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“I enjoyed the book but in some ways it’s like reading about a completely different person, a mythological Keith, Keith the actor. Other people who know him have said the same. When I knew Keith, he was a very quiet guy. He was shy, that’s why he got into heroin — which was probably true for me but much later.
“What surprised me was the competitiveness, all that competing for women. He’s a guy in his late sixties and he sounds like an 18-year-old talking about his 18-year-old buddy.”
wow.it really is a bit strange to see mick taylor say the exact same thing many of us have been saying.i still cannot figure out what in the hell happened to keith.its like he read so many of his own press clippings that he become the guy they were writing about and the real keith just disappeared.
The "real Keith" disappeared somewhere around 1968.
I will take the present day Keith any old day of the week. People evolve. Keith is far more entertaining today. Who cares about whether someone can play a friggen guitar. The world is full of guitarists. None of them come close to being as entertaining as Keith Richards, the pirate rock 'n' roll rebel!
Well, we know where you stand...But I wasn't at all talking about his playing abilities.
The person Keith Richards - the guy with big ears who used to grin awkwardly and endearingly during performances - was replaced by the character "Keith Richards" (or Richard). This character was the Riffmeister, the "most elegantly wasted man in the world", the prince of cool. This was done with the help of heroin, which allows one to be removed from almost all things, people and situations. It's the character we see in "Life", showing the blade, shooting at dealers, telling Mick Jagger he can't play guitar. Yes, it's quite an entertaining character, I'll admit. But sometimes I wonder where that other guy went.
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This Times interview is not that much different from the Daily Mail interview [www.dailymail.co.uk]
When I brought up the Daily Mail interview a few months ago and mentioned that one of the things that led Mick Taylor to leave the Stones were drug problems, I just got flamed by some Mick Taylor fan/dork who apparently knew everything about Mick Taylor and dismissed the Daily Mail as trash (which it might indeed be).
Now it's also in the Times, so now that Mick Taylor fan/dork has to dismiss 2 interviews basically saying the same thing.
It's all in the nuance. Taylor doesn't talk so much about his drug problems in The Times' article.
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"Taylor left in 1974, unhappy about 1) a lack of songwriting credits, 2) bored by the band’s inactivity as Richards sank deeper into heroin use, and 3) worried about his own drug habits.
Those are the reporter's words, though.
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Taylor's road manager told me about Taylor going back stage at a London show. This event would have been more than 10 years ago. He said Jagger was "cool" (like in cold) to Taylor. I wonder why Jagger was still carrying a grudge.
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<It is probably the tenth time I've read a Taylor-interview where he is praising Mick. What do you mean "speak so little of eachother"?>
Jagger rarely mentions Taylor or what it was like working with him; or working with him on the Exile project. In that RS interview he is asked why Taylor left and Jagger cuts off the line of questioning with an abrupt answer. Sure Taylor talks about the band all the time. How can he not? But I was talking about the dynamics between Taylor and Jagger (and Taylor and Keith for that matter)(or Taylor, Jagger and Keith) and I still think the subject is rather vague after all these years. You read this and that, but I am not satisfied on the issue. I think Taylor and Jagger were close, but you do not actually hear that directly said.
Taylor's road manager told me about Taylor going back stage at a London show. This event would have been more than 10 years ago. He said Jagger was "cool" (like in cold) to Taylor. I wonder why Jagger was still carrying a grudge.
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<It is probably the tenth time I've read a Taylor-interview where he is praising Mick. What do you mean "speak so little of eachother"?>
Jagger rarely mentions Taylor or what it was like working with him; or working with him on the Exile project. In that RS interview he is asked why Taylor left and Jagger cuts off the line of questioning with an abrupt answer. Sure Taylor talks about the band all the time. How can he not? But I was talking about the dynamics between Taylor and Jagger (and Taylor and Keith for that matter)(or Taylor, Jagger and Keith) and I still think the subject is rather vague after all these years. You read this and that, but I am not satisfied on the issue. I think Taylor and Jagger were close, but you do not actually hear that directly said.
Taylor's road manager told me about Taylor going back stage at a London show. This event would have been more than 10 years ago. He said Jagger was "cool" (like in cold) to Taylor. I wonder why Jagger was still carrying a grudge.
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On the article, it sounds a bit to me like he is kissing up to Jagger a bit more than what might be genuine. Obvious potential payouts for that kind of behaviour. Perhaps Keith isn't the only actor here. When did MT start having this dripping love affair with MJ? Why haven't we heard anything about it for 36 years. peace
I had the same reaction. It sounds to me like Taylor maybe feels flattered by the attention from Mick and wants it to continue. As to his comment, “What surprised me was the competitiveness, all that competing for women. He’s a guy in his late sixties and he sounds like an 18-year-old talking about his 18-year-old buddy", well it is a memoir and he wrote about it happening in the past when he was young, not as if it were going on now.
Overall a nice article though, thanks for posting it proudmary.
