Tell Me :
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No politics here. We also can't check your story. As for MJ paying for MT's dentist's costs you were wrong, so please not other 'stories'. Thank you. peace
I'm not sure whose dental health you're discussing here. It can't possibly be Taylor because he didn't have serious problems with his original teeth until the late 90s. So you must be talking about his old bandmate then.
KR has had dental implants for a long time and had them redone before he went on the road to promote his book.
As far as I know, I have never criticized Mick Taylor in any way
On the contrary, he is one of my favorite guitar players, something you of all people should know very well.
I put the eyeroll-emoticon in my reply to sundancekid (in this thread), since he was speculating in Taylor's dental care costs/Jagger's role in it/royalty claims - something either he or we know nothing about.
Was that what you had in mind?
About asking Taylor's attention, I really don't know what you are talking about. Our band, as well as I personally, like him on Facebook...
EDIT: Yep, I have criticized Taylor - for his rendition of JJF - my bad. However, that really IS a bad version, imo.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-29 17:21 by DandelionPowderman.
Sorry Kleermaker, nothing ploitical about my story, just the honest truth from someone who is VERY close to the action. Take is as you want or ignore it but please don't imply I am not telling the truth because you can't check up on my "story".
I heard about MJ inquiring about MT's health in the press and here on this board, so In context is was an honest mistake. I'm still not intirely sure it isn't true, sound like something Jagger is quite capable of doing and considering MT couldn't even pay his utility bills a few years back, $20,000 worth of dental work seems like something he may have needed a bit of help to get going.
I have done some research since I initially posted by the way and complete upper and lower dental implants here in the USA as of today costs about $40,000. $20K for the uppers and $20K for the lowers, each attached to the jaw/skull bones with 4 titanium posts, resulting in a pair of chompers as good or better than the originals. This according to an increasingly popular outfit called Clear Choice. They claim to be able to do the proceduce in one day although I don't doubt the preperatory work required for them to perform the surgery is likely a process of some weeks.
Seems a bit easier and certainly cheaper to keep up with the brushing and get the cavaties filled as soon as they appear. The methamphetamine curse that has ravaged this country certainly isn't helping. peace
If you were in a position to verify your "facts", you wouldn't have come out with those statements. So this in itself demonstrates that you can not be very "close to the action" at all.
In case you were referring to second hand info then you should note, for future reference, that whoever passed it on to you is not a reliable source either. What does the truth have to do with anything you said ?
Here are some cold facts: Taylor didn't hear from MJ during his hospitalisation or while he was recovering. No "get well soon" cards and no telephone calls. MJ has connections that have Taylor's contact details so it would have been possible for him to call or write - if he had wanted to.
Inadvertently you are repeating the same error by basing another claim (regarding the utitily bills) on something that was once printed in a tabloid.
The person that sold the Daily Mail that story obviously needed to make the article as sensational as possible (otherwise it would not have got printed). That is why it was made to sound like Taylor was destitute. In reality the author is the one that was desperate to make some quick cash and did this at the expense of someone that once went to the same school as him.
I'm suprised you could not have worked this out yourself.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-29 19:46 by SundanceKid.
I didn't tell anything significant, nor will I. Just to set that straight.
Namaste.
Again you misunderstand me. The action I am close to involves the health care for the farm workers on MY farm. I think I know a thing or two about it.
As far as Mick Taylor being destitude at one time in the recect past we have lots of sources for that including the man himself. Junkies have a way of letting everything but the dope slide and he is very forthcoming about his time trying to get back on his feet.
I am thrilled to see Mick out perfroming, selling his CD's and contributing to the world of music again, I am a big fan. So don't get your knickers in a tight bundle over this.
I owe nothing to you or anyone else to speak my mind on this board and you don't see me getting nit picky about your sources of information. Unless you have a story to tell I could care less really, sounds to me like you are just as clueless about it all as the rest of us. I doubt Mick talks to many about who contacted him during his recovery. Recovery is a very personal thing. And unless you worked for the Daily Mail or know the author of the article what do you know of it's truth?
But, assuming what you say is true I don't hold any poor feeling toward Mick Jagger for not contacting him. Taylor made that bed through poor choices, its his gig. Furthermore you make it sound like Mick Jagger has some responsibility to make sure his friends and ex-bandmates are doing as well as he is, certainly NOT the case. I'm glad to hear they are still friends and there is a possibility of them playing together in the future, that's good enough for me. peace
There have been many developments and innovations in dental implant technology since the technique was first pioneered about 25 years ago. Due to continued advancements, it is now commercially available at a fraction of the costs compared to decades ago - when only a handful of specialists could perform these procedures. As a result prices for implant surgery have steadily gone down.
