www.amazon.com]



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The JJF version is on MT's Album - A Stranger in This Town

[www.amazon.com]

play the guitar boy

Yes that's common knowledge among Taylor fans, right ? (It's called 'Stranger In This Town', by the way).

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SundanceKid: What's weird: I edited my initial post. The album is called "a Stone's throw"...

Editing a post is quite normal.
I know what the album is called, but I was just giving a chronological overview of what was said - as part of this thread - about the "forbidden album" and the JJF track that Dandy doesn't like.

Than you should include the fact that I corrected the "forbidden albums" title in your overview of what was said.

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(quoting DP) "Secret affair" -the album- "should be forbidden by law".

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I corrected that. It's "a Stone's throw". I never get it right the first time.
Besides, DP's post on MT's FB site vanished within an hour, or am I blind? Even I cannot manage that.

I criticized the JJF version on that album, and I have not changed my mind. It is not a good version.
I have never posted anything on Taylor´s FB-site, that I´m, aware of. Might have been a fan, who´s also into the Stones/Taylor.

This is getting weirder and weirder. First VT22 reminds DP of his own quote but gets the album title wrong. Then DP says he did in fact mean 'A Stone's Throw' but still maintains that that album contains a version of JJF that he doesn't like.

I take it that Dandy owns an ultra rare (unique) version of A Stone's Throw' because JJF is not on my copy of the album.

Most casual Taylor fans have a pretty good overview of the tracks included on each of MT's 3 solo albums, it's not like there's such a huge back catalogue that it's hard to tell them apart.

Look, let me explain one thing for you, that will make this very easy to comprehend: I have never ever mentioned A Stones Throw in this context.

A couple of months ago I criticized Taylor´s released version of JFF, which I didn´t like at all. VT22 remembered my post wrongly, and messed this thread up a bit

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The JJF version is on MT's Album - A Stranger in This Town

[www.amazon.com]



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Finally some sense. Thank you, Open G