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Here's the footage from the article Rockman posted. Follow the science indeed. But we're all supposed to rush a vaccine into our bodies when the actual source of the illness has been covered up. [www.youtube.com]
This vaccine technology has been under development for 20 years. Understand the science behind the vaccine. Millions have died from the virus, how many have died from the vaccine? How many lives have been saved from the vaccine?
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Here's the footage from the article Rockman posted. Follow the science indeed. But we're all supposed to rush a vaccine into our bodies when the actual source of the illness has been covered up. [www.youtube.com]
This vaccine technology has been under development for 20 years. Understand the science behind the vaccine. Millions have died from the virus, how many have died from the vaccine? How many lives have been saved from the vaccine?
Will I get this vaccine?: No
Will I have side effects (possibly death) from this vaccine?: NO
Will I get Covid?: Maybe
Will it kill me?: Odds are heavily against it. There are treatments.
I wish everyone who chose to embrace the vaccine a long and happy life, without any unforeseen side effects.
Edit: We've been poorly served, and as this story emphatically demonstrates, lied to throughout this pandemic. There is a very good chance that this virus was created in a lab. The vaccines that have been "under development" weren't intended to fight what might possibly be a bioweapon.
I have seen that video previously. It very coherent and a quick view---15min--- at youtube. An Australian reporter explains how this virus origin as a Wuhan lab leak, is achieving prominence over the long time conventional thinking that Cov-19 came from, bats or pangolins sold at Wuhan wet market.Quote
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Here's the footage from the article Rockman posted. Follow the science indeed. But we're all supposed to rush a vaccine into our bodies when the actual source of the illness has been covered up. [www.youtube.com]
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Here's the footage from the article Rockman posted. Follow the science indeed. But we're all supposed to rush a vaccine into our bodies when the actual source of the illness has been covered up. [www.youtube.com]
This vaccine technology has been under development for 20 years. Understand the science behind the vaccine. Millions have died from the virus, how many have died from the vaccine? How many lives have been saved from the vaccine?
Will I get this vaccine?: No
Will I have side effects (possibly death) from this vaccine?: NO
Will I get Covid?: Maybe
Will it kill me?: Odds are heavily against it. There are treatments.
I wish everyone who chose to embrace the vaccine a long and happy life, without any unforeseen side effects.
Edit: We've been poorly served, and as this story emphatically demonstrates, lied to throughout this pandemic. There is a very good chance that this virus was created in a lab. The vaccines that have been "under development" weren't intended to fight what might possibly be a bioweapon.
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Here's the footage from the article Rockman posted. Follow the science indeed. But we're all supposed to rush a vaccine into our bodies when the actual source of the illness has been covered up. [www.youtube.com]
This vaccine technology has been under development for 20 years. Understand the science behind the vaccine. Millions have died from the virus, how many have died from the vaccine? How many lives have been saved from the vaccine?
Will I get this vaccine?: No
Will I have side effects (possibly death) from this vaccine?: NO
Will I get Covid?: Maybe
Will it kill me?: Odds are heavily against it. There are treatments.
I wish everyone who chose to embrace the vaccine a long and happy life, without any unforeseen side effects.
Edit: We've been poorly served, and as this story emphatically demonstrates, lied to throughout this pandemic. There is a very good chance that this virus was created in a lab. The vaccines that have been "under development" weren't intended to fight what might possibly be a bioweapon.
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Strange days.............
Anti-vaxxers are weaponizing Yelp to punish bars that require vaccine proof
Negative spam reviews are destroying bars and restaurants as they attempt to re-open safely.
by Tanya Basu, June 12, 2021
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On the first hot weekend of the summer, Richard Knapp put up a sign outside Mother’s Ruin, a bar tucked in Manhattan’s SoHo neighborhood.
It had two arrows: one pointing vaccinated people indoors, another pointing unvaccinated people outdoors.
The Instagram post showing the sign (above) quickly went viral among European anti-vaxxers on Reddit. “We started receiving hate mail through the Google portal,” Knapp says, estimating he’d received about a “few dozen” emails: “I’ve been called a Nazi and a communist in the same sentence. People hope that our bar burns down. It’s a name and shame campaign.” It wasn’t just the emails. Soon, his bar started receiving multiple one-star reviews on Yelp and Google Reviews from accounts as far away as Europe.
Spamming review portals with negative ratings is not a new phenomenon. Throughout the pandemic, the tactic has also been deployed to attack bars and restaurants that enforced mask-wearing for safety. As pandemic restrictions have lifted, businesses like Mother’s Ruin have sought to ensure that safety by requiring proof of vaccination using state-sponsored apps like New York’s Excelsior Pass, vaccine passports, or simply flashing vaccine cards at the door — practices that have instigated a second surge of spam reviews. These spam one-star reviews can be extremely damaging. The default mode for viewing reviews is in chronological order, from newest to oldest, which means a spam attack places fake reviews up top, making the most recent reviews that much more influential if you’re the victim of a concerted campaign. While some companies have gotten around this issue on their own sites by verifying that reviewers are actual customers by reaching out to them via email and matching them with what they have on file, industry-leading platforms like Yelp and Google let anyone to rate and review a business.