If you read this interesting article on The Godfather of Soul (The Independent, July 2006), you'll see he was also having elaborate and expensive dental work done. Like Mr Brown said: "A man got hair and teeth, he's got it all".
Unfortunately, JB didn't get the chance to have the implant surgery of the upper jaw completed. When he came in for his appointment on 23 December 2006, his dentist advised him to see a doctor right away because he was looking so ill. He passed away 2 days later.
[www.independent.co.uk]
Even if you brush 2-3 times a day, make regular visits to the dentist and never develop a drug addiction there is no guarantee that you'll be able to keep your original teeth your whole life.
I was addressing some of the "points" raised by Naturalust. I didn't take umbrage at anything you said.
Namasté.
In your post you stated that you had been speaking the honest truth and in the same post made reference to what you believe to be true about MJ contacting MT while the latter was ill. You also repeated your personal interpretation that MJ picked up MT's dental bill.
If the first claim was based on personal experience, the second thing was something you heard through the grapevine (read in the tabloids), and the third was something you just made up yourself then that was not reflected in what you wrote. You could have pointed out the difference, for the convenience of the reader.
Thought as much.
Namaste.
It is very telling that you want to call Taylor a junkie despite the fact that he hasn't used any drugs for decades.
The article I was referring to was published in 2009 but you find it easier to believe the sensationalist claims made therein then to put things in perspective and understand that it was written for quick monetary gain by someone of questionable repute.
Taylor got back on his feet in the late 80s, that's a long time ago now.
You can not show me anything where Taylor describes himself as being destitute in recent years.
You can speak your mind all you want but you should be careful to make assumptions about others' personal lives, especially when it's pertaining to people you don't even know.
When I mentioned hospitalisation and "while he was recovering" I was talking about a period of convalescence after an illness. It seems you took it to mean something entirely different. Maybe you're stuck in a certain thought pattern.
And since when are only people that work for the Daily Mail deemed reliable ? Quite the opposite is true, actually.
Now you're really turning things upside down. Were you not the one that initially stated that Jagger had called Taylor, offered to help or something ? I think I'm entitled to correct this assertion, since I have more accurate information at my disposal. Just because I happen to know that Taylor didn't receive such a call, doesn't mean I'm accusing anyone of not doing his duty.
As for Taylor not receiving his fair share of royalties over the records he helped to create, you certainly can't hold Taylor responsible for the injustice done to him by others.
Since I've just recently had an implant myself, I'll fill you in on the particulars. First, there was the extraction--$500 there. These days, they don't so much pull a tooth as break it up piece by piece with a drill. It's relatively little fuss and only takes about 20 minutes. Then, you have a round of antibiotics and have your sutures removed after 2 weeks. During this time, you can't brush on the side you had the oral surgery, so you are prescribed a special antibiotic mouthwash to rinse with twice a day, called Peridex--one of the drawbacks is that it stains and blackens your teeth with tartar.
After this, you wait at least 3 months for the implant to give your gum and bone that once encased the tooth time to heal. Another $2600 there. It's a funny sensation when they drill into the gum to create the hole for the implant--your whole head vibrates and for a few minutes you feel like an outboard motor, just revving up as you cruise out into the lake. The implant itself is just a screw they insert below gum level and an X-ray shows that it doesn't extend as far down as do the roots of your natural teeth. Then a cap is screwed onto the implant, which will house the metal supports for the eventual crown. The round, metallic cap is visible above the gumline. Usually the implant and cap is a two-part surgical procedure done three months apart--but in my case I was lucky, because the bone casing healed so perfectly well that they were able to do the implant and cap all in one go. Then, another round of antibiotics and another prescription of teeth-blackening mouth rinse and it's back to have the sutures removed.
Another 3 months are required to allow the gums to heal and for the implant to fuse with the bone casing. After this time an X-ray is done, confirming that the patient is good to go for the last stage of the procedure--the fitting and cementing of the crown. For this step, an appointment is made with your regular dentist who takes a dental impression to be sent to the lab that makes the crown--another $3100 there.
Finally, another appointment is made and the dentist unscrews the cap and fits in the metal rods that will support the crown, which is at last cemented on, this restoring one's full bite--a necessary thing, too, because the right lower molar second from the back that I lost takes 80% of one's chewing and grinding stress, which is why it is said that extraction can lead to further extraction.
The periodontist who did my implant is a funny guy--the last thing he said to me as I was leaving his office was "Hey, so long, see you again real soon!" He's a nice guy and all, but I do hope not! I'll sure never miss another cleaning appointment again! I just had the crown cemented on 2 days ago. Works and feels like a real tooth! Whew, he said, wiping his brow with the back of his hand.
That was an accurate description of the general procedure followed in dental implantology and you even managed to make it entertaining to read, which is no small achievement.
