lol some tension in the Metropolitan area tonight. Perhaps due to the subway series.

not me I'm a cardinal fan, but i live in jersey, lol



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I'm not Tony but I am a what.

wohooo wohooo skippy

Watch out!

I just got back from my nephew's birthday party at a local roller skating rink. Warren Beatty was there with his daughter. Darn, I forgot to get his take on Stones vs. Zep popularity issue.

"IMO...Zep is a far superior live band."

IMO... not even Robert Plant believes something like that...

Calm down a bit and listen to for example How the West Was Won and the Zeppelin DVD from 2003. When they were "on", they were a very good live act.

HTWWW is overdubbed and edited to buggery.

the amount of studio work done on Zeppelin's live releases make the Stones' live albums sound as raw as The Clash by comparison


www.thegardentapes.co.uk

I read somewhere on the net a review of HTWWW by a guy who had the boots from the two shows the album is taken from. He compared in detail every grunt from Plant and every bum note from Page from the boot to the official album. There was indeed some "polishing work" done but not as much as you might think.

For what it's worth....I rarely buy live releases...I'm big on downloading bootlegs with no edits as well as personal experience seeing a particular band live.
I believe, if you want to compare any act live, whether you like them or not, The Grateful Dead set the bar on how music should be presented to the fans.

Spontaneous and different every time.

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melillo
the police tour is a flop?????based on what?

i saw the police last week and it was great!

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stickydion
"IMO...Zep is a far superior live band."

IMO... not even Robert Plant believes something like that...

I wouldn't go so far as to say Zeppelin is far superior as a live act. They may have been slightly better than The Stones live in their prime but a lot of that is by design imo. The Stones always took a loose approach to playing live. Jagger doesn't care if he gets the verses mixed up. They were never as polished as other bands as far as live performances.

I am anything but a Zep fan. Love a few songs....absolutely hate others and hate Plant's whiny voice on many songs). I would never pay to see them...I'd rather see Page with the Black Crowes....or Plant with Alison Krause.

That being said: it would be a massively popular tour, unlike anything in the past few decades...at least since Steel Wheels for the Stones. They would have ZERO problems selling out places that the Stones or the Who no longer can.

BTW, I saw the Police tour 2 weeks ago. I was not expecting much from them. I was there for the opener, Elvis Costello. But I have to say, the Police put on a great concert. They played a great variety of songs...lots of deeper cuts, and great arrangements....with just 3 guys...no need to add horns, backup singers, or Blondie.

The Stones should tour as a six piece...even though Chuck is now Stew, you still need that piano!

the stones can not tour this way

they need side musicians
you need a lot of sound to play stadiums

you can play with 4 musicians in a stadium too
like u2
but then 70 % of the music is playback or played by a second band behind the stage
like u2 does it

"you can play with 4 musicians in a stadium too
like u2
but then 70 % of the music is playback or played by a second band behind the stage
like u2 does it"
Is this true? Ive never seen them live. So is it true???

yes it is true
I have seen u2 live a few times

the 2nd band is under the stage on the edge's side
there they have a keyboard player and a guitar player

and many parts are playback
most of the edge's pedals are used for playback intros
like until the end of the world
this intro was never played live
or mysterious ways
this song is nearly completely playback


you just need to get an in-ear plug bootleg
they also use a computer voice to tell them when to start a song
and a computer also gives them rythmn

its crazy
totally playback and computer controlled

Shit.I'm not interested at all to attend a U2 show!

u2 shows are not bad
they are fun

but they are just not live

even their greatest hits like streets one or with or without you
are 70% playback

in with or without you even the drums are playback for half the song at live shows

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glimmertwin81
yes it is true
I have seen u2 live a few times

the 2nd band is under the stage on the edge's side
there they have a keyboard player and a guitar player

and many parts are playback
most of the edge's pedals are used for playback intros
like until the end of the world
this intro was never played live
or mysterious ways
this song is nearly completely playback


you just need to get an in-ear plug bootleg
they also use a computer voice to tell them when to start a song
and a computer also gives them rythmn

its crazy
totally playback and computer controlled

And 1962:s post... If ya had seen'em back in 1982, ya'd been viewin' them
differently. Donnow about today, but I assure ya there were nuthin
but naturelle back then.

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glimmertwin81
the stones can not tour this way

they need side musicians
you need a lot of sound to play stadiums

you can play with 4 musicians in a stadium too
like u2
but then 70 % of the music is playback or played by a second band behind the stage
like u2 does it

Yeah, the extra bass player is Colonel Custard in the Conservatory (with the lead piping), on additional drums we've got Lee Harvey Oswald on the grassy knoll and last but not least on rhythm guitar there's Blondie Chaplin skulking about behind the curtains............

