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Yeah,the only reason I bumped it in the first place was to show the article that said Bruce was the #2 touring act last year. Not bad after 2 straight years of touring,he was still filling up shows and performing great.Quote
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Good Lord after 34 pages of Bruce discussions, it has finally sunk into political mud-slinging?!?!? WTF! I do hope everyone can cease and desist on this point, as I've thoroughly enjoyed reading this post over the last year or so as Bruce toured and was quite excited to see it brought back up again...
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Yeah,the only reason I bumped it in the first place was to show the article that said Bruce was the #2 touring act last year. Not bad after 2 straight years of touring,he was still filling up shows and performing great.
Flogging 30 plus year old albums? Look at the number of people on here who want the Stones to play all of Exile live. Do you think if the Stones decided to flog their 30 yr old plus albums in their entirety,people would object? Problem is the Stones don't have the chops to pull it off like the E Street band does.Quote
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Yeah,the only reason I bumped it in the first place was to show the article that said Bruce was the #2 touring act last year. Not bad after 2 straight years of touring,he was still filling up shows and performing great.
Of course he had to resort to flogging thirty-plus year old albums to fill seats. This after the 'brilliant' "Living On Dream" tanked.
Sprinsteen is a sterling example of a musician whose artistic relevance wanes in direct proportion to their political activism. For further examples see Mellisa Etheridge, Sheryl Crowe, Jackson Brown and John Mellencamp.
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Gazza
New page, Same old bullshit lies that have already been ripped apart countless times in this thread.
28th biggest selling album in the world in 2009, incidentally - in a year in which Michael Jackson's death put HIS sales through the roof. Hardly a 'tanking'.
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New page, Same old bullshit lies that have already been ripped apart countless times in this thread.
28th biggest selling album in the world in 2009, incidentally - in a year in which Michael Jackson's death put HIS sales through the roof. Hardly a 'tanking'.
By the time the tour was in its last three months Comrade Springsteen was PROMOTING the antique albums that would be played in their entirety. This in order to sell tickets while songs from the horrible "Living In A Dream" (by any reasonable estimate) were dropped to more than 2-3 a night, if that. WHY was "LIAD" so god awful and the one before it so marginal? Easy. As his political activism took center stage, his art suffered. THAT is inarguable. Or perhaps you liked "Queen of The Supermarket."
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New page, Same old bullshit lies that have already been ripped apart countless times in this thread.
28th biggest selling album in the world in 2009, incidentally - in a year in which Michael Jackson's death put HIS sales through the roof. Hardly a 'tanking'.
By the time the tour was in its last three months Comrade Springsteen was PROMOTING the antique albums that would be played in their entirety. This in order to sell tickets while songs from the horrible "Living In A Dream" (by any reasonable estimate) were dropped to more than 2-3 a night, if that. WHY was "LIAD" so god awful and the one before it so marginal? Easy. As his political activism took center stage, his art suffered. THAT is inarguable. Or perhaps you liked "Queen of The Supermarket."
You wouldnt know 'art' if it bit you on the ass. Alot of the songs werent really suited to live performance anyway, and whats wrong with playing old albums - even at shows which had already sold out as well as ones that hadnt. So bloody what? How many songs were the Stones playing for ABB on their last tour? I was at a show in Madrid where they didnt play a single one.
Any criticism on the anti-right rantings of 'Comrade' Jagger on two songs on the last Stones album - or was your copy provided by Fox News in a version which had those songs miraculously edited out?
Its been pointed out to you several times on this thread that there was no 'political activism' on the last tour at all. By people who were actually AT the bloody shows and witnessed it instead of relying on tedious bigotted parrots like yourself spouting the same crap and lies ad nauseam.
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Gazza
Its ok. There are songs on the record I like less, actually. 'Surprise Surprise' is shite.