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Taylor's road manager told me about Taylor going back stage at a London show. This event would have been more than 10 years ago. He said Jagger was "cool" (like in cold) to Taylor. I wonder why Jagger was still carrying a grudge.
Just one of many Micks you might catch on any given day. As I understand he becomes somewhat unapproachable during most of his shows. I wouldn't take his coolness to mean much,certainly not a grudge, it has been reported by many, including his significant others. Contrast that with the Jagger that sent his man to find out about Mick's health this past year and offered to help. I've no doubt it was Sir Mick's money that paid for a mouthful of new teeth for MT at a cost of over $10,000.
If anything the Mick Taylor story speaks volumes on the disaster that is herion addiction and the poor state of the music industry that allows only a few with good timing and luck to make any serious money. Taylor shouldn't be complaining much, he is certainly able to book good gigs at more than reasonable fees these days, doing what he loves to do and getting paid. peace
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On the article, it sounds a bit to me like he is kissing up to Jagger a bit more than what might be genuine. Obvious potential payouts for that kind of behaviour. Perhaps Keith isn't the only actor here. When did MT start having this dripping love affair with MJ? Why haven't we heard anything about it for 36 years. peace
I had the same reaction. It sounds to me like Taylor maybe feels flattered by the attention from Mick and wants it to continue. As to his comment, “What surprised me was the competitiveness, all that competing for women. He’s a guy in his late sixties and he sounds like an 18-year-old talking about his 18-year-old buddy", well it is a memoir and he wrote about it happening in the past when he was young, not as if it were going on now.
Overall a nice article though, thanks for posting it proudmary.
Well, here's my problem with that line of reasoning. As much as I have turned into a "Richards basher" in recent years, the truth is I'd love to be able to give Keith "a pass" and defend him occasionally, but once again I can't do it.
This is not a case of Taylor being obtuse in his reading of Richards' book when declaring there is an adolescent quality to it. Case in point, Richards states that it really didn't matter (too much) who screwed who's girlfriend back in those days, but then barely catching a breath, Keef adds that he has "paid back" Jagger "in spades". Now why would that have been necessary back then (when supposedly it didn't matter?), or is that Richards is NOW paying Jagger back with that book of his??
Look, we all know Richards is obviously no fool. But he seems to me like a self absorbed idiot in his later years. So much so, I am really torn in my feelings towards the Stones performing again. I'd love another CD of new material, but on stage it will be hard to watch if Richards once again spends the whole showing posing instead of playing. If that's the case, then the only thing that would save it for me, is the inclusion of Wyman and Taylor.
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WENNER: Why did Mick Taylor leave?
JAGGER: I still don’t really know.
WENNER: He never explained?
JAGGER: Not really. He wanted to have a solo career. I think he found it difficult to get on with Keith.
WENNER: On musical issues?
JAGGER: Everything. I’m guessing.
I've seen this quote before and it strikes me as bull, it wasn't just Keith. Jagger had to know that one of the reasons Mick Taylor left was he was upset about songwriting credits, which is something Mick Jagger could have done something about if he really want to try to get him to stay in the band.
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WENNER: Why did Mick Taylor leave?
JAGGER: I still don’t really know.
WENNER: He never explained?
JAGGER: Not really. He wanted to have a solo career. I think he found it difficult to get on with Keith.
WENNER: On musical issues?
JAGGER: Everything. I’m guessing.
I've seen this quote before and it strikes me as bull, it wasn't just Keith. Jagger had to know that one of the reasons Mick Taylor left was he was upset about songwriting credits, which is something Mick Jagger could have done something about if he really want to try to get him to stay in the band.
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I wonder what role Ron Wood has played in the whole story.
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<It is probably the tenth time I've read a Taylor-interview where he is praising Mick. What do you mean "speak so little of eachother"?>
Jagger rarely mentions Taylor or what it was like working with him; or working with him on the Exile project. In that RS interview he is asked why Taylor left and Jagger cuts off the line of questioning with an abrupt answer. Sure Taylor talks about the band all the time. How can he not? But I was talking about the dynamics between Taylor and Jagger (and Taylor and Keith for that matter)(or Taylor, Jagger and Keith) and I still think the subject is rather vague after all these years. You read this and that, but I am not satisfied on the issue. I think Taylor and Jagger were close, but you do not actually hear that directly said.
Taylor's road manager told me about Taylor going back stage at a London show. This event would have been more than 10 years ago. He said Jagger was "cool" (like in cold) to Taylor. I wonder why Jagger was still carrying a grudge.
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<It is probably the tenth time I've read a Taylor-interview where he is praising Mick. What do you mean "speak so little of eachother"?>
Jagger rarely mentions Taylor or what it was like working with him; or working with him on the Exile project. In that RS interview he is asked why Taylor left and Jagger cuts off the line of questioning with an abrupt answer. Sure Taylor talks about the band all the time. How can he not? But I was talking about the dynamics between Taylor and Jagger (and Taylor and Keith for that matter)(or Taylor, Jagger and Keith) and I still think the subject is rather vague after all these years. You read this and that, but I am not satisfied on the issue. I think Taylor and Jagger were close, but you do not actually hear that directly said.
