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IrisC
Goats Head Soup is a very good record. What's wrong with Heartbreaker? Winter? Coming down again? Angie? Silver Train? I listen to this record often. Just my opinion.
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I think the first one was a director at the record company who thought the album was so bad they shouldn't release it. As I remember this was the last album to close a record deal. Those albums tends to made in a hurry. (About DW)
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I'm a little surprised a lot of folks rate Silver Train so low as if it's not the good one. To me, that's what they do. That's it; I don't have to see the cute jump suit and eye shadow to let it rock my world; but just as a song as a sound; i could just listen to it all day long. I don't even care what the f he's talking about. It sounds right to me. "...ding dong...oh yeah..."
Now there's bang for the buck. They don't change a chord for the first minute. Why bother it's already there. The bell's rung. When they finally do go for a couple of quick changes, it's immediatley back to the first, which now feels like a chorus & everythings up a notch and nothing's changed. Don't change it on my account. I'm fine with it right there. They're generous with that short bridge; just icing on a completed cake. one line repeated twice and it's like the best bridge in rock history and the only one necessary haha. If it was on Exile on the 4th side it'd just be cruel; it would be too good to release. There'd be health warnings and all kinds of extra promo costs for stickers...some of the same fans who slag it would be praising it? If they were smart they'd cut a 12 inch single and make it three times as long! There's a few lurkers here and there during those years of releases that still are definitional stunners for me.
(ty Rocky tough but tender i always suspected you... )
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GasLightStreet
The Stones didn't reconvene in Jamaica because they had never convened there before.
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I think the first one was a director at the record company who thought the album was so bad they shouldn't release it. As I remember this was the last album to close a record deal. Those albums tends to made in a hurry. (About DW)
DW was the first one of the new deal with CBS and some people at the record company was not very happy with the album because it was not a REAL Rolling Stones album (too many guests, the rhythm section missing, full band on only 3 songs) and Mick was not interested at all.
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IrisC
Goats Head Soup is a very good record. What's wrong with Heartbreaker? Winter? Coming down again? Angie? Silver Train? I listen to this record often. Just my opinion.
The article we're discussing claims that GHS was a letdown, coming after an EXCELLENT album (Exile).
I agree about GHS being a very good album, but the the question is whether it was a letdown after Exile or not.
I was two years old at the time, so I wouldn't know how it was perceived back then - apart from what I've read. But by comparing the albums I'd say that Exile is in a different league.
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Witness
.... gave up the thought of one best Stones album and indicated that there are approximately 12 great Rolling Stones albums, without internal ranking....
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GasLightStreet
The Stones didn't reconvene in Jamaica because they had never convened there before.
Pedantically, I think you'll find, if you don't believe me and want check elsewhere that the Stones did reconvene, the matter of where they reconvened was/is a secondary issue......
They were apart, they came back together, they reconvened, they could have done that anywhere including Jamaica.
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GasLightStreet
The Stones didn't reconvene in Jamaica because they had never convened there before.
Pedantically, I think you'll find, if you don't believe me and want check elsewhere that the Stones did reconvene, the matter of where they reconvened was/is a secondary issue......
They were apart, they came back together, they reconvened, they could have done that anywhere including Jamaica.
Factually, they did not reconvene in Jamaica.
Convene: verb: convene; 3rd person present: convenes; past tense: convened; past participle: convened; gerund or present participle: convening
come or bring together for a meeting or activity; assemble.
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lem motlow
a beautiful album-what many people fail to realize is goats head is one of those albums that seperate the stones from everyone else.
instead of making 10 remakes of exile and going back to the same well over and over with diminishing returns,the stones do a 180 degree turn and make something completely unique.
it's easy to bash angie as a pop song or whatever without having been there and hearing it for the first time and seeing it for what it was. a new classic stones song and knowing they were going back to work in the vain of blue turns to grey,as tears go by and others from earlier in their career.the entire album is just fantastic from coming down again,to 100 years ago to silver train and on and on..
it should've been named pearls before swine.
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GasLightStreet
The Stones didn't reconvene in Jamaica because they had never convened there before.
Pedantically, I think you'll find, if you don't believe me and want check elsewhere that the Stones did reconvene, the matter of where they reconvened was/is a secondary issue......
They were apart, they came back together, they reconvened, they could have done that anywhere including Jamaica.
Factually, they did not reconvene in Jamaica.
Convene: verb: convene; 3rd person present: convenes; past tense: convened; past participle: convened; gerund or present participle: convening
come or bring together for a meeting or activity; assemble.
Oh god........they reconvened (got back together) - in Jamaica - it's simple .. - I knew I shouldn't have bothered - my bad.............
They could have been in Jamaica prior to them going their seperate ways before reconvening there but it's not necessary, they could have been in Tokyo, gone their seperate ways and then, reconvened (come or bring together for a meeting or activity - sic or re-assembled ) in Jamaica............
The 're' applies to the act of assembling, not the place of assemblage...........
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Rokyfan
Eddie is right. After the 72 tour they reconvened in JA. Whether or not any of them had even been there before has nothing to do with the word reconvened.
You could say they "reconvened in JA once again" . . . that would mean that they had convened in JA before.
By the way, great thread. I remember waiting for the SmithHaven Mall on LI to open so we could run to Sam Goody's or whatever it was and buy the new LP GHS. It was not really viewed as a letdown by fans then, although Dandy is obviously correct that Exile is a masterpiece so, in that sense, it is, even though I still think there is a lot of great music on it.
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HMS
Buying an album on release day may be different from buying it years later and therefor seeing it "from a distance". Still I think most people who bought Exile in 72 and GHS in 73 would think of GHS as a different and not as good album as Exile was.
Btw, I bought GHS prior to Exile in the early 80s. I bought it together with IORR and Black And Blue. After listening to all three albums for several times I thought (and still do think) that Black And Blue was the best of those three albums, followed by IORR. GHS I´ve found always boring and lame, except three songs there´s nothing on the album that gets me excited.
Yes, GHS may present the Stones at that point of time and reflects the mood they were in back then. But I´m very lucky that they got out of that corner soon. I prefer my Stones rough, GHS is too mellow.