For a guy who cant stand Springsteen you really do have an utter obsession. Your opinion on his music is just that - opinion. It means nothing. Only an idiot would expect anti-commercial moves (or 'vanity projects') like D & D or The Seeger Sessions to be mega-sellers. I doubt he gave a shit from the off. Some of his fans liked 'em, some didn't. Who cares? He's in a position where he doesnt need to whore himself as much as many acts to make himself a lot of money or increase sales. His record deal actually makes allowances for such side projects. Three incredibly diverse albums and tours in the space of three years. That showed an artist still making the effort and not coasting. If the last part of the WOAD tour saw a bit more looking back, I think he earned it.
Any artist, regardless of their leanings, actually deserves a bit of credit IMO for following their muse or speaking out for what they believe in, even if it costs them record sales. What his opinions happen to be (unless they're preaching hate or intolerance) are irrelevant to me, personally. What part of that do YOU have a problem with? Is it lonely on the Toby Keith and Ted Nugent boards today or something?
In your world view, it appears that maximising profits is the be-all and end-all of everything, as you seem to view anyone who earns less than you as a peasant or an inferior human being. Thats your problem, not mine.
BTW, you still havent addressed the hypocrisy of bashing one artist for daring to express an opinion about the country he happens to live in - whilst ignoring the far more strident views expressed in the lyrics of a foreign artist on the policy of the same government.
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Gazza
Its ok. There are songs on the record I like less, actually. 'Surprise Surprise' is shite.
For a guy who cant stand Springsteen you really do have an utter obsession. Your opinion on his music is just that - opinion. It means nothing. Only an idiot would expect anti-commercial moves (or 'vanity projects') like D & D or The Seeger Sessions to be mega-sellers. I doubt he gave a shit from the off. Some of his fans liked 'em, some didn't. Who cares? He's in a position where he doesnt need to whore himself as much as many acts to make himself a lot of money or increase sales. His record deal actually makes allowances for such side projects. Three incredibly diverse albums and tours in the space of three years. That showed an artist still making the effort and not coasting. If the last part of the WOAD tour saw a bit more looking back, I think he earned it.
Any artist, regardless of their leanings, actually deserves a bit of credit IMO for following their muse or speaking out for what they believe in, even if it costs them record sales. What his opinions happen to be (unless they're preaching hate or intolerance) are irrelevant to me, personally. What part of that do YOU have a problem with? Is it lonely on the Toby Keith and Ted Nugent boards today or something?
In your world view, it appears that maximising profits is the be-all and end-all of everything, as you seem to view anyone who earns less than you as a peasant or an inferior human being. Thats your problem, not mine.
BTW, you still havent addressed the hypocrisy of bashing one artist for daring to express an opinion about the country he happens to live in - whilst ignoring the far more strident views expressed in the lyrics of a foreign artist on the policy of the same government.
I don't like WOAD either. God knows I've listened to it enough times (omitting Surprise Surprise), because I didn't care for Magic at first. (That has long since grown on me, to the point where I now prefer it to The Rising)
There is some great stuff on WOAD - Outlaw Pete, the title track, The Last Carnival (and The Wrestler, but that's an add-on) - but Queen of the Supermarket is another atrocity. He must have known the album was a stinker because he barely played any of it on the tour. When he took Magic on the road at least half the album was aired. I think, on average, three or four songs got played on the US leg, and then those dropped to two once he hit Europe.
Have you read Clarence's book, Gazza?
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Gazza
Its ok. There are songs on the record I like less, actually. 'Surprise Surprise' is shite.
For a guy who cant stand Springsteen you really do have an utter obsession. Your opinion on his music is just that - opinion. It means nothing. Only an idiot would expect anti-commercial moves (or 'vanity projects') like D & D or The Seeger Sessions to be mega-sellers. I doubt he gave a shit from the off. Some of his fans liked 'em, some didn't. Who cares? He's in a position where he doesnt need to whore himself as much as many acts to make himself a lot of money or increase sales. His record deal actually makes allowances for such side projects. Three incredibly diverse albums and tours in the space of three years. That showed an artist still making the effort and not coasting. If the last part of the WOAD tour saw a bit more looking back, I think he earned it.