As a side note: having full dental implants fitted, rathing than getting one element replaced, is usually not quite as enjoyable.
Wow, I can imagine! At least you'll never have to get another implant done.
"Secret affair"/" a stone's throw " -the album- "should be forbidden by law". I forgot that one, and at the same time ask his attention on his FB page for your band.. A bit contradictory, isn't it? At least I wouldn't have the guts in your case.
Well, to me he hasn´t proven that he is a great song writer, but I won´t go into that again
However, it is true that I tend to like guitar players who participate in writing the songs they play on the most.
But I don´t know why you bring this up now? You know that I love Taylor´s playing, and also that I am deeply influenced by his style.
That would qualify as criticism, wouldn't it. You can't deny VT22 has a point there, DP.
Fortunately Taylor never released an album by that title, so it will not be necessary to immediately craft new legislation.
What is the name of Dandy's band ? After that bold statement, I would like to see how their music measures up.
Sounds like a real drag to me. The image of the smiling periodontist telling you he's going see you soon is enough to make me slightly ill. Talk about dental records..might as well put a personal id chip in there while they're at it....yikes.
What then is the deal with all these outfits offering 100% replacement of the teeth with full upper and lower implants IN ONE DAY? I have seen plenty of ads in national newspapers for such a quick turnaround. Is this just fancy marketing designed to pull people into a considerably more drawn out process? I can't imagine, but I wouldn't be surprised. peace
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Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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Date: June 29, 2012 16:09
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Naturalust
Well health care is free to illegal immagrants in the USA too. If fact the Mexican illegals in the farming communities where I live and work have the system so dialed they get better health care than the average American.
In our labor camp (we house some 20+ men) regular visits are made by local dentists who set up chairs in the bunkhouse and treat all of them , for free. My girlfreind actually asked if they could fill one her cavities and they said no because she wasnt a migrant worker.
Not only that they have counselors who come in and educate them about every free service availble and then some. It is rediculous when you consider the state of health care in America. I am happy to have a healthy work force on the farm but if the average American paying good money for poor insurance knew about the state of things there would likely be a revolution. peace
No politics here. We also can't check your story. As for MJ paying for MT's dentist's costs you were wrong, so please not other 'stories'. Thank you. peace
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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SundanceKid
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Date: June 29, 2012 16:10
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Naturalust
I am having a bit of a hard time listening to people complain aboout other peoples teeth. If he can eat and smile and sing who gives a flying fock whether they are implants, dentures or some combination of the two? Seems like a pretty personal thing to be getting such a discussion here on a fan site. I doubt anybody would have the balls to ask him or comment on them to his person.
I have heard bad teeth can cause lots of other health problems so we should just be grateful he has done any sort of fix at all. His teeth rotted out behind his massive drug consumption back in the 70's anyway, this is all rather old news. peace
I'm not sure whose dental health you're discussing here. It can't possibly be Taylor because he didn't have serious problems with his original teeth until the late 90s. So you must be talking about his old bandmate then.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
SundanceKid
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Date: June 29, 2012 16:15
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duke richardson
he has all new teeth and they look perfect. he had a teeth transplant.
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His Majesty
Those horrid things are dentures, not implants or anything like that.
KR has had dental implants for a long time and had them redone before he went on the road to promote his book.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: June 29, 2012 16:22
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Naturalust
Just one of many Micks you might catch on any given day. As I understand he becomes somewhat unapproachable during most of his shows. I wouldn't take his coolness to mean much,certainly not a grudge, it has been reported by many, including his significant others. Contrast that with the Jagger that sent his man to find out about Mick's health this past year and offered to help. I've no doubt it was Sir Mick's money that paid for a mouthful of new teeth for MT at a cost of over $10,000.
Contrary to press reports, MJ didn't send his man to find out about MT's health. Nor did he offer to help
Implants in UK are very expensive, and $ 10.000,- would have been an absolute steal. For your information, MT started dental restoration work about 12 years ago and I have yet to meet an English dentist that sends invoices in dollars. The exchange rate at the time was almost 2 dollars to the pound.
No, MJ didn't contribute to that at all. In fact the Stones went to great lengths trying to find more ways to collect royalties that should have been paid to MT. As if it isn't bad enough they haven't paid his 20% share since 1982.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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DandelionPowderman
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Date: June 29, 2012 17:01
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Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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Marianella
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Date: June 29, 2012 17:08
"Just one of many Micks you might catch on any given day. As I understand he becomes somewhat unapproachable during most of his shows. I wouldn't take his coolness to mean much,certainly not a grudge, it has been reported by many, including his significant others" Naturalust
I guess thats what makes him the "BEST Frontman"
I guess thats what makes him the "BEST Frontman"
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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VT22
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Date: June 29, 2012 17:10
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Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
duke richardson
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Date: June 29, 2012 17:14
Such a great player who got in with a band he says he never intended to be in for a long time. All the speculation, and obvious resentment, doesn't change the recordings. I still love to listen to Taylor's playing.
in most recent pics I've seen of him and not just the one in this thread, he seems joyless, hope he's not but it seems so. I sure hope he comes out better financially in the near future. just my thoughts.