In April, Marshall Smith instituted what may have been the US’s first policy requiring patrons to prove they were fully vaccinated against coronavirus at Bar Max in Denver. He didn’t think it would be a big deal to ask customers to show their vaccination cards at the door. “I didn’t consider the politics, and perhaps that was naive on my part,” he says. Within days, his bar was slammed with one-star reviews on Google that took his average rating from 4.6 out of 5 stars to 4. “We were in the top 10 best reviewed craft cocktail bars in Denver [pre-pandemic],” he says. “It might not sound significant but if you drop out of the first page of results, it’s a big deal: you’re out of top 10 lists, listicle mentions. We don’t do a lot of advertising because people look at our reviews. We’ve built six years of good reviews that’s been chiseled away over a matter of months.” These reviews don’t stay permanently in a business’s history. Yelp roots out spam, though the company “does not tell anybody [how its spam detection works]” says Bing Liu, a professor of computer science at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Liu was a co-author in 2013 of a paper that attempted to replicate Yelp’s methods, finding that that company most likely used keywords to root out possible spammers.
Smith’s Yelp reviews were shut down after the sudden flurry of activity on its page, which the company labels “unusual activity alerts,” a stopgap measure for both the business and Yelp to filter through a flood of reviews and pick out which are spam and which aren’t. Noorie Malik, Yelp’s vice president of user operations, said Yelp has a “team of moderators” that investigate pages that get an unusual amount of traffic. “After we’ve seen activity dramatically decrease or stop, we will then clean up the page so that only firsthand consumer experiences are reflected,” she said in a statement. It’s a practice that Yelp has had to deploy more often over the course of the pandemic: According to Yelp's 2020 Trust & Safety Report, the company saw a 206% increase over 2019 levels in unusual activity alerts. “Since January 2021, we’ve placed more than 15 unusual activity alerts on business pages related to a business’s stance on covid-19 vaccinations,” said Malik. The majority of those cases have been since May, like the gay bar C.C. Attles in Seattle, which got an alert from Yelp after it made patrons show proof of vaccination at the door. Earlier this month, Moe’s Cantina in Chicago’s River North neighborhood got spammed after it attempted to isolate vaccinated customers from unvaccinated ones.
Spamming a business with one-star reviews is not a new tactic. In fact, perhaps the best-known case is Colorado’s Masterpiece bakery, which won a 2018 Supreme Court battle for refusing to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple, after which it got pummeled by one-star reviews. “People are still writing fake reviews. People will always write fake reviews,” Liu says. But he adds that today’s online audience know that platforms use algorithms to detect and flag problematic words, so bad actors can mask their grievances by blaming poor restaurant service like a more typical negative review to ensure the rating stays up — and counts. That seems to have been the case with Knapp’s bar. His Yelp review included comments like “There was hair in my food” or alleged cockroach sightings. “Really ridiculous, fantastic shit,” Knapp says. “If you looked at previous reviews, you would understand immediately that this doesn’t make sense.” Liu also says there is a limit to how much Yelp can improve their spam detection, since natural language — or the way we speak, read, and write — “is very tough for computer systems to detect.” But Liu doesn’t think putting a human being in charge of figuring out which reviews are spam or not will solve the problem. “Human beings can’t do it,” he says. “Some people might get it right, some people might get it wrong. I have fake reviews on my webpage and even I can’t tell which are real or not.”
You might notice that I’ve only mentioned Yelp reviews thus far, despite the fact that Google reviews — which appear in the business description box on the right side of the Google search results page under “reviews” — is arguably more influential. That’s because Google’s review operations are, frankly, even more mysterious. While businesses I spoke to said Yelp worked with them on identifying spam reviews, none of them had any luck with contacting Google’s team. “You would think Google would say, ‘Something is @#$%& up here,’” Knapp says. “These are IP addresses from overseas. It really undermines the review platform when things like this are allowed to happen.” Google did not respond to multiple requests for comment; however, within a few hours of our call, Knapp said some problematic reviews on Google had cleared up for him. Smith said he had not yet gotten any response from Google about reviews, save for automated responses saying that multiple reviews he had flagged did not qualify getting taken down because “the reviews in question don't fall under any of the violation categories, according to our policies.”