Any artist, regardless of their leanings, actually deserves a bit of credit IMO for following their muse or speaking out for what they believe in, even if it costs them record sales. What his opinions happen to be (unless they're preaching hate or intolerance) are irrelevant to me, personally. What part of that do YOU have a problem with? Is it lonely on the Toby Keith and Ted Nugent boards today or something?
In your world view, it appears that maximising profits is the be-all and end-all of everything, as you seem to view anyone who earns less than you as a peasant or an inferior human being. Thats your problem, not mine.
BTW, you still havent addressed the hypocrisy of bashing one artist for daring to express an opinion about the country he happens to live in - whilst ignoring the far more strident views expressed in the lyrics of a foreign artist on the policy of the same government.
I don't like WOAD either. God knows I've listened to it enough times (omitting Surprise Surprise), because I didn't care for Magic at first. (That has long since grown on me, to the point where I now prefer it to The Rising)
There is some great stuff on WOAD - Outlaw Pete, the title track, The Last Carnival (and The Wrestler, but that's an add-on) - but Queen of the Supermarket is another atrocity. He must have known the album was a stinker because he barely played any of it on the tour. When he took Magic on the road at least half the album was aired. I think, on average, three or four songs got played on the US leg, and then those dropped to two once he hit Europe.
Have you read Clarence's book, Gazza?
if you look he basically played at least every tune from WOAD at least once but yes that album is a stinker and may stop me from buying future springsteen albums
here were the WOAD song stats from the last tour:
WORKING ON A DREAM (2009) (10/13)
Outlaw Pete 72
My Lucky Day 21
Working On A Dream 84
Queen Of The Supermarket 1
What Love Can Do 1
This Life 3
Good Eye 3
Kingdom Of Days 32
Surprise Surprise 7
The Wrestler 21
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Yeah. Got a signed copy. Its a bit lightweight, to be honest, but has its moments.
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Gazza
Its ok. There are songs on the record I like less, actually. 'Surprise Surprise' is shite.
For a guy who cant stand Springsteen you really do have an utter obsession. Your opinion on his music is just that - opinion. It means nothing. Only an idiot would expect anti-commercial moves (or 'vanity projects') like D & D or The Seeger Sessions to be mega-sellers. I doubt he gave a shit from the off. Some of his fans liked 'em, some didn't. Who cares? He's in a position where he doesnt need to whore himself as much as many acts to make himself a lot of money or increase sales. His record deal actually makes allowances for such side projects. Three incredibly diverse albums and tours in the space of three years. That showed an artist still making the effort and not coasting. If the last part of the WOAD tour saw a bit more looking back, I think he earned it.
Any artist, regardless of their leanings, actually deserves a bit of credit IMO for following their muse or speaking out for what they believe in, even if it costs them record sales. What his opinions happen to be (unless they're preaching hate or intolerance) are irrelevant to me, personally. What part of that do YOU have a problem with? Is it lonely on the Toby Keith and Ted Nugent boards today or something?
In your world view, it appears that maximising profits is the be-all and end-all of everything, as you seem to view anyone who earns less than you as a peasant or an inferior human being. Thats your problem, not mine.
BTW, you still havent addressed the hypocrisy of bashing one artist for daring to express an opinion about the country he happens to live in - whilst ignoring the far more strident views expressed in the lyrics of a foreign artist on the policy of the same government.
I don't like WOAD either. God knows I've listened to it enough times (omitting Surprise Surprise), because I didn't care for Magic at first. (That has long since grown on me, to the point where I now prefer it to The Rising)
There is some great stuff on WOAD - Outlaw Pete, the title track, The Last Carnival (and The Wrestler, but that's an add-on) - but Queen of the Supermarket is another atrocity. He must have known the album was a stinker because he barely played any of it on the tour. When he took Magic on the road at least half the album was aired. I think, on average, three or four songs got played on the US leg, and then those dropped to two once he hit Europe.