I really thought he seemed strong, playing with the Roots recently.
in most recent pics I've seen of him and not just the one in this thread, he seems joyless, hope he's not but it seems so. I sure hope he comes out better financially in the near future. just my thoughts.
I really thought he seemed strong, playing with the Roots recently.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
runrudolph
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Date: June 29, 2012 17:17
great player, friendly, no ego.
Love him
Rock on Mick taylor.
jeroen
Love him
Rock on Mick taylor.
jeroen
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: June 29, 2012 17:18
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VT22
My bad, but isn't a bit odd to criticize Mick if you can and at the same time ask his attention, even on his FB site?
As far as I know, I have never criticized Mick Taylor in any way
On the contrary, he is one of my favorite guitar players, something you of all people should know very well.
I put the eyeroll-emoticon in my reply to sundancekid (in this thread), since he was speculating in Taylor's dental care costs/Jagger's role in it/royalty claims - something either he or we know nothing about.
Was that what you had in mind?
About asking Taylor's attention, I really don't know what you are talking about. Our band, as well as I personally, like him on Facebook...
EDIT: Yep, I have criticized Taylor - for his rendition of JJF - my bad. However, that really IS a bad version, imo.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-29 17:21 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
VT22
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Date: June 29, 2012 18:25
Imo you've got some sort of songwriting syndrome. At least that's the undertone when it comes to many discussions about MT (and his songwriting). I think you're not aware of that. Sigh.. just forget it, some things will never change.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
Naturalust
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Date: June 29, 2012 18:29
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corriecas
great player, friendly, no ego.
Love him
Rock on Mick taylor.
jeroen
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
Naturalust
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Date: June 29, 2012 18:50
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kleermakerQuote
Naturalust
Well health care is free to illegal immagrants in the USA too. If fact the Mexican illegals in the farming communities where I live and work have the system so dialed they get better health care than the average American.
In our labor camp (we house some 20+ men) regular visits are made by local dentists who set up chairs in the bunkhouse and treat all of them , for free. My girlfreind actually asked if they could fill one her cavities and they said no because she wasnt a migrant worker.
Not only that they have counselors who come in and educate them about every free service availble and then some. It is rediculous when you consider the state of health care in America. I am happy to have a healthy work force on the farm but if the average American paying good money for poor insurance knew about the state of things there would likely be a revolution. peace
No politics here. We also can't check your story. As for MJ paying for MT's dentist's costs you were wrong, so please not other 'stories'. Thank you. peace
Sorry Kleermaker, nothing ploitical about my story, just the honest truth from someone who is VERY close to the action. Take is as you want or ignore it but please don't imply I am not telling the truth because you can't check up on my "story".
I heard about MJ inquiring about MT's health in the press and here on this board, so In context is was an honest mistake. I'm still not intirely sure it isn't true, sound like something Jagger is quite capable of doing and considering MT couldn't even pay his utility bills a few years back, $20,000 worth of dental work seems like something he may have needed a bit of help to get going.
I have done some research since I initially posted by the way and complete upper and lower dental implants here in the USA as of today costs about $40,000. $20K for the uppers and $20K for the lowers, each attached to the jaw/skull bones with 4 titanium posts, resulting in a pair of chompers as good or better than the originals. This according to an increasingly popular outfit called Clear Choice. They claim to be able to do the proceduce in one day although I don't doubt the preperatory work required for them to perform the surgery is likely a process of some weeks.
Seems a bit easier and certainly cheaper to keep up with the brushing and get the cavaties filled as soon as they appear. The methamphetamine curse that has ravaged this country certainly isn't helping. peace
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
SundanceKid
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Date: June 29, 2012 19:42
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Naturalust
Sorry Kleermaker, nothing ploitical about my story, just the honest truth from someone who is VERY close to the action. Take is as you want or ignore it but please don't imply I am not telling the truth because you can't check up on my "story".
I heard about MJ inquiring about MT's health in the press and here on this board, so In context is was an honest mistake. I'm still not intirely sure it isn't true, sound like something Jagger is quite capable of doing and considering MT couldn't even pay his utility bills a few years back, $20,000 worth of dental work seems like something he may have needed a bit of help to get going.
If you were in a position to verify your "facts", you wouldn't have come out with those statements. So this in itself demonstrates that you can not be very "close to the action" at all.