Spam reviews aren’t going anywhere and will continue to be a problem for years to come. And the fact remains that online communities — like the European anti-vaxxers that descended upon Mother’s Ruin’s reviews — can destroy faraway livelihoods with the click of a star rating. Those ratings haunt business owners like Smith. “I still have folks putting one-star reviews on our Google listing,” he says. “Outliers pull down averages, that’s math. It’s a pretty effective means of attack for the folks who do this.” Knapp feels equally frustrated and helpless. “We’re just trying to survive through the most traumatic experience that’s ever hit the hospitality industry,” he says. “The idea that we are under attack by this community and there is no real vehicle to combat it, that’s frustrating.”
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Here's the footage from the article Rockman posted. Follow the science indeed. But we're all supposed to rush a vaccine into our bodies when the actual source of the illness has been covered up. [www.youtube.com]
This vaccine technology has been under development for 20 years. Understand the science behind the vaccine. Millions have died from the virus, how many have died from the vaccine? How many lives have been saved from the vaccine?
Will I get this vaccine?: No
Will I have side effects (possibly death) from this vaccine?: NO
Will I get Covid?: Maybe
Will it kill me?: Odds are heavily against it. There are treatments.
I wish everyone who chose to embrace the vaccine a long and happy life, without any unforeseen side effects.
Edit: We've been poorly served, and as this story emphatically demonstrates, lied to throughout this pandemic. There is a very good chance that this virus was created in a lab. The vaccines that have been "under development" weren't intended to fight what might possibly be a bioweapon.
Agree with you on all points except the one I highlighted. Personally, I do not trust the vax. Example: a friend of my wife, 32 years old, excellent health, runs marathons, took the first of two about two weeks ago. 2 hours later she was in the hospital near death. As of today she can still barely move, nearly paralyzed.
I ain't taking sh*t.
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The figures are worse than that if I understand correctly.
According to VAERS(the primary government-funded system for reporting adverse vaccine reactions in the US), COVID vaccines are resulting in .0016% mortality rate (within 48 hours of receiving the vaccine). I think serious injuries about 4 to 5 times the mortality rate but I would need to check.
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I’ve got a ticket to the England v Scotland football game at Wembley this Friday 18th June.I didn’t realise when I bought it that the date clashes with my wedding that was postponed due to Covid-19.
If anyone is interested in taking my place please let me know.
It’s at Westminster registry office at 4pm her name is Kate and she’s a great cook.
Cheers
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What I meant was that, since I *won't* be getting this crap, I won't have any side effects. "Trust the science" my a$$. People keep bringing up other vaccines, e.g. smallpox. The only difference is smallpox was most definitely NOT created in a lab, whereas the probability that Covid was is very possible. The anger and the pushback among the anointed gives me pause. You see, once it's in you, it's a done deal. Again, all the best to your wife's friend. She "trusted the science" and look where it got her.
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Agree with you on all points except the one I highlighted. Personally, I do not trust the vax. Example: a friend of my wife, 32 years old, excellent health, runs marathons, took the first of two about two weeks ago. 2 hours later she was in the hospital near death. As of today she can still barely move, nearly paralyzed.
I ain't taking sh*t.
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Agree with you on all points except the one I highlighted. Personally, I do not trust the vax. Example: a friend of my wife, 32 years old, excellent health, runs marathons, took the first of two about two weeks ago. 2 hours later she was in the hospital near death. As of today she can still barely move, nearly paralyzed.
I ain't taking sh*t.
Yup, even if your story is accurate, this wouldn't be new info or data.
Most likely scenario, she was already sick/infected when she got her first shot.
There are other scenarios, but it being caused from the jab is waaaay down the likeliness scale. Hope she recovers and instead of using the "story" to reinforce the anti-vax stance, it is a strong argument to vax up sooner. Lots of people still dying from this, it's in all the papers.
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Agree with you on all points except the one I highlighted. Personally, I do not trust the vax. Example: a friend of my wife, 32 years old, excellent health, runs marathons, took the first of two about two weeks ago. 2 hours later she was in the hospital near death. As of today she can still barely move, nearly paralyzed.
I ain't taking sh*t.
Yup, even if your story is accurate, this wouldn't be new info or data.
Most likely scenario, she was already sick/infected when she got her first shot.
There are other scenarios, but it being caused from the jab is waaaay down the likeliness scale. Hope she recovers and instead of using the "story" to reinforce the anti-vax stance, it is a strong argument to vax up sooner. Lots of people still dying from this, it's in all the papers.
If this story was true the CDC would be all over it. On the other hand all these stories are coming from the anti vaxxer spoons on forehead crowd. I know personally of one person who got pretty sick but he also was on a ventilator from Covid and has had long haul Covid. That correlates with what MisterDDDD says. His side effects while severe were still minimal compared to his actual Covid infection.
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Agree with you on all points except the one I highlighted. Personally, I do not trust the vax. Example: a friend of my wife, 32 years old, excellent health, runs marathons, took the first of two about two weeks ago. 2 hours later she was in the hospital near death. As of today she can still barely move, nearly paralyzed.