Have you read Clarence's book, Gazza?
if you look he basically played at least every tune from WOAD at least once but yes that album is a stinker and may stop me from buying future springsteen albums
here were the WOAD song stats from the last tour:
WORKING ON A DREAM (2009) (10/13)
Outlaw Pete 72
My Lucky Day 21
Working On A Dream 84
Queen Of The Supermarket 1
What Love Can Do 1
This Life 3
Good Eye 3
Kingdom Of Days 32
Surprise Surprise 7
The Wrestler 21
Bit of an extreme reaction, Keef - it's only ONE bad album, and his first stinker since Human Touch.
Thanks for the stats though - bears out what I was saying about the album barely getting an airing. Look out how many times he played our 'favourites' - Surprise, Surprise and Queen of Walmart?
I was a bit surprised (surprised) he didn't do Last Carnival.
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Gazza
Its ok. There are songs on the record I like less, actually. 'Surprise Surprise' is shite.
For a guy who cant stand Springsteen you really do have an utter obsession. Your opinion on his music is just that - opinion. It means nothing. Only an idiot would expect anti-commercial moves (or 'vanity projects') like D & D or The Seeger Sessions to be mega-sellers. I doubt he gave a shit from the off. Some of his fans liked 'em, some didn't. Who cares? He's in a position where he doesnt need to whore himself as much as many acts to make himself a lot of money or increase sales. His record deal actually makes allowances for such side projects. Three incredibly diverse albums and tours in the space of three years. That showed an artist still making the effort and not coasting. If the last part of the WOAD tour saw a bit more looking back, I think he earned it.
Any artist, regardless of their leanings, actually deserves a bit of credit IMO for following their muse or speaking out for what they believe in, even if it costs them record sales. What his opinions happen to be (unless they're preaching hate or intolerance) are irrelevant to me, personally. What part of that do YOU have a problem with? Is it lonely on the Toby Keith and Ted Nugent boards today or something?
In your world view, it appears that maximising profits is the be-all and end-all of everything, as you seem to view anyone who earns less than you as a peasant or an inferior human being. Thats your problem, not mine.
BTW, you still havent addressed the hypocrisy of bashing one artist for daring to express an opinion about the country he happens to live in - whilst ignoring the far more strident views expressed in the lyrics of a foreign artist on the policy of the same government.
I don't like WOAD either. God knows I've listened to it enough times (omitting Surprise Surprise), because I didn't care for Magic at first. (That has long since grown on me, to the point where I now prefer it to The Rising)
There is some great stuff on WOAD - Outlaw Pete, the title track, The Last Carnival (and The Wrestler, but that's an add-on) - but Queen of the Supermarket is another atrocity. He must have known the album was a stinker because he barely played any of it on the tour. When he took Magic on the road at least half the album was aired. I think, on average, three or four songs got played on the US leg, and then those dropped to two once he hit Europe.
Have you read Clarence's book, Gazza?
if you look he basically played at least every tune from WOAD at least once but yes that album is a stinker and may stop me from buying future springsteen albums
here were the WOAD song stats from the last tour:
WORKING ON A DREAM (2009) (10/13)
Outlaw Pete 72
My Lucky Day 21
Working On A Dream 84
Queen Of The Supermarket 1
What Love Can Do 1
This Life 3
Good Eye 3
Kingdom Of Days 32
Surprise Surprise 7
The Wrestler 21
Bit of an extreme reaction, Keef - it's only ONE bad album, and his first stinker since Human Touch.
Thanks for the stats though - bears out what I was saying about the album barely getting an airing. Look out how many times he played our 'favourites' - Surprise, Surprise and Queen of Walmart?
I was a bit surprised (surprised) he didn't do Last Carnival.
well i really never like his albums without the e-street band. i bet his next one will be solo so i can almost count on the fact i won't like it that much. he's getting up there in age and he may never make another album with the e-street band. i actually like the lucky town/human touch combo although human touch should have been 10 songs like lucky town and it would have been better.
i too was surprised he didn't play last carnival