In case you were referring to second hand info then you should note, for future reference, that whoever passed it on to you is not a reliable source either. What does the truth have to do with anything you said ?
Here are some cold facts: Taylor didn't hear from MJ during his hospitalisation or while he was recovering. No "get well soon" cards and no telephone calls. MJ has connections that have Taylor's contact details so it would have been possible for him to call or write - if he had wanted to.
Inadvertently you are repeating the same error by basing another claim (regarding the utitily bills) on something that was once printed in a tabloid.
The person that sold the Daily Mail that story obviously needed to make the article as sensational as possible (otherwise it would not have got printed). That is why it was made to sound like Taylor was destitute. In reality the author is the one that was desperate to make some quick cash and did this at the expense of someone that once went to the same school as him.
I'm suprised you could not have worked this out yourself.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-29 19:46 by SundanceKid.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
VT22
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Date: June 29, 2012 20:12
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SundanceKidQuote
Naturalust
Sorry Kleermaker, nothing ploitical about my story, just the honest truth from someone who is VERY close to the action. Take is as you want or ignore it but please don't imply I am not telling the truth because you can't check up on my "story".
I heard about MJ inquiring about MT's health in the press and here on this board, so In context is was an honest mistake. I'm still not intirely sure it isn't true, sound like something Jagger is quite capable of doing and considering MT couldn't even pay his utility bills a few years back, $20,000 worth of dental work seems like something he may have needed a bit of help to get going.
If you were in a position to verify your "facts", you wouldn't have come out with those statements. So this in itself demonstrates that you can not be very "close to the action" at all.
In case you were referring to second hand info then you should note, for future reference, that whoever passed it on to you is not a reliable source either. .
I didn't tell anything significant, nor will I. Just to set that straight.
Namaste.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
Naturalust
()
Date: June 29, 2012 20:36
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SundanceKidQuote
Naturalust
Sorry Kleermaker, nothing ploitical about my story, just the honest truth from someone who is VERY close to the action. Take is as you want or ignore it but please don't imply I am not telling the truth because you can't check up on my "story".
I heard about MJ inquiring about MT's health in the press and here on this board, so In context is was an honest mistake. I'm still not intirely sure it isn't true, sound like something Jagger is quite capable of doing and considering MT couldn't even pay his utility bills a few years back, $20,000 worth of dental work seems like something he may have needed a bit of help to get going.
If you were in a position to verify your "facts", you wouldn't have come out with those statements. So this in itself demonstrates that you can not be very "close to the action" at all.
In case you were referring to second hand info then you should note, for future reference, that whoever passed it on to you is not a reliable source either. What does the truth have to do with anything you said ?
Here are some cold facts: Taylor didn't hear from MJ during his hospitalisation or while he was recovering. No "get well soon" cards and no telephone calls. MJ has connections that have Taylor's contact details so it would have been possible for him to call or write - if he had wanted to.
Inadvertently you are repeating the same error by basing another claim (regarding the utitily bills) on something that was once printed in a tabloid.
The person that sold the Daily Mail that story obviously needed to make the article as sensational as possible (otherwise it would not have got printed). That is why it was made to sound like Taylor was destitute. In reality the author is the one that was desperate to make some quick cash and did this at the expense of someone that once went to the same school as him.
I'm suprised you could not have worked this out yourself.
Again you misunderstand me. The action I am close to involves the health care for the farm workers on MY farm. I think I know a thing or two about it.
As far as Mick Taylor being destitude at one time in the recect past we have lots of sources for that including the man himself. Junkies have a way of letting everything but the dope slide and he is very forthcoming about his time trying to get back on his feet.
I am thrilled to see Mick out perfroming, selling his CD's and contributing to the world of music again, I am a big fan. So don't get your knickers in a tight bundle over this.
I owe nothing to you or anyone else to speak my mind on this board and you don't see me getting nit picky about your sources of information. Unless you have a story to tell I could care less really, sounds to me like you are just as clueless about it all as the rest of us. I doubt Mick talks to many about who contacted him during his recovery. Recovery is a very personal thing. And unless you worked for the Daily Mail or know the author of the article what do you know of it's truth?
But, assuming what you say is true I don't hold any poor feeling toward Mick Jagger for not contacting him. Taylor made that bed through poor choices, its his gig. Furthermore you make it sound like Mick Jagger has some responsibility to make sure his friends and ex-bandmates are doing as well as he is, certainly NOT the case. I'm glad to hear they are still friends and there is a possibility of them playing together in the future, that's good enough for me. peace
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
SundanceKid
()
Date: June 29, 2012 20:43
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Naturalust
I have done some research since I initially posted by the way and complete upper and lower dental implants here in the USA as of today costs about $40,000.
............