I ain't taking sh*t.
Yup, even if your story is accurate, this wouldn't be new info or data.
Most likely scenario, she was already sick/infected when she got her first shot.
There are other scenarios, but it being caused from the jab is waaaay down the likeliness scale. Hope she recovers and instead of using the "story" to reinforce the anti-vax stance, it is a strong argument to vax up sooner. Lots of people still dying from this, it's in all the papers.
If this story was true the CDC would be all over it. On the other hand all these stories are coming from the anti vaxxer spoons on forehead crowd. I know personally of one person who got pretty sick but he also was on a ventilator from Covid and has had long haul Covid. That correlates with what MisterDDDD says. His side effects while severe were still minimal compared to his actual Covid infection.
CDC has nothing to do with it. She's in Vietnam. And no, she has/had no underlying conditions, etc. You can't blame it all on 'being sick' blah blah blah.
I'm not an antivaxer or whatever; it's a personal choice. If and when it's proven to be safe, give me a call.
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The figures are worse than that if I understand correctly.
According to VAERS(the primary government-funded system for reporting adverse vaccine reactions in the US), COVID vaccines are resulting in .0016% mortality rate (within 48 hours of receiving the vaccine). I think serious injuries about 4 to 5 times the mortality rate but I would need to check.
VAERS information, which is nothing more than a kind of wikipedia - it's not reliable - is sporadically wrong, or fake news, manipulated by ignorant people that never grew up, to help the Karens of the world push their anti-science fake drama.
Quoting VAERS for information is no different than saying the ridiculous percentage about not dying from COVID-19. Leaving out life debilitating issues and deaths from long term side effects of having had COVID-19 is just another fake argument, the "I have home owners insurance, I'll let the tree destroy my house" mentality.
I hear people insisting that China is controlling their weather and that the US is using HAARP to make hurricanes.
Anyone can make up chemical identifiers and say how someone replaced ABC spike proteins with 123 imitation spike proteins and therefor it was created in a lab. People will believe anything, especially if they saw it on FB or watched a video on YT.
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Here's the footage from the article Rockman posted. Follow the science indeed. But we're all supposed to rush a vaccine into our bodies when the actual source of the illness has been covered up. [www.youtube.com]
This vaccine technology has been under development for 20 years. Understand the science behind the vaccine. Millions have died from the virus, how many have died from the vaccine? How many lives have been saved from the vaccine?
Will I get this vaccine?: No
Will I have side effects (possibly death) from this vaccine?: NO
Will I get Covid?: Maybe
Will it kill me?: Odds are heavily against it. There are treatments.
I wish everyone who chose to embrace the vaccine a long and happy life, without any unforeseen side effects.
Edit: We've been poorly served, and as this story emphatically demonstrates, lied to throughout this pandemic. There is a very good chance that this virus was created in a lab. The vaccines that have been "under development" weren't intended to fight what might possibly be a bioweapon.
Agree with you on all points except the one I highlighted. Personally, I do not trust the vax. Example: a friend of my wife, 32 years old, excellent health, runs marathons, took the first of two about two weeks ago. 2 hours later she was in the hospital near death. As of today she can still barely move, nearly paralyzed.
I ain't taking sh*t.
Sorry to hear about your wife's friend. Hopefully she has a full recovery. What I meant was that, since I *won't* be getting this crap, I won't have any side effects. "Trust the science" my a$$. People keep bringing up other vaccines, e.g. smallpox. The only difference is smallpox was most definitely NOT created in a lab, whereas the probability that Covid was is very possible. The anger and the pushback among the anointed gives me pause. You see, once it's in you, it's a done deal. Again, all the best to your wife's friend. She "trusted the science" and look where it got her.
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The figures are worse than that if I understand correctly.
According to VAERS(the primary government-funded system for reporting adverse vaccine reactions in the US), COVID vaccines are resulting in .0016% mortality rate (within 48 hours of receiving the vaccine). I think serious injuries about 4 to 5 times the mortality rate but I would need to check.
VAERS information, which is nothing more than a kind of wikipedia - it's not reliable - is sporadically wrong, or fake news, manipulated by ignorant people that never grew up, to help the Karens of the world push their anti-science fake drama.
Quoting VAERS for information is no different than saying the ridiculous percentage about not dying from COVID-19. Leaving out life debilitating issues and deaths from long term side effects of having had COVID-19 is just another fake argument, the "I have home owners insurance, I'll let the tree destroy my house" mentality.
I hear people insisting that China is controlling their weather and that the US is using HAARP to make hurricanes.
Anyone can make up chemical identifiers and say how someone replaced ABC spike proteins with 123 imitation spike proteins and therefor it was created in a lab. People will believe anything, especially if they saw it on FB or watched a video on YT.
So can you say what you believe the numbers to be with a source?