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glimmertwin81
yes it is true
I have seen u2 live a few times

the 2nd band is under the stage on the edge's side
there they have a keyboard player and a guitar player

and many parts are playback
most of the edge's pedals are used for playback intros
like until the end of the world
this intro was never played live
or mysterious ways
this song is nearly completely playback


you just need to get an in-ear plug bootleg
they also use a computer voice to tell them when to start a song
and a computer also gives them rythmn

its crazy
totally playback and computer controlled

This is really interesting, I´ve never heard this before!! Where did you hear this?

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glimmertwin81
the stones can not tour this way

they need side musicians
you need a lot of sound to play stadiums

you can play with 4 musicians in a stadium too
like u2
but then 70 % of the music is playback or played by a second band behind the stage
like u2 does it

Yeah, the extra bass player is Colonel Custard in the Conservatory (with the lead piping), on additional drums we've got Lee Harvey Oswald on the grassy knoll and last but not least on rhythm guitar there's Blondie Chaplin skulking about behind the curtains............

lol!!!!

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glimmertwin81
the stones can not tour this way

they need side musicians
you need a lot of sound to play stadiums

you can play with 4 musicians in a stadium too
like u2
but then 70 % of the music is playback or played by a second band behind the stage
like u2 does it

Yeah, the extra bass player is Colonel Custard in the Conservatory (with the lead piping), on additional drums we've got Lee Harvey Oswald on the grassy knoll and last but not least on rhythm guitar there's Blondie Chaplin skulking about behind the curtains............

sorryforgot to mention Lord Lucan and Shergar on backing vocals............

I'm a u2 nutter and this is complete bullshit.

seen them live the first time in 1987, last time in 2005 (their last euro tour).

live, u2 have relied on loops ever since 1984 (unforgettable fire tour)

for their tours until 1990, all loops were controlled on stage by edge, via pedals or keyboards.

from 1992 to 1998, they used a off-stage tech to control the loops. in this era (their electronic era) they used even vocal loops and tapes, and the like. it was done un purpose, it was a deliberate choice.

since 2001, they use a off-stage keyboard player(terry lawless)

on their last tour (2005-2006) they used a minimum electronic embellishment, basically, they have gone back to voice.bass.guitar.drums. the off stage keys were used on, say, 30% of the setlist. check any boot from the vertigo tour.

live, edge continually switches from guitar to piano, and bono plays guitar on a lot of songs.

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glimmertwin81
yes it is true
I have seen u2 live a few times

the 2nd band is under the stage on the edge's side
there they have a keyboard player and a guitar player

and many parts are playback
most of the edge's pedals are used for playback intros
like until the end of the world
this intro was never played live
or mysterious ways
this song is nearly completely playback


you just need to get an in-ear plug bootleg
they also use a computer voice to tell them when to start a song
and a computer also gives them rythmn

its crazy
totally playback and computer controlled

And 1962:s post... If ya had seen'em back in 1982, ya'd been viewin' them
differently. Donnow about today, but I assure ya there were nuthin
but naturelle back then.

right on Baboon. I saw them in 1982 and they cooked!!! just three musicians and Bono, total rock and roll.

The one thing about U2 - they've never denied using technology to enhance the live performance.

Unlike say, I dunno, AEROSMITH.

on mysterious ways they use a congas loop (SFTD, anyone?), and the offstage keys player plays...well...keys.

the rest (bass, guitar, vocals, drums, vox, back vox) are 100% live

the "offstage voice" that you hear on some earplug boots (like toronto may 2001, second night) is just a recorded count-in for some songs, sinchronized with the click track they use on most songs.

have you ever listened to u2 live songs?
4 people cant make such a full sound

they do not deny it
thats true

but it is a fact that a u2 show is pretty playback and puter controlled
playin keys?
most of their songs are based on keyboards not on the edge
steets wowy one bad and so on
all these big hits are carried by keyboards not by guitar
the main work is done by computer and the 2nd band
not by the band on stage

have you seen u2 3d?
80% of it have been shot in an empty stadium
a shame

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Svartmer
There was indeed some "polishing work" done but not as much as you might think.

I think I've read something similar to that statement a while ago too.

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glimmertwin81
all these big hits are carried by keyboards not by guitar.

That kind of reminds me about the Rolling Stones these days....