Seems a bit easier and certainly cheaper to keep up with the brushing and get the cavaties filled as soon as they appear. The methamphetamine curse that has ravaged this country certainly isn't helping. peace
There have been many developments and innovations in dental implant technology since the technique was first pioneered about 25 years ago. Due to continued advancements, it is now commercially available at a fraction of the costs compared to decades ago - when only a handful of specialists could perform these procedures. As a result prices for implant surgery have steadily gone down.
If you read this interesting article on The Godfather of Soul (The Independent, July 2006), you'll see he was also having elaborate and expensive dental work done. Like Mr Brown said: "A man got hair and teeth, he's got it all".
Unfortunately, JB didn't get the chance to have the implant surgery of the upper jaw completed. When he came in for his appointment on 23 December 2006, his dentist advised him to see a doctor right away because he was looking so ill. He passed away 2 days later.
[www.independent.co.uk]
Even if you brush 2-3 times a day, make regular visits to the dentist and never develop a drug addiction there is no guarantee that you'll be able to keep your original teeth your whole life.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
mickschix
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Date: June 29, 2012 20:49
Thanks for posting that, I enjoyed it a lot. And LEM, I think that you stated that very well regarding the old Keith...he did disappear and I think he morphed into the character that he thought some fans wanted him to be. Keith, the cross between rebel-pirate-elegantly wasted rock star all rolled into one, not caring whose feelings he trampled on. MT doesn't seem to like or admire the " new Keith" at all....neither do many of us.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
SundanceKid
()
Date: June 29, 2012 20:50
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VT22
I didn't tell anything significant, nor will I. Just to set that straight.
Namaste.
I was addressing some of the "points" raised by Naturalust. I didn't take umbrage at anything you said.
Namasté.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
Posted by:
SundanceKid
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Date: June 29, 2012 21:12
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Naturalust
Again you misunderstand me. The action I am close to involves the health care for the farm workers on MY farm. I think I know a thing or two about it.
In your post you stated that you had been speaking the honest truth and in the same post made reference to what you believe to be true about MJ contacting MT while the latter was ill. You also repeated your personal interpretation that MJ picked up MT's dental bill.
If the first claim was based on personal experience, the second thing was something you heard through the grapevine (read in the tabloids), and the third was something you just made up yourself then that was not reflected in what you wrote. You could have pointed out the difference, for the convenience of the reader.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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Date: June 29, 2012 21:33
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I didn't tell anything significant, nor will I. Just to set that straight.
Namaste.
I was addressing some of the "points" raised by Naturalust. I didn't take umbrage at anything you said.
Namasté.
Thought as much.
Namaste.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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Date: June 29, 2012 22:09
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Naturalust
As far as Mick Taylor being destitude at one time in the recect past we have lots of sources for that including the man himself. Junkies have a way of letting everything but the dope slide and he is very forthcoming about his time trying to get back on his feet.
It is very telling that you want to call Taylor a junkie despite the fact that he hasn't used any drugs for decades.
The article I was referring to was published in 2009 but you find it easier to believe the sensationalist claims made therein then to put things in perspective and understand that it was written for quick monetary gain by someone of questionable repute.
Taylor got back on his feet in the late 80s, that's a long time ago now.
You can not show me anything where Taylor describes himself as being destitute in recent years.
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I owe nothing to you or anyone else to speak my mind on this board and you don't see me getting nit picky about your sources of information. Unless you have a story to tell I could care less really, sounds to me like you are just as clueless about it all as the rest of us. I doubt Mick talks to many about who contacted him during his recovery. Recovery is a very personal thing. And unless you worked for the Daily Mail or know the author of the article what do you know of it's truth?
You can speak your mind all you want but you should be careful to make assumptions about others' personal lives, especially when it's pertaining to people you don't even know.
When I mentioned hospitalisation and "while he was recovering" I was talking about a period of convalescence after an illness. It seems you took it to mean something entirely different. Maybe you're stuck in a certain thought pattern.
And since when are only people that work for the Daily Mail deemed reliable ? Quite the opposite is true, actually.
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But, assuming what you say is true I don't hold any poor feeling toward Mick Jagger for not contacting him. Taylor made that bed through poor choices, its his gig. Furthermore you make it sound like Mick Jagger has some responsibility to make sure his friends and ex-bandmates are doing as well as he is, certainly NOT the case. I'm glad to hear they are still friends and there is a possibility of them playing together in the future, that's good enough for me. peace
Now you're really turning things upside down. Were you not the one that initially stated that Jagger had called Taylor, offered to help or something ? I think I'm entitled to correct this assertion, since I have more accurate information at my disposal. Just because I happen to know that Taylor didn't receive such a call, doesn't mean I'm accusing anyone of not doing his duty.