Taylor's road manager told me about Taylor going back stage at a London show. This event would have been more than 10 years ago. He said Jagger was "cool" (like in cold) to Taylor. I wonder why Jagger was still carrying a grudge.
It was probably at the Astoria in 2003. Taylor was supposed to join in on Rock Me Baby, but Mick cancelled it the last minute because of throat problems or something. So they skipped the song and Taylor´s guest spot as well..
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There was no tour in 00 or 01. That doesn't sound plausible at all.
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This Times interview is not that much different from the Daily Mail interview [www.dailymail.co.uk]
When I brought up the Daily Mail interview a few months ago and mentioned that one of the things that led Mick Taylor to leave the Stones were drug problems, I just got flamed by some Mick Taylor fan/dork who apparently knew everything about Mick Taylor and dismissed the Daily Mail as trash (which it might indeed be).
Now it's also in the Times, so now that Mick Taylor fan/dork has to dismiss 2 interviews basically saying the same thing.
It's all in the nuance. Taylor doesn't talk so much about his drug problems in The Times' article.
Quote from The Times:
"Taylor left in 1974, unhappy about 1) a lack of songwriting credits, 2) bored by the band’s inactivity as Richards sank deeper into heroin use, and 3) worried about his own drug habits.
Those are the reporter's words, though.
Technically true, Dandy. But the following sentence "Regrets? None, he insists." suggests that Taylor has said that too.
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man he sure looks sad in that pic.
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WENNER: Why did Mick Taylor leave?
JAGGER: I still don’t really know.
WENNER: He never explained?
JAGGER: Not really. He wanted to have a solo career. I think he found it difficult to get on with Keith.
WENNER: On musical issues?
JAGGER: Everything. I’m guessing.
I've seen this quote before and it strikes me as bull, it wasn't just Keith. Jagger had to know that one of the reasons Mick Taylor left was he was upset about songwriting credits, which is something Mick Jagger could have done something about if he really want to try to get him to stay in the band.
Well if you read between the lines "solo career"="songwriting credits" so maybe he was alluding to it.
Hey Tele, if Mick was so pissed he didn't get songwriting credits for Moonlight Mile and Sway why didn't he make a bigger fuss in 1971 when that record was released? Probably too rolling stoned to realize the significance of the whole deal and at some point said "OK, I can live with giving those two away, now where is the gold AMEX card, I need to buy something". So in reality his decisions about that were likely made shortly after the record was released. Because of that I have to say....spilled milk. peace
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Royalties or not, Mick Taylor has dealt his hand rather poorly since he left the Stones. If you are a world known guitarist and you can't afford the dentist or paying your gas bill or even a car wash - something must have gone wrong somewhere down the line.
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WENNER: Why did Mick Taylor leave?
JAGGER: I still don’t really know.
WENNER: He never explained?
JAGGER: Not really. He wanted to have a solo career. I think he found it difficult to get on with Keith.
WENNER: On musical issues?
JAGGER: Everything. I’m guessing.
I've seen this quote before and it strikes me as bull, it wasn't just Keith. Jagger had to know that one of the reasons Mick Taylor left was he was upset about songwriting credits, which is something Mick Jagger could have done something about if he really want to try to get him to stay in the band.
Well if you read between the lines "solo career"="songwriting credits" so maybe he was alluding to it.
Hey Tele, if Mick was so pissed he didn't get songwriting credits for Moonlight Mile and Sway why didn't he make a bigger fuss in 1971 when that record was released? Probably too rolling stoned to realize the significance of the whole deal and at some point said "OK, I can live with giving those two away, now where is the gold AMEX card, I need to buy something". So in reality his decisions about that were likely made shortly after the record was released. Because of that I have to say....spilled milk. peace
I don't know - you should ask him. He's probably been wondering about that himself for the past 35 years. According to what I've heard those were not the songs in question, he was promised credits for songs on IORR and felt betrayed when he didn't get them.
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Royalties or not, Mick Taylor has dealt his hand rather poorly since he left the Stones. If you are a world known guitarist and you can't afford the dentist or paying your gas bill or even a car wash - something must have gone wrong somewhere down the line.
...and something did.
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According to what I've heard those were not the songs in question, he was promised credits for songs on IORR and felt betrayed when he didn't get them.
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Royalties or not, Mick Taylor has dealt his hand rather poorly since he left the Stones. If you are a world known guitarist and you can't afford the dentist or paying your gas bill or even a car wash - something must have gone wrong somewhere down the line.
...and something did.
I know that 71Tele. He left the band some 38 years ago. What I mean is, song credits and royalties apart, he could have done better for himself. He wasn't a nobody, he had a reputation as one of the worlds best rock guitarists.