As for Taylor not receiving his fair share of royalties over the records he helped to create, you certainly can't hold Taylor responsible for the injustice done to him by others.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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Date: June 29, 2012 22:58
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Well health care is free to illegal immagrants in the USA too. If fact the Mexican illegals in the farming communities where I live and work have the system so dialed they get better health care than the average American.
In our labor camp (we house some 20+ men) regular visits are made by local dentists who set up chairs in the bunkhouse and treat all of them , for free. My girlfreind actually asked if they could fill one her cavities and they said no because she wasnt a migrant worker.
Not only that they have counselors who come in and educate them about every free service availble and then some. It is rediculous when you consider the state of health care in America. I am happy to have a healthy work force on the farm but if the average American paying good money for poor insurance knew about the state of things there would likely be a revolution. peace
No politics here. We also can't check your story. As for MJ paying for MT's dentist's costs you were wrong, so please not other 'stories'. Thank you. peace
Sorry Kleermaker, nothing ploitical about my story, just the honest truth from someone who is VERY close to the action. Take is as you want or ignore it but please don't imply I am not telling the truth because you can't check up on my "story".
I heard about MJ inquiring about MT's health in the press and here on this board, so In context is was an honest mistake. I'm still not intirely sure it isn't true, sound like something Jagger is quite capable of doing and considering MT couldn't even pay his utility bills a few years back, $20,000 worth of dental work seems like something he may have needed a bit of help to get going.
I have done some research since I initially posted by the way and complete upper and lower dental implants here in the USA as of today costs about $40,000. $20K for the uppers and $20K for the lowers, each attached to the jaw/skull bones with 4 titanium posts, resulting in a pair of chompers as good or better than the originals. This according to an increasingly popular outfit called Clear Choice. They claim to be able to do the proceduce in one day although I don't doubt the preperatory work required for them to perform the surgery is likely a process of some weeks.
Seems a bit easier and certainly cheaper to keep up with the brushing and get the cavaties filled as soon as they appear. The methamphetamine curse that has ravaged this country certainly isn't helping. peace
Since I've just recently had an implant myself, I'll fill you in on the particulars. First, there was the extraction--$500 there. These days, they don't so much pull a tooth as break it up piece by piece with a drill. It's relatively little fuss and only takes about 20 minutes. Then, you have a round of antibiotics and have your sutures removed after 2 weeks. During this time, you can't brush on the side you had the oral surgery, so you are prescribed a special antibiotic mouthwash to rinse with twice a day, called Peridex--one of the drawbacks is that it stains and blackens your teeth with tartar.
After this, you wait at least 3 months for the implant to give your gum and bone that once encased the tooth time to heal. Another $2600 there. It's a funny sensation when they drill into the gum to create the hole for the implant--your whole head vibrates and for a few minutes you feel like an outboard motor, just revving up as you cruise out into the lake. The implant itself is just a screw they insert below gum level and an X-ray shows that it doesn't extend as far down as do the roots of your natural teeth. Then a cap is screwed onto the implant, which will house the metal supports for the eventual crown. The round, metallic cap is visible above the gumline. Usually the implant and cap is a two-part surgical procedure done three months apart--but in my case I was lucky, because the bone casing healed so perfectly well that they were able to do the implant and cap all in one go. Then, another round of antibiotics and another prescription of teeth-blackening mouth rinse and it's back to have the sutures removed.
Another 3 months are required to allow the gums to heal and for the implant to fuse with the bone casing. After this time an X-ray is done, confirming that the patient is good to go for the last stage of the procedure--the fitting and cementing of the crown. For this step, an appointment is made with your regular dentist who takes a dental impression to be sent to the lab that makes the crown--another $3100 there.
Finally, another appointment is made and the dentist unscrews the cap and fits in the metal rods that will support the crown, which is at last cemented on, this restoring one's full bite--a necessary thing, too, because the right lower molar second from the back that I lost takes 80% of one's chewing and grinding stress, which is why it is said that extraction can lead to further extraction.
The periodontist who did my implant is a funny guy--the last thing he said to me as I was leaving his office was "Hey, so long, see you again real soon!" He's a nice guy and all, but I do hope not! I'll sure never miss another cleaning appointment again! I just had the crown cemented on 2 days ago. Works and feels like a real tooth! Whew, he said, wiping his brow with the back of his hand.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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Date: June 29, 2012 23:27
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Since I've just recently had an implant myself, I'll fill you in on the particulars. First, there was the extraction--$500 there....
After this, you wait at least 3 months for the implant to give your gum and bone that once encased the tooth time to heal. Another $2600 there....
For this step, an appointment is made with your regular dentist who takes a dental impression to be sent to the lab that makes the crown--another $3100 there....
Finally, another appointment is made and the dentist unscrews the cap and fits in the metal rods that will support the crown, which is at last cemented on, this restoring one's full bite....
Works and feels like a real tooth! Whew, he said, wiping his brow with the back of his hand.
That was an accurate description of the general procedure followed in dental implantology and you even managed to make it entertaining to read, which is no small achievement.
As a side note: having full dental implants fitted, rathing than getting one element replaced, is usually not quite as enjoyable.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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Date: June 29, 2012 23:41
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Since I've just recently had an implant myself, I'll fill you in on the particulars. First, there was the extraction--$500 there....
After this, you wait at least 3 months for the implant to give your gum and bone that once encased the tooth time to heal. Another $2600 there....
For this step, an appointment is made with your regular dentist who takes a dental impression to be sent to the lab that makes the crown--another $3100 there....
Finally, another appointment is made and the dentist unscrews the cap and fits in the metal rods that will support the crown, which is at last cemented on, this restoring one's full bite....
Works and feels like a real tooth! Whew, he said, wiping his brow with the back of his hand.
That was an accurate description of the general procedure followed in dental implantology and you even managed to make it entertaining to read, which is no small achievement.
As a side note: having full dental implants fitted, rathing than getting one element replaced, is usually not quite as enjoyable.
Wow, I can imagine! At least you'll never have to get another implant done.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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Date: June 29, 2012 23:49
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My bad, but isn't a bit odd to criticize Mick if you can and at the same time ask his attention, even on his FB site?
As far as I know, I have never criticized Mick Taylor in any way
On the contrary, he is one of my favorite guitar players, something you of all people should know very well.
I put the eyeroll-emoticon in my reply to sundancekid (in this thread), since he was speculating in Taylor's dental care costs/Jagger's role in it/royalty claims - something either he or we know nothing about.
Was that what you had in mind?
About asking Taylor's attention, I really don't know what you are talking about. Our band, as well as I personally, like him on Facebook...
EDIT: Yep, I have criticized Taylor - for his rendition of JJF - my bad. However, that really IS a bad version, imo.
"Secret affair"/" a stone's throw " -the album- "should be forbidden by law". I forgot that one, and at the same time ask his attention on his FB page for your band.. A bit contradictory, isn't it? At least I wouldn't have the guts in your case.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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Date: June 29, 2012 23:50
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VT22
Imo you've got some sort of songwriting syndrome. At least that's the undertone when it comes to many discussions about MT (and his songwriting). I think you're not aware of that. Sigh.. just forget it, some things will never change.
Well, to me he hasn´t proven that he is a great song writer, but I won´t go into that again
However, it is true that I tend to like guitar players who participate in writing the songs they play on the most.
But I don´t know why you bring this up now? You know that I love Taylor´s playing, and also that I am deeply influenced by his style.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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Date: June 30, 2012 00:34
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As far as I know, I have never criticized Mick Taylor in any way
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"Secret affair" -the album- "should be forbidden by law". I forgot that one, and at the same time ask his attention on his FB page for your band. A bit contradictory, isn't it? At least I wouldn't have the guts in your case.
That would qualify as criticism, wouldn't it. You can't deny VT22 has a point there, DP.
Fortunately Taylor never released an album by that title, so it will not be necessary to immediately craft new legislation.
What is the name of Dandy's band ? After that bold statement, I would like to see how their music measures up.
Re: Mick Taylor The Times Interview June 26 2012
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Date: June 30, 2012 00:35
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Since I've just recently had an implant myself, I'll fill you in on the particulars. First, there was the extraction--$500 there....
After this, you wait at least 3 months for the implant to give your gum and bone that once encased the tooth time to heal. Another $2600 there....
For this step, an appointment is made with your regular dentist who takes a dental impression to be sent to the lab that makes the crown--another $3100 there....
Finally, another appointment is made and the dentist unscrews the cap and fits in the metal rods that will support the crown, which is at last cemented on, this restoring one's full bite....
Works and feels like a real tooth! Whew, he said, wiping his brow with the back of his hand.
That was an accurate description of the general procedure followed in dental implantology and you even managed to make it entertaining to read, which is no small achievement.
As a side note: having full dental implants fitted, rathing than getting one element replaced, is usually not quite as enjoyable.
Sounds like a real drag to me. The image of the smiling periodontist telling you he's going see you soon is enough to make me slightly ill. Talk about dental records..might as well put a personal id chip in there while they're at it....yikes.
What then is the deal with all these outfits offering 100% replacement of the teeth with full upper and lower implants IN ONE DAY? I have seen plenty of ads in national newspapers for such a quick turnaround. Is this just fancy marketing designed to pull people into a considerably more drawn out process? I can't imagine, but I wouldn't be surprised. peace
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